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post #8821 of 9675 Old 04-28-2017, 06:44 PM
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Noticed last night that WUAB 43.3 is back to 16:9. Any guesses as to why?
I just noticed that the green tint has also returned!!! Must have happened after the change.

Guess it's 5.2 from now on for Grit, but they too have some picture issues. (Positioning/sizing). If 43.3 changes their programming to something else, I'll send them an email.

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The problem with 43.3, of course, is that WUAB goes away with the repack...and there is no guarantee what subs Raycom will put/be able to squeeze on WOIO.

Or for that matter, if they will keep RF 24 down this way...
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2HD + 2SD should be easily doable (with decent quality) with the latest encoders. WQHS has been doing this for a couple years, and from what I've read, there are better encoders available now than what Univision uses.

The question is whether Raycom will spend the money.

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The question is whether Raycom will spend the money.
And THAT is the $64,000 question (or whatever the new encoders cost). We are talking about Raycom here...
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I just got back from Myrtle Beach, and I totaled up the DTV DX I received while there for a week, and here it is...

7/7 WSVN Miami, FL @ 537 miles
7/8 WFLA Tampa, FL @ 448 miles
8/8 WGSC-CD Murrells Inlet, SC (Local)
9/23 WHMC Conway, SC (Local)
10/10 WPLG Miami, FL @ 537 miles
10/10 WTSP St. Petersburg, FL @ 449 miles
11/11 WGSI-CD Murrells Inlet, SC (Local)
12/5 WPTV West Palm Beach, FL @ 494 miles
12/13 WTVT Tampa, FL @ 449 miles
13/13 WBTW Florence, SC (Local)
13/12 WPEC West Palm Beach, FL @ 494 miles
13/3 WEDU Tampa, FL @ 448 miles
14/14 WDYB-CD Daytona Beach, FL @ 352 miles
15/20 WBBH Fort Myers, FL @ 502 miles
16/15 WPDE Florence, SC (Local)
16/25 WPBF Tequesta, FL @ 460 miles
17/18 WKCF Clermont, FL @ 373 miles
17/19 WLTX Columbia, SC @ 110 miles
18/43 WFXB Myrtle Beach, SC (Local)
18/2 WPBT Miami, FL @ 537 miles
19/47 WJAX Jacksonville, FL @ 280 miles
19/39 WSFL Miami, FL @ 537 miles
19/32 WMOR Lakeland, FL @ 449 miles
20/9 WFTV-LD Daytona Beach @ 355 miles
20/17 WLRN Miami, FL @ 535 miles
21/21 WWMB Florence, SC (Local)
22/35 WOFL Orlando, FL @ 372 miles
22/4 WFOR Miami, FL @ 537 miles
23/24 WUCF Orlando, FL @ 372 miles
24/24 WTAT Charleston, SC (Local)
25/48 WJGV-CD Palatka, FL @ 326 miles
25/57 WBWP-LD West Palm Beach, FL @ 478 miles
25/62 WVEA Venice, FL @ 449 miles
26/6 WKMG Orlando, FL @ 371 miles
27/27 WRDQ Orlando, FL @ 373 miles
27/42 WXEL West Palm Beach, FL @ 495 miles
28/22 WQXT-CD St. Augustine, FL @ 297 miles
28/50 WDTO-LD Orlando, FL @ 373 miles
28/29 WFLX West Palm Beach, FL @ 495 miles
28/30 WTAM-LD Tampa, FL @ 449 miles
28/27 WRJA Sumter, SC @ 79 miles
29/31 WMVJ-CD Melbourne, FL @ 401 miles
29/28 WFTS Tampa, FL @ 448 miles
29/39 WUNJ Wilmington, NC @ 60 miles
30/26 WSFX Wilmington, NC (Local)
30/68 WEFS Cocoa, FL @ 371 miles
30/51 WSCV Fort Lauderdale, FL @ 535 miles
31/54 WFXG Augusta, GA @ 170 miles
31/6 WTVJ Miami, FL @ 537 miles
31/44 W31DC Fort Pierce, FL @ 431 miles
31/51 WOGX Ocala, FL @ 358 miles
31/31 WUNU Lumberton, NC @ 79 miles
32/32 WMBF Myrtle Beach, SC (Local)
33/15 WDSC New Smyrna Beach, FL @ 371 miles
33/33 WUJF-LD Jacksonville, FL @ 280 miles
34/4 WGWG Charleston, SC (Local)
35/29 WRCF-CD Orlando, FL @ 377 miles
35/35 WPXM Miami, FL @ 535 miles
36/36 WCIV Charleston, SC (Local)
36/67 WPXP Lake Worth, FL @ 494 miles
38/21 WTCE Fort Pierce, FL @ 464 miles
38/38 WHDO-CD Orlando, FL @ 393 miles
38/35 WSPF-CD St. Petersburg, FL @ 449 miles
38/40 WUVC Fayetteville, NC @ 128 miles
39/9 WFTV Orlando, FL @ 373 miles
39/29 WTMV-LD Wilmington, NC @ 78 miles
39/63 WKTC Sumter, SC @ 110 miles
40/55 WACX Leesburg, FL @ 373 miles
40/63 WBEC Boca Raton, FL @ 535 miles
41/65 WRBW Orlando, FL @ 371 miles
42/4 WJXT Jacksonville, FL @ 280 miles
42/9 WHDT Stuart, FL @ 495 miles
42/66 WXPX Bradenton, FL @ 449 miles
43/43 WOTF Melbourne, FL @ 373 miles
43/43 WTCN-CA Palm Beach, FL @ 464 miles
44/6 WECT Wilmington, NC (Local)
45/10 WSWF-LD Orlando, FL @ 377 miles
45/33 WJPM Florence, SC @ 64 miles
46/3 WWAY Wilmington, NC (Local)
46/45 WTGL Leesburg, FL @ 373 miles
47/5 WCSC Charleston, SC (Local)
48/56 WOPX Melbourne, FL @ 406 miles
48/57 WACH Columbia, SC @ 110 miles
49/26 WVEN Daytona Beach, FL @ 357 miles
49/61 WFGC Palm Beach, FL @ 482 miles
50/2 WCBD Charleston, SC (Local)
51/52 WHLV Cocoa, FL @ 373 miles

