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post #3061 of 7359 Old 03-14-2007, 03:16 PM
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I have a winegard pr 8800 with a Samsung HDTV Digital Terrestrial Receiver
Model: DTB-H260F, purchased at circuit city . The antenna has a rotor and the co ax cable is about 100 ft long, i am in op and the antenna is mounted on the roof. From here the cn tower is @ 330 degrees, as are the grand island signals. With the antenna directed in this direction I get all local channels with 100% signal and cbc at about 60-70% with very good reception. No Hamilton, no CTV, no Rochester. I would like to pick those up. I guess I will need a preamp for that.
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IF you are less than 20 miles from Grand island a Preamp will likely overload killing your Toronto reception.
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maevejr; Can you get ch 40 CFTO?? Where exactly in O.P.?

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I am off of jewitt-holmwood between freeman and Old transit. With the samsung tuner I have it only allows an auto scan. I point the antenna right at the cn tower (330 degrees for me) and it doesnot pick up 40, CFTO
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am i getting to much signal from grand island or other locals, maybe thats killing cfto.
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If anything it would be more to the south since you are only 8-9 miles away from three of them (33, 38 & 39).

I took a stab at where you are;
http://tiger.census.gov/cgi-bin/maps...onf=mapnew.con

And got this;
http://www.2150.com/broadcast/defaul...=Show+Stations

Direction wise, you are worse off than I am. Toronto is directly in line with Gilligans Island (within 1 degree). But, with 22 miles instead of less than 7, you have a chance. Thou, those three SE of you (off to the backside) might be a issue also. You need a SLM to see what you are up against for signal.

Can you get analog channels 41, 47, 52, 57 & 69? Especially 52 & 57 (not watchable, but receivable)?

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I will have to check re: analog. I will get back to you, SLM?
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Signal Level Meter.

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I am new at this, I did notice other threads of your from a while back. I seems to me that to pick up the relatively weak CTV/CFTO signal I would have to attenuate the noise of the locals. Sounds like i bit of a pain.

I can't seem to pick up Rochester DT, even though the signal strength is much greater. Do you know of anyone who picks up Rocester or Hamilton, is this extremely rare or non existent.

I guess Erie, PA is out.

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I seems to me that to pick up the relatively weak CTV/CFTO signal I would have to attenuate the noise of the locals. Sounds like i bit of a pain.

Yes, it is a PITA and there is no way of knowing if it will work. As I posted before it all depends on how hard you want it. For most it isn't worth it.
I don't have any idea about Rochester. Those signals are very tough since their elevation is very low. You do have an avantage because of your elevation and location where I don't. I know people out in Clarence and east can do it (at least use to with analog channels). I doubt Erie would work since you are probably to far inland.

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I guess from a CTV or other DTV from the cn tower, I will have to wait until they increase their signal or the grand island towers reduce theirs. My house, the grand island towers and cn tower are in a straight line.
So I will occasionally check back, and rescan for CTV from time to time.
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I will have to wait until they increase their signal or the grand island towers reduce theirs

The first part is a maybe, the 2nd is a no way.

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Where is the stinking HD feed for the Niagara-Kansas game?

My brother down in Binghamton is watching it in HD, but we can't here, despite Niagara being the local team! Give me a break WIVB.
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i need to split my antenna feed and send two separate ATSC tuners, one to my pc pvr and the other to my samsung tuner, does anyone have a recommendation that minimizes signal loss.
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On paper, splitting a signal drops it 3db. In reality, I always figure 4db per 2-way splitter. You can't do anything about it. The only way to make up the loss is with an amp before the splitter or a 2 or 4 output amp. The overload issue is still there especially with cheap amps.

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i need to split my antenna feed and send two separate ATSC tuners, one to my pc pvr and the other to my samsung tuner, does anyone have a recommendation that minimizes signal loss.

you will lose some signal with a splitter; however, it may not make any difference. if it does weaken the signal too much you can try a video distribution amp or a an antenna preamp then split

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is there a local qam line up for twc
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Have TW in Amherst with an SA8300 box.

All HD channels look fine, except TNTHD...it looks stretched. Just like if the STB is set for ZOOM, but it's set for "normal" just like for all the channels.

Is this a TW issue or does the OTA signal do the same?

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thnx

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well you'll need a rotor if you want to aim at Toronto or Buffalo depending on what your watching. Depending on your tuner however, you may be able to aim your CM4228 at Toronto and and pick up all the Bufallo stations off the back.

I have a preamped CM4228 aimed at Toronto, and the Buffalo channels (east and northeast) all come in of the sides and rear of my CM4228, except FOX, because it is directional. I would think that you would for the most part get all the Buffalo stations even with your CM4228 aimed rite at Toronto.

