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post #241 of 6617 Old 02-02-2003, 07:41 PM
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Thanks for the info.

I guess I'm somewhat relieved that the problem with WKEF-DT might be source related as opposed to a problem with Time Warner -- though I'm not really sure.

That's strange that Time Warner would have added a channel that's not even HD yet (WRGT).

I can't really tell what sort of signal I'm getting on the WKEF and WRGT, but I'm not sure it's even upconverted. It looks different than the standard WKEF and WRGT channels, the colors are different, a little bit better picture, overall. For HD HBO I won't get a picture at all through the svideo (only component), but with these two channels I will get a picture through svideo.

But yes, I'm getting a picture with black bars.
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Zibs,

You can try the Contact info(Phone#'s etc) listed on their website -- :

http://www.nbc22.com/feedback/index.htm

Last year around this time, WKEF-DT came on the air early for HD olympics, and I DID have some luck getting them to switch to HD via a call to their Newsroom on a Sunday afternoon, although it took a 20 minute converstation to do so, and they wouldn't switch me to engineering or master control. At the time, a large Logo on WLWT-DT over the ski-jumpers speed info was bothering me

Another way to address WKEF-DT/WRGT-DT issues, is via the email address given at the following page, which is the site of the company that owns WKEF and I believe has a LMA for WRGT, Sinclair(note, I have had some luck using this email address as well) :

http://sbgi.net/dtv/

Perhaps, for TWC subscribers, contacting TWC(If you can get hold of someone who actually knows something about DTV/HD), may be of help/use as well.

Although I certianly would like to do so, I don't feel comfortable sharing more "personal" contact info without permission from those involved.

In order to "get through" to WKEF/WRGT on previous occasions(some of my "findings" on various issues are posted much earlier in this thread), I ended up having to go through a corporate person at Sinclair Broadcasting, who is(or was) an AVSforum member.

Many times, if stations don't hear from viewers when something is "wrong" (No HD for example), they assume that noone is watching(I'm not necessarily referring to WKEF-DT). Granted, IMO, this should have NOTHING to do with how they operate but sometimes it does.

Thanks for trying and good luck -- I think if they get a "ton" of phone calls or emails on HD via their "standard" contact info, it would be a good thing, and that they would take notice.

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Well,

I haven't heard back from WKEF. Since my last post, still No NBC HD from them that I've noticed. Except for "ED" last night, the HD from the Cincy NBC affiliate has been fine.

To be honest, this "contacting the station" thing is really getting old and in some cases, is beginning to deter my enjoyment of HD, and TV in general. I suppose that, if the average Joe gets HD "hooked up", but never ends up seeing it, then the best thing to happen to TV in a long time suffers. For whatever reason that HD or Fox widescreen is "missing" or is problematical from some stations, it is not something this viewer will forget, and at the same time, I'll remember the fine job WDTN-DT and some other stations are doing at present. I understand this DTV+HD is a difficult and expensive thing for stations, however, it is for us as well! I had hoped I was supporting local broadcasters+the Economy by "doing HD+DTV", It certianly was not my intention to become their "enemy", which sometimes seems to be the case.

On another matter, I was perusing websites last night, and noticed a "UPN 44" section on WHIO's website. There certianly isn't a UPN station on the air in Dayton, so I'm wondering, is UPN 44 something only Dayton cable viewers receive? Also, I was thinking, If WHIO-DT must have the 2nd SD subchannel, the least they could do is put this "UPN 44" thing on it, so it would at least serve some purpose for OTA viewers.

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I was thinking, If WHIO-DT must have the 2nd SD subchannel, the least they could do is put this "UPN 44" thing on it, so it would at least serve some purpose for OTA viewers.

Jeff,

I thought you knew the real purpose of simulcasting on WHIO's 2nd subchannel was to induce motion artifacts on the first channel!

Your proposal of broadcasting UPN 44 on 41-2 makes WAY too much sense.

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Surprise!

ER is in HD on WKEF-DT at 10:08 PM.

Update: Looks like the board op missed the switch back to HD after a local ad insert at 10:33pm, I'm bailing and switching to WLWT-DT. The switching has been rough, also, as compared to the smooth transistions on WLWT-DT. Sigh.

Update #2: At 10:45pm they caught it, HD is back. Hopefully, from now on(that's a big hopefully) we'll see the rest of the HD from NBC and WKEF-DT as well. Next up: Leno at 11:35pm. Fingers crossed.

Update #3: Leno in HD at 11:35 on WKEF-DT! They're on a roll! For any of you folks who have been around Dayton for a while(Say 25-30 years or so),I'm 1/2 expecting to see Duffy the Dog pop up next in HD

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Maybe we should volunteer to intern at WKEF, so we could help them learn the switching phases of the network HD transmissions??

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Jeff,

How about Malcolm? Wow, Clubhouse 22. You're really showing your age now!

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Do you guys think SHOCK THEATER will be in HD this weekend?

Dr. Creep will look better than ever.....

