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With the UHF selloff, no other place for them to go now.

I suppose Canada could re-shuffle some of their stations to get CFPL off of 10, but don't expect that to ever happen.
I don't, unless in the future there were issues affecting Akron after the repack, now that the translator is likely gone. I have yet to decode CFPL here, but as we see it's easily decodable at times in Akron, Ohio.


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There is no requirement for an LP to cover its city of license. Therefore, WEKA's owner was able to move it to a more populous market are, something that company (DTV America) has done numerous times with numerous LP licenses. They have an LP station about 15 miles from me (southest of St Louis) that is licensed to Springfield Il, about 140 miles away.
I found it strange that KVNV in Ely NV is in the SLC UT DMA.. got to be at least 200 miles.

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I'd suggest that you call or send an email to the programming department at WOIO. Otherwise, the official announcement will be when WOIO slaps a full screen message on 19.2 stating that their contract with MeTV has ended or when WUAB mystically appears in it's place.

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Good luck with that, but is 43 going to be 43.1 or 19.2? That will be a likely non-issue so I don't know why I'm asking, but just curious.

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Interesting that you could decode something over WQHS, it is a blowtorch here.

Something was interfering with WBNX yesterday, it was freezing/pixelating badly. Must have been some RF30 tropo.
There was a lot going on with the DX this weekend. On Saturday morning, there was some extreme tropo. And all day Sunday, there was really good e-skip on low-VHF TV and FM. I was hearing Halifax Nova Scotia, Havana, Tampa, Miami, Dallas, and New Orleans on FM. TV-wise there were a bunch of Canadian and Cuban analogs, and a handful of domestic DTVs (Nebraska, South Dakota, Kansas, and Maine).

WLFM-LP 6 was wiped out. KBSD 6/6 out of Ensign Kansas decoded and an analog on channel 6 out of Nova Scotia, likely CJCH in Caledonia.
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As far as the whole WOIO dropping Me-TV rumors, it is all speculation at this moment as there has been no official announcements yet.

Besides, I personally don't see WOIO dropping Me-TV. If one were to watch the station, they would see quite a few local ads (some of which were done SPECIFICALLY for the Me-TV audience). If a station is pulling in a good amount of local ad revenue, it is less likely to be terminated or taken off the air.
Official announcement? Stations rarely let their viewers know about a change in their subchannels ahead of time. Usually it's the people who have ties to the station or do some digging on the internet that know about an upcoming change, like OhioMediaWatch. (Wish they were still around). If you want to know the future of MeTV before anyone else, I'd suggest that you call or send an email to the programming department at WOIO. Otherwise, the official announcement will be when WOIO slaps a full screen message on 19.2 stating that their contract with MeTV has ended or when WUAB mystically appears in it's place.

Some of those local ads are produced at WOIO and are exclusive to their station. (not talking about their news promos). The rest will likely follow the network over to whatever station it may move to, even though some of them don't advertise for local businesses. And yes, if local advertisers continue to buy ad time on a sub-channel, it is less likely to be dropped by the station. However, I'm somewhat convinced that WOIO wants to get rid of MeTV because it's "too hard" for them to maintain it. They still can't get the automation timed correctly and they've been running into issues with the feed breaking up. On the other hand, even with the latest encoders, they would likely want to broadcast WOIO and WUAB together with as little MPEG artifacting as possible, so dumping the diginets would help improve the bandwidth. They may add more subchannels once ATSC 3.0 is adopted.
I can say with certainty that MeTV has contacted at least one other station in the market about carriage. They may have just been looking for a backup or they may already know for sure that the WOIO deal is ending.
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One SD sub would eat up little bandwidth compared to 2 HD streams, assuming they update their encoders. And a statmux encoder can always be set up to prioritize 19.1 so it always gets the required bitrate (at the expense of the other subs).

They may still drop MeTV, but I doubt this is the reason.

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On the other hand, even with the latest encoders, they would likely want to broadcast WOIO and WUAB together with as little MPEG artifacting as possible, so dumping the diginets would help improve the bandwidth. They may add more subchannels once ATSC 3.0 is adopted.
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Hopefully not WEAK/WQDI.

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Hopefully not WEAK/WQDI.