With a 5-6-or 7 ft parabolic antenna most of you whose antennas are skirting Grand Island off to the west would probably be able to see all To channels. It miht also allow you to run a preamp since your pointing the antenna pattern alot tighter. Although my specs for the 6 ft model are now in Utah being sized im not expecting a prototype right away. Grand island is 5 miles as the crw flys from me here in Lockport. With a 7 ft parabolic i can watch Erie Pa analog and DIGITAl in good conditions with Grannd island basiclly in the same direction. apx 20deg off.
I can receive all the Erie HDs w/o a problem from the island.
The more directive and narrow a pattern you can make your antenna the better your chances. That is why a long 100" yagi will look at alot more narrow view and produce more concentrated gain than a 4or 8 bay will. In a serious setup 2 winegard or antennacraft yagis side by side stacked will really narrow the view. Nothing will compare to a parabolic in terms of beamwidth thou. I have yet to see anything that compares . Thats in 26 yrs of business. You guys out in HAmburg have a nice advantage. Height and a clear view across the pond thru grand island.
DO NOT consider a preamp unless you can mout it inside and play with it. 90% chance you'll ruin what you have because of Island Overload.
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I am new to this forum and new to OTA DT. I am located in OP, off of Jewitt-Holmwood about halfway between old Transit and 240/277. I have a roof top wineguard PR 8800 with a rotator, no amplifier or preamp etc. I have a cable run of around 100 ft and use a Samsung DTB-H260F receiver. I am interested in only DTV signal and on Auto tune ( I tuner with the antenna pointed at GI and CN tower (330deg) I receive all BFLO dtv signal and CBC(CBLT) without any difficulty.

Once I received CBLT Fr, never again. I have never received Rochester, Erie, Hamilton or other Toronto DTV, including CFTO (CTV). I can honestly say that the only limits I have as far as upgrading is that My wife will have me murdered if I put a bigger or uglier antenna up. Otherwise, I would consider other options.

My main question is.... Is this as good as it gets. Is my system at an optimum or are there other things I can have done to improve reception, my wish list would be CFTO, Hamilton, Rochester and then Erie in that order.

Will there be advancements in the near or not to distant future in regards to antenna technology, tuners, transmission signal strength, filters, amplifiers
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Have TW in Amherst with an SA8300 box.

All HD channels look fine, except TNTHD...it looks stretched. Just like if the STB is set for ZOOM, but it's set for "normal" just like for all the channels.

Is this a TW issue or does the OTA signal do the same?

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thnx

A lot of the movies they put on are 4:3 and stretched to 16:9. They do show some movies in true 16:9 and all of their sports are as well.
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My main question is.... Is this as good as it gets. Is my system at an optimum or are there other things I can have done to improve reception, my wish list would be CFTO, Hamilton, Rochester and then Erie in that order.

Will there be advancements in the near or not to distant future in regards to antenna technology, tuners, transmission signal strength, filters, amplifiers[/quote]
CFTO-dt will not be able to increase power until analog shut down in Canada.There is no time table for this.The Toronto digitals are sharing transmitting antennas with analog transmitters and can not increase power without causing interference to the analogs.So CFTO-dt is stuck at 17KW for several more years 5 to 10.
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I guess all I can say is thank goodness they are the only channel that makes the picture so distorted!!!

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A lot of the movies they put on are 4:3 and stretched to 16:9. They do show some movies in true 16:9 and all of their sports are as well.


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Have TW in Amherst with an SA8300 box.

All HD channels look fine, except TNTHD...it looks stretched. Just like if the STB is set for ZOOM, but it's set for "normal" just like for all the channels.

Is this a TW issue or does the OTA signal do the same?

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thnx

DirecTV Amherst, NY
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Ah how the need for a parabolic uhf antenna grows!!

I bet they regret doing away with that model. Too bad they don't bring it back.
BUT, I would think shipping would be a big issue though I have no idea how it came unassembled. I only saw it once on a small cottage like home in Kenmore 30 years ago. Almost as large as the house.
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CFTO-dt will not be able to increase power until analog shut down in Canada.There is no time table for this.The Toronto digitals are sharing transmitting antennas with analog transmitters and can not increase power without causing interference to the analogs.So CFTO-dt is stuck at 17KW for several more years 5 to 10.

May I ask where this came from? Is it more the RF loading on the existing antennas (RF heating of the actual antenna and feedline)?
You have a issue with ch 40 where you are??

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is there a local qam line up for twc


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You have a issue with ch 40 where you are??

CTV is a solid signal for the most part. I've read of people who can't pick it up from Port Colbourne, ON which is basically the same distance away from Toronto as Buffalo. It's probably that u guys just need height/a direct path to the CN Tower to get CFTO.
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I'm in the village of Lancaster, by Broadway and Lake, near Como Park...I'd like to get Canadian HD feeds OTA...preferably HNIC...right now I'm using a silver sensor in my living room. So would it look like I need:

1. Preamped antenna in the attic
2. Preamped antenna on the roof
3. A boot in my @ss for such a silly idea
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you'd probably be able to get CBC-HD (HNIC) with a CM4228 on your roof aimed at Toronto (don't worry about the preamp).

Better get it up before Saturday, Leafs and Sabres play in HD broadcast in CBC-HD 20-1
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3. A boot in my @ss for such a silly idea

No, just a boot in the ass for saying it's a silly idea. What's silly about it??

Actually choice #4: A roof antenna with a amp in the attic (where you can get to it).

You can fine tune this if you wish;
http://tiger.census.gov/cgi-bin/maps...=210&map.y=206

With that I got this;
http://www.2150.com/broadcast/defaul...=Show+Stations

The important thing is Toronto is 21 degrees away from Grand Island which gives you a shot. The only way to know is get the antenna up there w/o any amp and see if you get ch. 20 (CBC digital). Then, see how well ch 52 & 57 come in (if you see them at all). If you do get those you might/should have a shot at ch 40, try that. Remember moving the antenna from one end of the roof to the other can make a difference, but try the location that affords the shortest distance to thet main TV (and is easy to get to if there is a difference).

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So without reading 103 pages, what's a good page to start on for getting information on here?

Is there like an OTA HD-Antenna for newbs?
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