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post #541 of 7360 Old 03-10-2004, 12:58 PM
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WKBW!!!

I'm now getting a picture and sound! Time is 4:00pm.

My receiver states that it's HDTV.

I hope they keep in up so I can watch Stephen King tonight!

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WKBW is re-mapping again to 7-1 and 7-2.

They are also stretching the 4:3 picture into 16:9.
The 4 pm news sure is funny looking.

As for signal, I am receiving 6 bars in St. Catharines, ON
on a Samsung 151.
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WKBW!!!

I'm now getting a picture and sound! Time is 4:00pm.

My receiver states that it's HDTV.

I hope they keep in up so I can watch Stephen King tonight!

BUMMER!

They are no longer up, no signal. 5:00pm

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WIVB is fixed.....rejoice. HD is back!
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Re: whether you'll need a VHF antenna for WNY digital TV in the long run, I know of no announcements. Probably the stations will see which channel gets them better coverage and go with that.
Here's an article with lots of technicalities on the subject, which bottom line says 'it depends'. http://www.tvtechnology.com/features...03.10.04.shtml


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Today I'm noticing dropouts intermittently on WKBW-DT, but I'm getting a very strong signal at 9bars. Anyone else getting dropouts. I'm wondering if its the station or my reception. Previously I haven't seen any dropouts from them at all. I'm posting this at 930AM. Now 230PM still seeing dropouts, signal still 9 bars.
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Well, finally I got home today at 5:00pm, and turned on my OTA/165 to see if Ch7 was still on. And, yep got a signal on 38-1 (nothing was picked up on 38-2).

It ran for about 5 minutes, then they must have turned it off about 5:15.

I'll tell you this, I'd be ashamed to put that signal on the air. What a crappy picture. Looks like a color kinescope made circa 1952.
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After 2PM today, the problem seemed to have cleared up. I had sent them an E-mail in the morning, maybe they did something to correct the issue.
7-1 had the stretched image, and 7-2 had the normal 4:3 image with side bars and no audio. I think they may be launching Monday fulltime because they will be demonstrating HDTV on AM Buffalo at 10AM.
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OK, I know they're TESTING but the WKBW signal looks just awful -- soft and all mid-range with no real black or real white levels.

Then there's WUTV-DT which -- most of the time -- has a really good looking
picture and good sound.

YES, FOX LOOKS BETTER THAN ABC IN BUFFALO . . . . at least at this point.


I think it's time to start complaining to WIVB-DT again -- CSI was mirco blocking and freezing last night everytime there was a cut to a grainy, chroma rich flashback . .
and I do mean EVERY time.

For what reason are the sub chans back? Their HD image was GREAT without the subs.
And why now when WNLO-DT is supposed to go on air April 1?

has anyone picked up WNYO-DT chan 34? I heard they were testing as well.
Let's hope they get their act together by November for THE LORD OF THE RINGS- FELLOWSHIP of the RINGS in High Def.

Why the WB ? ? ? Oh, yeah, Warner Brothers owns New Line.

Small world.
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I think it's time to start complaining to WIVB-DT again -- CSI was mirco blocking and freezing last night everytime there was a cut to a grainy, chroma rich flashback . . and I do mean EVERY time.

I watched CSI via Adelphia's HD channel. I did not experience that. There was a couple "burps" but I don't think it was bad last night at all.
You watching the OTA version?
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I have heard no reports about WNYO-DT as of yet. They may well be up by April 1st. I have checked 34 for a signal daily and nothing yet so far. Although Mr. Merrill at WIVB did confirm to me in an E-mail that WNLO-DT will indeed be up on April 1st on ch-32 at full power. Also, lets at least give WKBW some credit here, at least they are testing, and hopefully soon we will see some HD from them.
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Finally was able to watch some Fox upscaled Simpsons and That 70's Show without any major stuttering and over 15.5 dB signal rate. Now if only WKBW show up

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If you can receive WUTV-DT then WKBW-DT should be easily received. They have a strong signal. Of course it may depend on your location. Are you north of south of the border? Also remember WKBW-DT only goes on-air from 9am-5pm approx. They have never been on in the evening so far.
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I saw lots of problems receiving CSI on Thursday as well. I keep thinking its me, but then I hear reports from others. Hey, at least we can all complain together! :-)

I find WUTV's SD upconversion surprisingly good. Much better than the NBC/CBS SD feeds (which are very low starting resolution).

Anyone catch NBC's Crossing Jordon tonight? Talk about dark... but at least it was nice and clear. Had very strong reception tonight for some reason.
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Ya, the problem is with WIVB, not your reception. I saw the freeze-ups and pixelation during CSI as well. Hopefully when WNLO-DT goes on air April 1st they can remove it as a sub-channel and devote all the bandwidth to HD, maybe that will resolve this ongoing issue with them.
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Apparently WKBW-DT goes officially fulltime on Monday, but no HD for now.
They still have to install some HD Satellite recievers to receive the HD ABC feeds.
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OVERALL SUBJECTIVE CAVEAT-
I base this on OTA reception with a SIR T-165 into a HD LEEZA into a NEC 10 PG CRT.

RE: WKBW IMAGE QUALITY --

I think we all acknowledge that WKBW is still testing and will give them the benefit of the doubt -- for a WHILE -- in the spirit of promoting HD.

That said, it is also as good idea to acknowledge and keep in mind that WKBW has been dragging it's feet for years on HD . . . . and when you are last you are invaribly and appropriately compared to whoever was first . . .

AND, I think it is appropriate to hold WKBW to a high standard.