This was the most intense tropo I've ever seen, but it was all coastal tropo. It was really amazing to see. I attached a photo of the 4-bay antenna I was using and the tropo map.
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That makes sense. Also would explain why they haven't shut down 43.3.

At least Bismarck will be able to get MeTV until they pull the plug on 43 a few months from now.
Then they should do that right now. (& I promise not to complain about the green tint)

I accidentally did a complete re-scan, so 19 is gone for good.
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I just got back from Myrtle Beach, and I totaled up the DTV DX I received while there for a week, and here it is...

7/7 WSVN Miami, FL @ 537 miles
7/8 WFLA Tampa, FL @ 448 miles
8/8 WGSC-CD Murrells Inlet, SC (Local)
9/23 WHMC Conway, SC (Local)
10/10 WPLG Miami, FL @ 537 miles
10/10 WTSP St. Petersburg, FL @ 449 miles

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Snip...

.....we get the point The sunny South is also a tropo haven along the coast (as I'm also familiar with), so what kind of antenna was that & you had the ability to pick up High VHF with it?


Vacatchie?? whats that??
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.....we get the point The sunny South is also a tropo haven along the coast (as I'm also familiar with), so what kind of antenna was that & you had the ability to pick up High VHF with it?


Vacatchie?? whats that??
It's just a standard 4-bay antenna, nothing fancy. It's not really designed for high-VHF, but it's capable of receiving some of it when the signals are strong enough. I was using an FM trap (if you look closely) before the preamp. That probably helped. Don't buy a placticy, China-made antenna that supposedly defies the laws of physics. A good 'ole yagi or bowtie antenna will work fine.
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It's just a standard 4-bay antenna, nothing fancy. It's not really designed for high-VHF, but it's capable of receiving some of it when the signals are strong enough. I was using an FM trap (if you look closely) before the preamp. That probably helped. Don't buy a placticy, China-made antenna that supposedly defies the laws of physics. A good 'ole yagi or bowtie antenna will work fine.
I thought all that is made in China now? Looks small enough to maneuver in the attic.

I note you did not log WIS out Columbia on 10... should had been easy prey for you there.

Don't the hotels provide Cable there? My brother had a similar place on the ocean near Miami (6th floor), yet I didn't think to jerryrig anything up on his balcony at the time which faced north.

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I thought all that is made in China now? Looks small enough to maneuver in the attic.

