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[quote=Michael P 2341;18549019]If it's analog on ch 11 it can only be LPTV or Canadian CHCH. As posted above WAKN-LP is only broadcasting a green screen. CHCH OTOH would be showing programming.

I've come to the conclusion that what I've been noticing on Ch 11 with very poor video/audio is CHCH, not WAKN-LP, since I was seeing programming.
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WKBN & WYTV are scheduled to start broadcasting their news in HD soon. It was supposed to happen on April 19th, but for some reason didn't occur.
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Did anyone before June 2009 got Ch. 11 & 13 from Toledo from Cleveland??
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Must be temporary as I just checked and it's still transmitting 480i.

I could be mistaken and saw the "HD" logo on the screen and Univision is in HD, but the station may not be broadcasting in HD yet. It didn't occur to me to check, I forgot about the World Cup being on that station.
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Did anyone before June 2009 got Ch. 11 & 13 from Toledo from Cleveland??

I was able to during the evening near Doylestown, tho it was rather snowy.
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Article at CNN Money:
One in eight to cut cable and satellite TV in 2010
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Article at CNN Money:
One in eight to cut cable and satellite TV in 2010


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Can someone explain why WKYC is showing the Indians game (a very early and completely meaningless game)... making WKYC preempt the NHL playoffs, especially when the Indians game is being shown on STO at the same time?!
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Can someone explain why WKYC is showing the Indians game (a very early and completely meaningless game)... making WKYC preempt the NHL playoffs, especially when the Indians game is being shown on STO at the same time?!

Because WKYC are f*cking morons. That's how you know it's almost summer, when WKYC starts interrupting (much better) NBC programming to show a mediocre baseball team's games. WKYC pisses me off every year since they always don't show part of Action Sports, usually the Sunday block.

I'm realyl surprised they didn't show hockey playoffs, especially since hockey is a much bigger television sport than skateboarding and bmx.

This is when I really miss analog TV. I used to be able to get WFMJ.
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Can someone explain why WKYC is showing the Indians game (a very early and completely meaningless game)... making WKYC preempt the NHL playoffs, especially when the Indians game is being shown on STO at the same time?!

Because WKYC's deal calls for 20 Indians games a year, many on weekend afternoons, and this is one of them?

Because the NHL has limited popularity in NE Ohio, with no franchise here?



And yes, STO does simulcast the WKYC games, and I don't know why.

Anyway, as long as WKYC has those 20 games, they will have to pre-empt SOMETHING to show them.
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It's no surprise WKYC does it every spring.
After all we did get to see the last 6 minutes of the game.
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Because WKYC's deal calls for 20 Indians games a year, many on weekend afternoons, and this is one of them?

I can't wait until that deal ends. That's why we have WUAB Let the Indians go there.

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Because the NHL has limited popularity in NE Ohio, with no franchise here?

I don't know about the rest of NE Ohio, but I know I'd rather watch hockey.
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Can someone explain why WKYC is showing the Indians game (a very early and completely meaningless game)... making WKYC preempt the NHL playoffs, especially when the Indians game is being shown on STO at the same time?!

The main reason WKYC does this is that the local teams are always going to draw better ratings in the local community.

However, I can remember that in the first year of WKYC's contract with the Indians they pre-empted a NASCAR race to show the Indians. The station had the riot act read to them by Northeastern Ohio sports fans. WKYC vowed never to pre-empt a race again (they even shifted a game to STO that year to avoid another conflict). NBC subsequently lost the NASCAR contract the next year so WKYC did not have to worry about it.

The only way that hockey fans are going to get the games on WKYC is to stand up and let the station know about it. If hockey fans don't stand up, then the station will have no way of knowing that they are offending them.

Just remember nickdawg's old saying. . .WKY-See the Stupidity.
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I can't wait until that deal ends. That's why we have WUAB Let the Indians go there.

Not gonna happen. Remember that the headquarters for STO is in the WKYC building. In addition, WKYC is giving the Indians technical assistance on the operation of STO.

WUAB was good for the Indians back in the day when less people had cable and DBS satellite did not exist. Plus they did not have network problems when it came to pre-emptions. They don't have that problem now come to think about it, and they lose their only good program come late September when Friday Night Smackdown! moves over to cable.
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I can't wait until that deal ends. That's why we have WUAB Let the Indians go there.

I liked that setup better, the ability to show more games without major interuption... thats why we had the indys, to show more local flair programming & syndicated programs. With Cable these indys no longer can run profitably,

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I don't know about the rest of NE Ohio, but I know I'd rather watch hockey.

I'll pass, Hockey aliniated itself from this area years ago... but I think I'd choose it over golf!
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Did anyone before June 2009 got Ch. 11 & 13 from Toledo from Cleveland??

As far as I am that still would be my secondary market (due to anyone frpm the south nulling out my way), though mostly during the summer & not all that often to be reliable.
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I get the skip once in a great while on 11 & 13 from Toledo. But I do get the Daystrom 47.1 on 7.1 but when I scan I don't get 7.1. What's the deal on that?
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The main reason WKYC does this is that the local teams are always going to draw better ratings in the local community.

Yeah, though Pittsburgh isn't too foreign.

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The only way that hockey fans are going to get the games on WKYC is to stand up and let the station know about it. If hockey fans don't stand up, then the station will have no way of knowing that they are offending them.

