Originally posted by 1450kHz
I must say that the efforts of the local staff at WKEF/WRGT are to be commended
Absolutely, I agree. I think Everyone should send them a thank you note or call and say thanks! Sinclair deserves some credit here too though, I think. For instance, they sent them the equipment -- Upconverter, auto-switcher, and encoder for WRGT-DT/etc ....
Originally posted by browerjs
Here's what i don't understand about FOX Widescreen and what i'm going to need to do...
Right now I have my cable box and OTA box to automatically stretch 4:3 480i pictures. Now if WRGT does not upconvert their 480i to 1080i, i'm assuming i'm going to have to tweak with the box settings so the stretching doesn't take place... If it's 480p i assume i'll have to do the same thing???
Short answer ... No, you shouldn't have to. Doesn't matter if its 480p, 720p, or 1080i, as long as they are sending a 16x9 ATSC format. Prior to today, WRGT-DT has been sending 480i 4x3 ATSC format, just like the other SD channels(with OTA DTV -- Just like 2-2, 16-2, 26-1/etc) , which is the video signal "formatted"+sent(screen aspect ratio wise) just like analog TV station -- 4x3 ... Starting today(at least currently) WRGT-DT(30-1) is sending a 16x9 signal(could be either 480p, 720p or 1080i, don't know which - probably 720p or 480p) --- just like the "HD" channels -- such as 2-1, 41-1, 51-1 OTA.
So, The aspect ratio is formatted for the screen just like the "HD" channels. They need to use a 16x9 format in order to send Fox Widescreen properly.
Now, I hope this makes some sense, but I'm probably going to confuse you a bit, because of what is currently happening with the non-fox programming on WRGT-DT . What is different Right now with Syndicated/local programming being aired on WRGT-DT, as compared to say, 51-1 is -- If you're like me and you want to see 4x3 AS 4x3(as it should be), you'd have to "squeeze" the video being aired currently by WRGT-DT so it will be properly formatted as 4x3(with black bars on the sides). BUT if they were sending Fox programming right now via the "Fox widescreen feed", it would be in properly formatted aspect ratio -- This is becauseas noted earlier, Fox sends their "Widescreen feed" as 480i anamorphic reqiring that it be "strecthed out"-* at the station for proper aspect ratio. So, right now, Fox WS would fill the screen, Fox 4x3 programming would have black bars on the sides -- JUST like a "anamorphic" DVD.
* -- this is a short explanation and while I consider it accurate, some would have issues with certian "semantics" involved concerning how I explained it.(some don't like using "anamoprhic" term since we aren't talking about anamorphic lens' here, and would rather I had used the term "16x9 NTSC video" --- But you probably wouldn't know what I was talking about if I had said "16x9 NTSC Video"). The full explanation would also be looong .... and is a little different if the station is sending 480p 16x9 format(uses Pixels that are wider than they are tall when 16x9 than for the HD 16x9 formats(720p+1080i - uses square pixels). If you're interested in learning more and getting a more accurate, detailed technical explanation, The following thread is one of many on this subject at AVSforum which you might want to "study":http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...0&pagenumber=1
Anyhow, Right now, to properly send the syndicated/local programming as properly formatted 4x3 video, Basically speaking, they would have to change a setting(assuming they have the necessary equipment) to "squeeze it" (in other words, add side bars to "fill out" the 16x9 ATSC format they are using), and then they would have to remove that "squeeze"(or in other words "stretch it" when they switched to the Fox feed) in order for the "anamorphic" Fox material to have proper aspect ratio. WXIX-DT does have the equipment to properly format both Fox WS+local syndicated programming, although I often wish they'd just leave it "set" for Fox Widescreen mode, as they sometimes forget to make the proper "adjustments"(which are done manually in their case).
So, it Looks like right now, WRGT-DT has things set up so aspect ratio will be properly formatted for Fox Widescreen programming+the Fox "feed" via RX C, and everything else will be sent as 4x3 stretched to 16x9. This could change of course, but is the current situation. Hope that makes some sense.
Originally posted by browerjs
Also, i'm wondering what will happen on Non HDTV TV sets that have the digital (non HD) cable box... Currently all of the Digital OTA stations that aren't in HD come through on the regular digital box (WRGT and all the non HD PBS stations come in, WHIO and WKEF won't tune in and don't show up in the guide)... I'm wondering if FOX widescreen will show up as letterboxed, if the don't take the channel off of the regular digital box.
I hadn't thought of that. Unless it can downcovert it to 480i and letterbox or crop/zoom/etc(It would be able to do that with WHIO/WKEF as well), I'd guess the Non-HD cable box would only be able to show stations sending 480i 4x3 SD. So, It wouldn't be able to handle any 16x9 ATSC format, including whatever 16x9 ATSC format WRGT-DT is currently sending. Seems like WHIO-DT 41-2 and WKEF-DT 51-2 SD subchannels could show up though, if TW has those present on their system. Interestingly, also a "blank" 30-2 subchannel has allways shown up from WRGT-DT on my DTC-100, but it has never shown up on my HDV420 receiver.