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post #7621 of 7637 Old 05-15-2017, 12:23 PM
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I decided to delve into it a bit. If I put WNYB on channel 9, it causes 3% interference to WHAM and 13% interference to CKVR in Canada. If I put it on channel 10, it causes 3% interference to WHEC and 30% interference to CFPL in Canada. Suffice it to say, neither is acceptable.

WBNF-CD is a Class A station, which until the Incentive Auction, was treated just like an LPTV by Canada and thus was not protected from full-power stations like CHCH. (Even though it would be protected from US full-power stations.) It receives 16% interference from CHCH.

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Other than the current sole 'local' and CFTO out of Toronto, Erie PA, Kitchener and especially Olean are out also. The two county's north of here, Kitchener would be receivable and the southtowns along the lake, Erie PA may be possible.
Actually WVTT Olean, is on tower north of Machias and just south of Springville. In theory they should put great signal into Buffalo, they don't, but that is not because of their location, or assign power level. Not sure of WVTT strategy, they would be a perfect station to use for experimenting with the new 3.0 broadcast standard in the Buffalo area. Currently they are broadcasting This TV on an analog translator Ch. 20 in Olean and putting a solid analog OTA signal in Olean.

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WBBZ/ ME-TV audio

I have noticed in the past 3 or so weeks WBBZ's audio has gotten terrible. Somewhere along the food chain the level has been cranked up to a point a limiter is clipping with the low level material at the same level as the peaks. To put it plainly film noise, clicks, pops are as almost as loud as gun shots. Very noticeable on series like Perry Mason where what should close to be inaudible hiss and background noise is at the level of the vocals. This also includes Hogans Heroes. S's are Z's in the vocals.

If you listen close you can hear the background level recover after loud passages. I contact the station engineer and got the typical response that I'm the only one that has complained. I was going to common on their typical viewers technical level, but didn't.

I viewed the same material in another room analog int. amp vs a higher end A/V receiver and get the same results as the engineer tried to blame settings here. No other station or material is this happening and it never did 3 weeks ago. Anyome else notice this of can confirm they do or do not? It's really obvious here, I have to drop my receiver volume 8-10db to compensate the the compression level increase.

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I guess no one watches or should I say listens to WBBZ here, or no one that is an audiophile?
It doesn't appear to be a local problem thou I'm not sure as local originating material from Clarence (their studio is not in Buffalo) doesn't seem to have the problem.

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I guess no one watches or should I say listens to WBBZ here, or no one that is an audiophile?
It doesn't appear to be a local problem thou I'm not sure as local originating material from Clarence (their studio is not in Buffalo) doesn't seem to have the problem.
I dont have cable TV at this house... and I watch all OTA, I've not noticed any issue with WBBZ.
My hearing isn't too good though. I will listen more closely and report back.
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It started a few weeks before the date of that post. It's VERY noticeable, it wasn't there before.

With older material (Perry Mason for one example) it's most noticeable. Listen for the background level, it's close to the level of the vocals if not louder sometimes. Film audio noise, hiss, scratches etc. come right thru. Also the audio distortion is greater. I'm not 100% sure it's not local material. Due to the far better audio quality of todays electronics vs 40-60 years ago, if it's there it's no where near as noticeable since the s/n ratio is far superior.

But most important, the overall audio level of their main and 1st sub channel is 7-8 db higher than any other station. I have to reach for the remote to crank it down.

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Sound level issue on WBBZ...

Nope, sorry to say but I just don't hear any issues with WBBZ. I listened on the OTA I have at house 1, and on TimeWarner cable at house 2 over the past few weeks. Compared MeTV to other channels. They sound OK to me. But decades of ruining my hearing without hearing protection has left me with sub level acuity... and loads of tinnitus.

I do have audio issues switching to 2-2 Antenna TV... its volume level is much lower than everything else.. I need to crank up the volume to hear that one.
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Thanks for the try. The tuners in use don't have a handle on levels to the extent of the difference what I'm hearing.
AFA WGRZ's sub channel, I use to record Johnny Carlson and I did notice the audio level was low, but the difference was nothing near what I hear on WBBZ. I guess no one else watches, or should I say listens to WBBZ around here.