Yeah, but what threat am I going to make? "If you don't show the national television feed" I'll watch some other channel?

I missed a really good game too. I know hockey isn't too popular... it is hardly on to begin with. But when NBC is going to show a playoff game, can't WKYC wait for another game to air or could they broadcast the Indians game on 3-2?
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That is absolutely brilliant!
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I missed a really good game too. I know hockey isn't too popular... it is hardly on to begin with. But when NBC is going to show a playoff game, can't WKYC wait for another game to air or could they broadcast the Indians game on 3-2?

That would make sense, but won't work for 2 reasons... it would prempt WxNow. plus most cable subscribers don't get 3-2 (or any of the subs)... would be just plain unfair to them.

Then again they do get STO, huh?
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I get the skip once in a great while on 11 & 13 from Toledo. But I do get the Daystrom 47.1 on 7.1 but when I scan I don't get 7.1. What's the deal on that?
JJK

Isn't 7.1 the Low power WCDN on 53.1?? oh my how confusing this gets!
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Not sure if it's 47.1 or 53.1 but it did say Daystrom.
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Daystar is on WCDN-LD 7 which maps to 53-1.

- Trip
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Daystar is on WCDN-LD 7 which maps to 53-1.

- Trip

That's what I get every once & a while, not even a heartbeat on 47 by me (wherever that is from).
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Is WYTV broadcasting yet? I have flaky dreams of being able to get it deep in the Merriman Valley. I don't think I have a shot in heck at WKBN.
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That would make sense, but won't work for 2 reasons... it would prempt WxNow. plus most cable subscribers don't get 3-2 (or any of the subs)... would be just plain unfair to them.

Then again they do get STO, huh?

But I don't care about them. This is about me and only me and what only I want.
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That's what I get every once & a while, not even a heartbeat on 47 by me (wherever that is from).

You're not missing anything on 47. 47 is the digital assignment of the former analog 67. But now it's something called TCT. Truly a waste of a digital channel. Makes me wonder how the hell they could have assigned a major market CBS affiliate to a VHF channel and an infomercial channel to a UHF channel.
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You're not missing anything on 47. 47 is the digital assignment of the former analog 67. But now it's something called TCT. Truly a waste of a digital channel. Makes me wonder how the hell they could have assigned a major market CBS affiliate to a VHF channel and an infomercial channel to a UHF channel.

There really isn't anything wrong with the higher frequency VHF channels 7-13. The FCC has assigned many channels around here to go back to their original VHF channels... WJW-8 , WTVG-13, WTOL-11, WTOV-9, WTRF-7. It's the lower frequency VHF channels 2-6 that are more proned to interference. However, using an indoor VHF antenna I noticed doesn't work too well. But using an outdoor antenna designed for VHF reception GREATLY improves the signal. I know that WJW and WOIO are a couple of the strongest signals I can get from Norton.
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There really isn't anything wrong with the higher frequency VHF channels 7-13. The FCC has assigned many channels around here to go back to their original VHF channels... WJW-8 , WTVG-13, WTOL-11, WTOV-9, WTRF-7. It's the lower frequency VHF channels 2-6 that are more proned to interference. However, using an indoor VHF antenna I noticed doesn't work too well. But using an outdoor antenna designed for VHF reception GREATLY improves the signal. I know that WJW and WOIO are a couple of the strongest signals I can get from Norton.

Well that's the big disadvantage about VHF DTV. An outside antenna is pretty much a requirement if you want to have any chance at receiving digital VHF channels. It also stinks when there are thunderstorms in the area. Any flash of lightening within 50 miles of my location causes the picture on a VHF channel to break up. UHF is a little more robust, but even that starts to get knocked by thunderstorms. That usually doesn't happen until the storm is pretty much right on top of me.

By the way WRLM/47 is in Brimfield Township, and it is maybe a 1/2 mile to the east of WAOH-LP/29. WRLM has to protect somebody to the northeast, but I have absolutely no idea who that would be.

Also, WYTV has been booming away with their new signal for about the last 2 weeks. If you can't get them now, then you'll probably never receive the station.
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By the way WRLM/47 is in Brimfield Township, and it is maybe a 1/2 mile to the east of WAOH-LP/29. WRLM has to protect somebody to the northeast, but I have absolutely no idea who that would be..

Dunno, Buffalo?
Figures this is the 'Bermuda triangle' of reception (for any secondary markets), areas around is protecting something in my directon to the point I'm in the direction of all the nulls.... even for Cleveland I'm 29 miles from the farm.... & I have some difficulty with most of them (???)

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Also, WYTV has been booming away with their new signal for about the last 2 weeks. If you can't get them now, then you'll probably never receive the station.

Is that 36 RF by any chance? (I have gotten Ft Wayne on 36-1, which maps to 55)... nothing from Y-Town (not even a heartbeat on any of their 3 channels) ... although I'm in a coverage area for at least 41-1.


Indoor Rabbit ears I have my choice of 5 or 61... si?
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WRLM has a tower in Brimfield next to I-76. It's uses a whopping 1000 kW, but it's only 440 ft. above average terrain. That's why it's such a difficult channel to get. WYTV also uses 1000 kw (the maximum allowed) but their transmitter is only 581 ft. above average terrain. Most channels that are easy to receive have towers over 900 ft. WKBN's transmitter is at 1,444 ft.

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