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I can say with certainty that MeTV has contacted at least one other station in the market about carriage.
WQDI needs a channel on 20.7 (just joking). My guess is MeTV has talked with WKYC or WBNX. The rumors are WQDI will add Telemundo and possibly Blues Television Network. Things can always change with DTV America.
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WQDI needs a channel on 20.7 (just joking). My guess is MeTV has talked with WKYC or WBNX. The rumors are WQDI will add Telemundo and possibly Blues Television Network. Things can always change with DTV America.
Are WEAK & WQDI back on the air?

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One SD sub would eat up little bandwidth compared to 2 HD streams, assuming they update their encoders. And a statmux encoder can always be set up to prioritize 19.1 so it always gets the required bitrate (at the expense of the other subs).

They may still drop MeTV, but I doubt this is the reason.
Take a look at WKTV's Wikipedia page. Assuming that it's correct and up-to-date, it carries one 1080i channel, two 720p channels & one 480i channel. It also states that their 720p channels (CBS & CW) were upgraded from 480i last May, which would likely be the result of newer, more efficient encoders.

You're right. Raycom is just being cheap.

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Are WEAK & WQDI back on the air?
There was a WEAK signal there overnight on both of them just barely making it out of the red at times on the Zenith box but not decodable (at least out here).
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Is 43.1 going to retain it's 43.1 identity on RF 10.... or is that even possible?

Yeah, that's a little premature to call, & knowing Raycom being as cheap as they are I would assume not, which would bring up the other question would it just be absorbed into WOIO, become WOIO DT2, it really wouldn't have to retain a separate license I would think being piggybacked with WOIO. (Much like the concept with WVIZ's subs)
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RabbitEars confirms this. 3 HD streams and 1 SD.

http://www.rabbitears.info/market.ph...&callsign=wktv

Not to mention WUAB's typical programming of sitcoms, court shows, and infomercials would eat up relatively little bandwidth much of the time on a modern encoder even in HD.

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Take a look at WKTV's Wikipedia page. Assuming that it's correct and up-to-date, it carries one 1080i channel, two 720p channels & one 480i channel. It also states that their 720p channels (CBS & CW) were upgraded from 480i last May, which would likely be the result of newer, more efficient encoders.

You're right. Raycom is just being cheap.
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Yeah, WEKA and WQDI are back on for now.....
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Yes, both stations still have separate licenses even though they will share a single transmitter.

I would assume once they pull the plug on 43's transmitter they will set their PSIP to have WUAB as 43.1 and Bounce as 43.2 for branding purposes. They may have them as 19.2 and 19.3 before that for testing purposes.

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Is 43.1 going to retain it's 43.1 identity on RF 10.... or is that even possible?

Yeah, that's a little premature to call, & knowing Raycom being as cheap as they are I would assume not, which would bring up the other question would it just be absorbed into WOIO, become WOIO DT2, it really wouldn't have to retain a separate license I would think being piggybacked with WOIO. (Much like the concept with WVIZ's subs)
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Is 43.1 going to retain it's 43.1 identity on RF 10.... or is that even possible?
Yes, it is possible.

And yes, there are stations out there running 3x HD. At the NAB Show this year, Harmonic had a demo of 4x HD on a single channel, but the guy admitted to me that they carefully selected the content for it and it probably wouldn't look good as a general case. 3x HD he said he would stand by.

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So can we assume the new WUAB will still ID as Lorain/Cleveland or will they be Shaker Heights/Cleveland?
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Yes, it is possible.

And yes, there are stations out there running 3x HD. At the NAB Show this year, Harmonic had a demo of 4x HD on a single channel, but the guy admitted to me that they carefully selected the content for it and it probably wouldn't look good as a general case. 3x HD he said he would stand by.

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In any case, it's still a huge improvement from when 2 HD channels would really take a toll on the PQ. Not to mention at a time when stations only put out one SD sub in order to avoid degradation of their main HD channel. Of course, there weren't that many diginets back then as there are now. Look back here several years ago when this thread was new, and someone complained that WKYC's weather radar was eating eating away at their main channel, referring to it as NBC Weather Minus.

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So can we assume the new WUAB will still ID as Lorain/Cleveland or will they be Shaker Heights/Cleveland?
That's what it sounds like, so after re scanning it should appear transparent to the end user... meaning Bounce can still id on 43.2.

