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post #5881 of 5890 Old 07-30-2015, 09:17 AM
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DTV America has applications to broadcast from Downtown Cleveland from 2 Channels
W21DI Digital Application was filed on 7/22/15 http://transition.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/tvq?call=W21DI
WEKA Digital Application was filed on 7/27/15 http://transition.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/tvq?call=WEKA
DTV America claims, as its official address, a suite in Sunrise, Florida; the address is actually a private mailbox at a UPS Store.[6] As of 2015[update], the chief executive officer is John Kyle II.[7] He and fellow DTV America executive Bert Garriga also run DTVCast, a company that provides Internet bandwidth over digital television broadcasting signals.[8][9]

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WRAP now has a application to broadcast at 15 kw instead of 8.7 kw,
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DTV America has applications to broadcast from Downtown Cleveland from 2 Channels
W21DI Digital Application was filed on 7/22/15 http://transition.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/tvq?call=W21DI
WEKA Digital Application was filed on 7/27/15 http://transition.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/tvq?call=WEKA
What's the purpose of having a repeater in the downtown Cleveland area when their 15 kW signal covers that area nicely? Just look at how much of that signal is wasted over the lake, no nulls. Right now, I'm guessing that if they have to abandon RF 32, they can sign on a signal to cover the greater Cleveland area to either one of those channels, whichever one gets approved. The other two locations are completely pointless and would not improve viewership unless good programming/networks are being broadcast.

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I have an idea… WRAP could add another application to their long list of application/construction permits/licenses, and apply to put it in Bismarck’s backyard. Then they could make it a repeater for WOIO!! Whatever coverage WRAP ends up with, I hope it stays far away from here!! We certainly don’t need another channel clogger in Akron. We already have plenty of channels and even duplicate channels… i.e. Western Reserve PBS on 45 and 50, and WOIO on RF 10 and 24.

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What's the purpose of having a repeater in the downtown Cleveland area when their 15 kW signal covers that area nicely? Just look at how much of that signal is wasted over the lake, no nulls. Right now, I'm guessing that if they have to abandon RF 32, they can sign on a signal to cover the greater Cleveland area to either one of those channels, whichever one gets approved. The other two locations are completely pointless and would not improve viewership unless good programming/networks are being broadcast.
D.T.V. LLC which owns WRAP and DTV America are two different companies
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I guess I had both of those companies confused then. I got the impression from your original post that the new stations were under the same ownership as WRAP. My bad...

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That's what I thought... 27 & 21 are redundant (why both downtown?) & 32 is seperate.

Andrew, I'm in the fringes with questionable coverage (like 16), so likely will not affect me, asIde no WBNS on the rare occasion it would come in.
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I have an idea… WRAP could add another application to their long list of application/construction permits/licenses, and apply to put it in Bismarck’s backyard. Then they could make it a repeater for WOIO!! Whatever coverage WRAP ends up with, I hope it stays far away from here!! We certainly don’t need another channel clogger in Akron. We already have plenty of channels and even duplicate channels… i.e. Western Reserve PBS on 45 and 50, and WOIO on RF 10 and 24.
10 is just fair in much of Summit County for most of us, and 45 only comes in when atmospheric conditions are right.

Or would you rather have religious satellite fed stations on 24 and 50?

They won't be empty, until such time as spectrum buyers take over.
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10 is just fair in much of Summit County for most of us, and 45 only comes in when atmospheric conditions are right.

Or would you rather have religious satellite fed stations on 24 and 50?

They won't be empty, until such time as spectrum buyers take over.
I'd rather 24 and 50 be empty. I'm sure if they left, I'd pick up WJET, WSFJ, WATM, WPTA, WQLN, WPXD, WPCB, and WDTN with tropo. Those are all on 24 and 50, and they're all close enough to pick up. These channels are all crammed in like sardines in a can. Just recently when WDLI went off the air for a couple days, I noticed something else was there on RF 49 coming from the east and the south. But I didn't have enough time to get a decode on it before the WDLI blowtorch came back on.

Oh, and I forgot that I can receive both 16 and 29 here too. Those are duplicate channel cloggers.

45 comes in here 24/7, with a high signal on the XG91. Even WIVM 39 is in here 24/7. I just have to aim the antenna that way.

By the way, I kept the autologger on last night, and it got brief decodes of WWHO 46 and WOSU 38. And just this afternoon, it decoded KDKA 25. That's what's so cool about the autologger... I don't have to sit and monitor the channels, the autologger does it for me. And it can even detect the channels that only pop up briefly, and it logs them on the map. Here is what I've got in just the past few days since I got it... http://www.rabbitears.info/tvdx/one_...038781D/tuner0
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I'd rather 24 and 50 be empty. I'm sure if they left, I'd pick up WJET, WSFJ, WATM, WPTA, WQLN, WPXD, WPCB, and WDTN with tropo. Those are all on 24 and 50, and they're all close enough to pick up.
You missed my point. 24 and 50 won't ever be empty here (for a long period of time) again.

If WOIO-LD and WEAO decided tomorrow to shut off their transmitters for good, yeah, you would enjoy that distant reception...for a year or two, until whoever decided to file to replace them got up and running.

Then, the spectrum speculators (some who will operate low-cost networks until the auction) will file in, and you won't get long distance OTA with your high powered antenna then, either. Unless you can pick up cellular phone signals, you'll get nothing on RF 24 or RF 50 from anywhere in Akron.

Speaking of OTA, Michael Dell's OTA Broadcasting (one of the biggest speculators) would love Cleveland market signals...even 16/29. He bought that Pittsburgh LPTV network, right?

And WOIO and WEAO aren't giving up 24 and 50 any time soon.
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You missed my point. 24 and 50 won't ever be empty here (for a long period of time) again.

If WOIO-LD and WEAO decided tomorrow to shut off their transmitters for good, yeah, you would enjoy that distant reception...for a year or two, until whoever decided to file to replace them got up and running.

Then, the spectrum speculators (some who will operate low-cost networks until the auction) will file in, and you won't get long distance OTA with your high powered antenna then, either. Unless you can pick up cellular phone signals, you'll get nothing on RF 24 or RF 50 from anywhere in Akron.

Speaking of OTA, Michael Dell's OTA Broadcasting (one of the biggest speculators) would love Cleveland market signals...even 16/29. He bought that Pittsburgh LPTV network, right?

And WOIO and WEAO aren't giving up 24 and 50 any time soon.

I gotcha... and perhaps that's DTV America's plan. They want to license a bunch of low power DTVs and then cash in during the spectrum auction. They couldn't care less about what programming is on these low power stations. They're just in it for the cash. In fact, I noticed that DTV America is already licensed on a couple of the low powereds, but they're obviously not broadcasting. But even if they do use these stations, I'm willing to bet that there is still room to shoehorn some more in. It's not like they would even need 24 and 50. What about 22, 33, 38, 40, 44, 46, 48, and 51 just to name a few vacant channels.
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