RE: CROSSING JORDAN

Yes, Friday night's broadcast was VERY dark -- I had to raise both the black and the white level to get what I would call a "normal" image AND boost the chroma.
Last Sunday's show was MUCH better quality -- at least picture-wise.

Unfortunately, with this boosting the up-converted SD commercials were WAY too hot.

Which leads me to believe that some thing is a miss at the network if the network is doing the upconverting on national commercials which I assume they are.

Long story short -- VIDEO LEVELS seem to be ALL OVER THE PLACE in HD

I assume these are the annoying growing pains of a new format and of integrating HD programs with up-converted SD commercials . . . .

AND, what a shocker, it would appear that the commercials are taking first priority
RE: quality control. I have NEVER seen a national TV spot on an HD feed that has had the kind of video level problems that the HD programs ROUTINELY have.

Again, I would assume that this is in part due to HD's greater resolution and latitude
AND most likely, just that the HD signal is different from the NTSC signal .. . .

AND because 99.9% of the bill-paying commercials are run from NTSC masters
it would seem the technical deck is slanted toward NTSC and not HD.

So, what does this all mean...

It will all get better as the HD growing pains get worked out.

However, in the short run it is helpful to let the broadcasters know when they are doing
badly and when they are doing well. Complaints and compliments will speed the process along.


Greg

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TECHO BABBLE-

I finally sorta confirmed this level issue with the waveform and vectorscope monitors
in Final Cut Pro.

The commercials scope pretty "normal" and the HD programs are all over the place.

Worst offenders

In general

NAVY NCIS = blacks severly crushed which increases the chroma level -- in NTSC. The hue/tint was swung toward the magenta.

On Friday 3/12/04

JOAN of ARCADIA = black levels high ie milky and white level low = milky

.....immediately followed by...

JAG = blacks somewhat crushed, chroma level very high.

.... immediately followed by . .

CROSSING JORDAN = black level a bit high, white level very low, chroma level low.

These are all taken RELATIVE to the commercials which ALL looked and scoped
"normal.

Granted, these are software based monitors being fed an analog down-converted HD signal that is then digitized and re-digitized a BUNCH of times before it is displayed
so this is far, FAR from being any kind of a standardized test.

What it DOES show is that the program levels RELATIVE TO THE COMMERCIALS
are, in fact, all over the place.


If I can do this on a laptop one wonders for what reason the networks and locals
aren't doing the same thing . . . . and then doing something ABOUT it.

The results are NOT subtle or difficult to interpret.
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In regards to WNYO-DT, having looked at the FCC website, it appears they have an STA to operate at a mere .650KW or 650 watts. It likely will not be receivable in too many places, especially north of the border. Oh well.
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Can someone tell me what power the following stations are broadcasting at:

CITY-HD
Toronto1 HD
WIVB
WKBW
WNED
WGRZ
WUTV

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7's on this evening ... with 2 subchannels, one is stretched SD (1280x704) and the other vanilla SD ... hope this is not the long term configuration, what a waste. Does suggest that WKBW will split their bandwidth, leaving WGRZ as the only high quality HD channel in town. Well it's early yet, but based on past history picture quality is not a serious concern at KB.

Too bad the broadcasters are sabotaging the potential of OTA digital ... in a few years there will be HD DVDs, and there are already VOOM and the other dbs HD channels ... all the piles of money the OTAs have spent for new transmission facilities, largely just to warm the ether as more people abandon mindless broadcast networks and head for DVD, cable, VOD, and alternatives who have learned they don't have a lock on the market, and have to actually compete.


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Picked up WKBW for the first time tonight...

The good: stong and steady signal strength where I am.

The bad: Wow, both the upconverted SD and normal SD images look *horrible*.

Question. Here in Toronto on cable TV, the only channel that isn't fed via some digital master source is WKBW, which seems to be picked up by antenna - there's weak colors, often some ghosting and smearing, etc. All other Buffalo stations are crystal clear. Anyone know why this is the case?

I ask, as I see some of the same issues on WKBW's digital SD signal as I do on cable TV (it's just much worse on digital SD). Are they doing something "different" than other channels?
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This makes channel 23 and 49 the only ones that aren't HD?

Is everyone else 24/7 HD?

Abundant OTA television is what makes this country different from all others. Lets keep it this way.
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I almost got full moving video on WKBW-DT just now, first time I have been able to get any picture from WKBW.

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As far as I've seen NBC is not yet 24x7 HD (just most of the time). Probably the only channel that could be considered "actual" 24x7 HD is PBS! :-)

I thought I read here somewhere that 23 will begin broadcasting on 34 on April 1st or thereabouts. But, besides for 23 & 49, everything else of interest in Buffalo is at least testing on the air.

...Except perhaps for WPJX Pax 51. I can barely receive them analog, so I have no aspirations of getting them digital - I don't even know what their digital assignment is.
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IND 46 WNGS-DT Awaiting FCC Permit
PAX 53 WPXJ-DT Awaiting FCC Permit
TBN 27 WNYB-DT Under Review
UPN 32 WNLO-DT Apr 1 2004
WB 34 WNYO-DT Awaiting FCC Permit

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Could everyone update there user profile to include their LOCATION, it's very hard to determine just where you are when you post that you are receiving a signal strong without that infomation.

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Don't say your in Buffalo if you live in a suburb either!

Abundant OTA television is what makes this country different from all others. Lets keep it this way.
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Is this acceptable?
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Ok Profile is updated.
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I am having the same problems on CBS as the rest of you. ABC was really terrible so I changed my 6000 receiver to 720p and it looks good now. I thought I would leave it that way for a while and see what happens.
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