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For Buffalo area OTAers who are NFL fans, CTV Two (42.1 CKVP) is carrying the Thursday Night games that are not on either NBC or CBS (NFL Network only)
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WVTT and WGRZ

WVTT Olean Applying to Move onto WGRZ Tower and change community of License to Buffalo. So WVVT will moving to VHF Ch. 11 and if the FCC approves the application, it will also move on top of WGRZ tower with a 2 KW power level. Looking at http://www.rabbitears.info/tower.php...e&asrn=1013220 it appears that WVTT transmitting antenna will be above WGRZ on the tower, which makes me wonder if WVTT will use WGRZ old VHF transmitter antenna array. If the FCC approves the move, it will be interesting to see what WVTT might be use for in the future.
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4.4 Laff?

What's up with the 4.4 sub tonight? Nothing on Rabbitears about this..
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LAFF is listing both WIVB and WKBW on their affiliates page. Perhaps a corporate/subchannel shuffle that's not over yet?
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What is more interesting is that WIVB will stop broadcasting, sometime at the end of this year, or beginning of next year, on RF 39 and channel share with WNLO CW 23. So why stick a sub-channel on 4 now, why not put it on WNLO where it will land anyway?
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What is more interesting is that WIVB will stop broadcasting, sometime at the end of this year, or beginning of next year, on RF 39 and channel share with WNLO CW 23. So why stick a sub-channel on 4 now, why not put it on WNLO where it will land anyway?
Warren, when WIVB and WNLO start channel sharing will both channels still be able to broadcast in HD because i've never seen 2 HD stations on a single channel before.
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Warren, when WIVB and WNLO start channel sharing will both channels still be able to broadcast in HD because i've never seen 2 HD stations on a single channel before.
yes they can. Smaller markets have been doing it for years.
Here in Minneapolis we have 3 such examples

Both of our PBS stations (KTCA & KTCI) have everything in HD
RF34 has 2-1 PBS, 2-4 PBS Kids and 2-5 TPTNow (wx) in 1080i
RF23 has 2-2 PBS Minnesota Channel and 2-3 KTCI (TPTLife) in 1080i


FOX has both FOX & MY (Now called FOX Plus)
RF29
9-1 FOX HD
9-2 FOX9+ (formerly My)
9-3 Movies!
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yes they can. Smaller markets have been doing it for years.
Here in Minneapolis we have 3 such examples

Both of our PBS stations (KTCA & KTCI) have everything in HD
RF34 has 2-1 PBS, 2-4 PBS Kids and 2-5 TPTNow (wx) in 1080i
RF23 has 2-2 PBS Minnesota Channel and 2-3 KTCI (TPTLife) in 1080i


FOX has both FOX & MY (Now called FOX Plus)
RF29
9-1 FOX HD
9-2 FOX9+ (formerly My)
9-3 Movies!
I guess if a smaller market can put more than one HD Station on a single channel WIVB and WNLO can do the same thing here. I literally just remembered rochester's ABC and CW affiliates are already sharing a single channel and both are broadcasting in HD. I haven't used a tv antenna since 2009 so i forgot until now that ABC and CW in rochester are already sharing a single channel. I know both of these stations are in HD because my cable box shows both stations in HD and RabbitEars says the same thing.
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Warren, when WIVB and WNLO start channel sharing will both channels still be able to broadcast in HD because i've never seen 2 HD stations on a single channel before.
They can do almost anything they want , it all depends on how much bandwidth is allocated to each sub channel.

WNED is running 16x9 material on their sub channel for some time now, but it isn't "HD". So does WNYO on one of their subchannles I beleive.

The general public I doubt can tell the difference.

This whole thing is a big joke, all for the wireless industry and toy idiot phone users. I hope you all are happy watching some miniature toy TV while you are doing your childish "texting" at the same time.
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