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Crap, I watched the ER on my other television, thinking that WKEF was stuck in terminal SD mode. I'll have to check it again. Anyone with TWC get ANY HD on WKEF yet?
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Darn! I wasn't watching the WKEF HD Time Warner channel during either ER or Leno.
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Is Time Warner in Dayton carrying other HD channels than HBO and Showtime? Aybody know if the indemand HD channel will be in Dayton? And finally is ESPN HD going to be picked up by time warner?

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Mr. Sterling in HD on WKEF-DT at 8pm :-o

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I confirm, Mr. Sterling is in HD on Time Warner channel 722! Yahoo!
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TWC seems to be passing the HD signal from WKEF, but it mirrors KEF's notorious on again off again style. Law and Order SVU cut off about halfway through, and then came on for the last couple minutes. It looked nice while it was working, though.

The whole WRGT HD chanell that TWC set aside still boggles the mind.
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Is Time Warner in Dayton carrying other HD channels than HBO and Showtime? Aybody know if the indemand HD channel will be in Dayton? And finally is ESPN HD going to be picked up by time warner?


These are good questions for:

Mr. Jerry DeGrazia CEO
TWC- Western Ohio
P.O. Box 2300
Kettering, Ohio 45429


Or so I am told by the local TWC folks. I wrote him about 2 weeks ago expressing concern that Columbus and Cincinnati are getting all 3 networks but not the folks in Dayton/Springfield/Fairborn/Kettering/Centerville etal.

I haven't heard back as of yet.
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What would motivate TWC to start including more HD channels? Is there somethign other than competition for the various satellite providers? In other words, are there FCC mandates for cable companies to start carrying the local HD networks?

It would be useful when writing a letter to Mr DeGrazia.
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It's 2/11/2003 4:18pm and I'm getting WBDT-DT. One subchannel on digital 18 remapping to 26-1. Content is a simulcast of analog 26.

What are the prospects for HD?

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WBDT-DT is putting a solid signal into here at 5:30pm from 13 Miles Southwest of their tower, getting a solid 88 on the DTC-100 via my low gain Dayton Antenna CM3010.

Concerning the prospects of HD from them, See my post earlier in this thread at link below, and send in those signal reports and requests for HD, either by mail, phone(contact info in previous post) or to the following email address :

questions@wb26tv.com

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...16#post1771516

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I did my part and sent them an email. Just what the world needs is another SD digital station. Why bother?

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I did my part and sent them an email. Just what the world needs is another SD digital station. Why bother?

Because it provides us with a clear, undistorted, and better picture compared to analog.

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Because it provides us with a clear, undistorted, and better picture compared to analog.
jim

Generally, yes, but sometimes not. WRGT is a case in point if you're local. I can see where down in Oxford it would make a difference (no snow on digital), so your point is taken.

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Is WRGT broadcasting on 30? I haven't seen it for over a week!

I'm getting 41, 50, and 51... in Harrison Twp.
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Hello

Yes WRGT is up on 30. Watched last night. That 70's show seemed to have a bit more pixelization than usual - nothing real bad, but very noticable about 6 times.

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To clarify, WRGT-30 is not broadcasting any HD or "Fox Widescreen", correct?
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To clarify, WRGT-30 is not broadcasting any HD or "Fox Widescreen", correct?

Yes, that is correct. And sometimes their regular analog channel 45 looks just as good as their digital 30. Usually too dark.

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Just received the following nice reply to my Signal report(and my 4th or 5th request for HD from their station;-), from Chris Iller at WBDT --- I also asked if they were currently "ready" for full time operation, or were testing. For anyone who hasn't done so, don't forget to send in those signal reports and requests for WB in HD to WBDT :

Jeff,

We are glad to see people out there already noticed our digital signal. For the most part we are still in "test mode", making sure everything is working, and nothing is going to overheat, breakdown, etc. So far so good. We are officially not required to be transmitting digitally until May. So we might not be transmitting 24/7 until then. But who knows, if everything goes well...maybe we will be.

As for HD, our company is in discussion regarding when that might happen. But no official statement has been made.

Thanks for dropping us a note to tell us that you noticed as well as the signal report. I did forward it to our Chief Engineer and our General Manager. Feel free to offer input and give us further feedback regarding the strength of our signal as well as the content.

Thanks for watching,

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Jeff,

I got the same email back from WB26. Its nice to get a response! Like Jeff, I would encourage you all to email them to let them know we are out here! WB26's email address is: questions@wb26tv.com

Now if we can only get someone at Ch7 to pay attention to our reports of those blue bars!

Stay warm, friends!

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Too funny, guys. I was just getting ready to post the response I received back from WB26. You guys beat me to it. I guess they now know there are at least three of us watching.

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Thank you for the responses about 30, It's probably the new antenna and cables on the roof. Funny, but 30 was the only channel I recieved on rabbit ears in the basement. On the roof with a small antenna, it is the only channel I don't recieve.

The signal strength for the digital channels appears low, while I get a very strong signal from the analog stations. Is this normal?


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Yesterday, 30.02 started to show up in my channel listings, but nothing is on the channel. Anyone else get that?

Stay warm and safe! On weekends like this, it's nice to have nice TVs!

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