That will be in many of your cases, where WUAB on RF 28 provides me with a reliable signal (even on an indoor loop), RF 10 with my Attic Yagi will be a no show for the most part.

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Yes, it is possible.

And yes, there are stations out there running 3x HD. At the NAB Show this year, Harmonic had a demo of 4x HD on a single channel, but the guy admitted to me that they carefully selected the content for it and it probably wouldn't look good as a general case. 3x HD he said he would stand by.

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We are referring to ATSC 1.0 here, & on our existing tuners?
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We are referring to ATSC 1.0 here, & on our existing tuners?
Yep.

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The former WKYC transmitter on DT 2 (now being used by WLBZ in Bangor Maine) appeared twice here in Akron this weak. Yesterday it showed up with my VHF antenna aimed in the opposite direction.
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It's been pretty quiet here lately. Where is everybody?
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It's been pretty quiet here lately. Where is everybody?
Not much going on now I guess.

Here's WEAO's application to move to RF24. So far that's two stations (WEAO and WQHS). I think the deadline for filing is next week for stations changing channels.

https://enterpriseefiling.fcc.gov/da...20e26&goBack=N
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Not much going on now I guess.

Here's WEAO's application to move to RF24. So far that's two stations (WEAO and WQHS). I think the deadline for filing is next week for stations changing channels.

https://enterpriseefiling.fcc.gov/da...20e26&goBack=N
Not much here. I was going ask if there were any updates with WOIO/WUAB & if any of the displaced low powers have found a new channel to move to.

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WDLI went off the air this morning around 10:30. I happened to notice it was gone, so I rotated my antenna around to see if anything else could be received, and I logged WPTG-CD in Pittsburgh and WNWO in Toledo. WDLI returned after being off for about 20 minutes. WDLI is really shoehorned between quite a few other DT 49’s. I also tried aiming for the DT 49 in Parkersburg, but by then, WDLI had returned. The repack will only make close spacing worse. I’m only 0.9 miles from the WDLI tower.
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As far as I know (Trip can correct me), no station has been paid yet. So WUAB's RF28 might last into 2018. That's fine with me, maybe MeTV won't be dropped in 3 weeks.

No channel sharing applications (for this area) yet. Still don't know the fate of WDLI and WRLM (do they go away, channel share with someone, or apply for a LP station when that window opens).

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Not that probably anyone here can receive them, but here is WOHZ-CD's move to RF20.

https://enterpriseefiling.fcc.gov/da...52e0f&goBack=N

That leaves WKYC, WBNX, WVIZ, W16DO, WVPX, and WGGN to go.
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WFMJ's Form 399 (reimbursement for repacking expense).

Requesting $2.6M for their move to RF33. So far, no Cleveland station has applied for reimbursement.

https://enterpriseefiling.fcc.gov/fo...51731&goBack=N
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As far as I know (Trip can correct me), no station has been paid yet.
That's correct. And I suspect most of the channel shares will not be filed until after the stations are paid.

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I disagree. I've been looking at it and as a general matter, the repack improves interference conditions overall. There are definitely cases where it gets worse, but I don't think that's the general case.

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Not much going on now I guess.

Here's WEAO's application to move to RF24. So far that's two stations (WEAO and WQHS). I think the deadline for filing is next week for stations changing channels.

https://enterpriseefiling.fcc.gov/da...20e26&goBack=N
So is WOIO losing it's Akron repeater altogether?

They are going to need it since they are stuck on RF 10 (unless CFPL moves which is not likely).
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So is WOIO losing it's Akron repeater altogether?

They are going to need it since they are stuck on RF 10 (unless CFPL moves which is not likely).
That would be a question to ask WOIO.

If they are able to find a new channel for their repeater, the result maybe a smaller, directional coverage area from another location, perhaps in between Akron & Canton.

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They will have to move in about 2 years when WEAO moves down the dial.

It's possible the repeater could go away if they can't find another channel, or if Raycom doesn't want to spend the money to move it (LP stations and translators are not compensated by the government for their moves like full-power and Class A stations are).

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So is WOIO losing it's Akron repeater altogether?

They are going to need it since they are stuck on RF 10 (unless CFPL moves which is not likely).

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