I note you did not log WIS out Columbia on 10... should had been easy prey for you there.

Don't the hotels provide Cable there? My brother had a similar place on the ocean near Miami (6th floor), yet I didn't think to jerryrig anything up on his balcony at the time which faced north.
I probably could've logged WIS 10 if I had a balcony facing inland and not the oceanfront. Building material blocks signal, which is reason why you need to get your antenna out of the attic and on the roof. The only reason I managed to log a few other Columbia UHFs is because I went outside the room with a 3.5" portable TV and Mohu Leaf, and got solid signals from Columbia once I was on the other side of the building.

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I thought all that is made in China now? Looks small enough to maneuver in the attic.

I note you did not log WIS out Columbia on 10... should had been easy prey for you there.

Don't the hotels provide Cable there? My brother had a similar place on the ocean near Miami (6th floor), yet I didn't think to jerryrig anything up on his balcony at the time which faced north.
When DXing is your hobby you don't watch cable!
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When DXing is your hobby you don't watch cable!

In the case of my Brother's place I was dumbfounded by the cable hookup (or rather getting it back to the way it was) , the thought crossed my mind to see what he would get with bunny ears.
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2HD + 2SD should be easily doable (with decent quality) with the latest encoders. WQHS has been doing this for a couple years, and from what I've read, there are better encoders available now than what Univision uses.

The question is whether Raycom will spend the money.
It was mentioned on the Detroit thread that WADL will be adding a .5 and .6 sub this noon. Their .1 is in 1080i while the rest are in 480i. Either WADL has a very good encoder, or they don't care about picture quality. Still, Raycom needs to buy up-to date encoders, and I believe they will if they want to maintain the picture quality for football broadcasts. It's still uncertain if they will keep all of their SD subchannels, but it's safe to say that 43.3 will be gone in the future.

Also wondering when WJW is going to add more subs. Perhaps that won't happen until after Tribune gets bought. (They still have ancient encoders).

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It was mentioned on the Detroit thread that WADL will be adding a .5 and .6 sub this noon. Their .1 is in 1080i while the rest are in 480i. Either WADL has a very good encoder, or they don't care about picture quality. Still, Raycom needs to buy up-to date encoders, and I believe they will if they want to maintain the picture quality for football broadcasts. It's still uncertain if they will keep all of their SD subchannels, but it's safe to say that 43.3 will be gone in the future.

Also wondering when WJW is going to add more subs. Perhaps that won't happen until after Tribune gets bought. (They still have ancient encoders).
Wasn't WADL the first station to sell out for the repack?
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Still, Raycom needs to buy up-to date encoders, and I believe they will if they want to maintain the picture quality for football broadcasts. It's still uncertain if they will keep all of their SD subchannels, but it's safe to say that 43.3 will be gone in the future.
They are going to need to update their encoders anyway eventually for ATSC3, and I understand the newest ATSC1 encoders have an ATSC3 upgrade path.

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Also wondering when WJW is going to add more subs. Perhaps that won't happen until after Tribune gets bought. (They still have ancient encoders).
At least WJW appears to be using a variable rate encoder (at least the rate on Antenna TV recordings appears to vary from under 1Mbps to over 3 when played in VLC). WOIO/WUAB still have fixed-rates with rock-solid 15 for CBS19, 12 for WUAB, and 3 for the SD subs. They have probably been using the same encoder for 15+ years since they started broadcasting digitally.
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Wasn't WADL the first station to sell out for the repack?
Nothing in Detroit was bought. Not even any Class A's.
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Anyone having problems receiving WUAB? The signal is bouncing all over the place, likely due to mutipath, but I haven't had this issue for a while. (Every time I've checked, the signal has been stable).

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Don't worry, it will be a non-issue once Raycom shuts down the power hungry transmitter on 28

Those "annoying" green screens may also become a thing of the past as well
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55.3 has been really dropping out a lot the last two days for me.
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Just 55.3? Seems to be coming in fine for me. How often does it happen?

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Just 55.3? Seems to be coming in fine for me. How often does it happen?
Not very often. It seemed to settle down last evening. The signal strength was around 76 consistently but my set doesn't see quick drops.
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Not very often. It seemed to settle down last evening. The signal strength was around 76 consistently but my set doesn't see quick drops.
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Sounds like what I was experiencing with WUAB. I normally get 9/10 bars on my Samsung, but it would sit at 8/10 for some time then jump to 10/10 for ~15 seconds and then down to 7/10 for ~15 seconds, sometimes dropping instantly to 0 and back to where it was. At first these frequent jumps were indicating multi-path, but then the signal stabilized after that post. It wasn't windy at that time, so I'm not sure if the wet weather had anything to do with it. Right now I'm getting a stable 9/10-10/10 bars (29-30 dB) with an occasional 8/10 bars (28 dB).

I checked WBNX after reading your post last night. I was getting the usual 31 dB SNR with no fluctuation.

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I temporarily moved the CS-4 Antenna left of the 'West Window'.

Signal remains the same for WGGN when it's in front of the opened window.

Signal Levels in the 80s and a few peaking at 90.

Might just setup the antenna at this spot. (I'll hafta to move some boxes.)





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I temporarily moved the CS-4 Antenna left of the 'West Window'.

Signal remains the same for WGGN when it's in front of the opened window.

Signal Levels in the 80s and a few peaking at 90.

Might just setup the antenna at this spot. (I'll hafta to move some boxes.)
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I have problems with LTE interference on UHF channels 40-43. It modulates the noise floor and causes breakups. That should all change with the repack.
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I have problems with LTE interference on UHF channels 40-43. It modulates the noise floor and causes breakups. That should all change with the repack.
Channel Master makes a nice LTE filter. I got it really cheap. Once I installed it, the signals on the LTE channels 57-61 disappeared completely. It's a very strong filter, and helps eliminate that noise you're referring to. I had the same problem on channels 38-45.

https://www.solidsignal.com/m/product.aspx?p=cm-3201

By the way, Cuban analog low-VHFs were appearing this morning on every channel 2-6. The e-skip season is beginning.
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Channel Master makes a nice LTE filter. I got it really cheap. Once I installed it, the signals on the LTE channels 57-61 disappeared completely. It's a very strong filter, and helps eliminate that noise you're referring to. I had the same problem on channels 38-45.

https://www.solidsignal.com/m/product.aspx?p=cm-3201

By the way, Cuban analog low-VHFs were appearing this morning on every channel 2-6. The e-skip season is beginning.
There's another LTE in-line filter on the market that goes for about $8, branded as Mercury. I'm using a short piece of 300 ohm balanced lead at the feed point with 3 foil capacitive shunts. I'm able to get enough of a dip at the fundamental to eliminate most of the interference. Have to use the spectrum analyzer to tweak it. Will be interesting to see what the band looks like after T-Mobile lights up its new 600 MHz allocation.
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There's another LTE in-line filter on the market that goes for about $8, branded as Mercury. I'm using a short piece of 300 ohm balanced lead at the feed point with 3 foil capacitive shunts. I'm able to get enough of a dip at the fundamental to eliminate most of the interference. Have to use the spectrum analyzer to tweak it. Will be interesting to see what the band looks like after T-Mobile lights up its new 600 MHz allocation.
If all you have to worry about is LTE interference, then you're doing well. I've invested a lot of cash in attenuating my local UHF blowtorches WVPX, WDLI, WEAO, and WOIO's Akron repeater. I'll be glad when WDLI goes away. The filters I use to attenuate these are very useful. The LTE filter helps a bit, but only when I aim south. I've gained quite a few weak channels by using the filters... WYTV, WYFX-LD, WIVM-LD, and WOUC.
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If all you have to worry about is LTE interference, then you're doing well. I've invested a lot of cash in attenuating my local UHF blowtorches WVPX, WDLI, WEAO, and WOIO's Akron repeater. I'll be glad when WDLI goes away. The filters I use to attenuate these are very useful. The LTE filter helps a bit, but only when I aim south. I've gained quite a few weak channels by using the filters... WYTV, WYFX-LD, WIVM-LD, and WOUC.
Closest broadcasters I have are WIVM-LD and WHBC-FM.
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Sinclair's purchase of Tribune (including WJW) is official. Expected to close by the end of the year:

http://deadline.com/2017/05/sinclair...ne-1202086662/
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Sinclair Broadcast Group is poised to become the nation’s most powerful local TV broadcaster with its announcement this morning of an agreement to buy Tribune Media for $3.9 billion in cash and stock, plus the assumption of $2.7 billion in debt.
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