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It irritates me that WXII 12-2's logo bug reads METV Greensboro. WXII's COL is obviously Winston-Salem.
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On WXII's 12-2 station, "Me-TV" Saturday night at 11, Get Smart goes off, and a promo comes on...

"Thank you North Carolina for making us America's number one all classic tv network. MeTV, WXH-TV 12 Plus."

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Missed it by THAT MUCH.
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Here's something you guys will get a laugh out of.

Obviously nobody listened to this before it aired.

On WXII's 12-2 station, "Me-TV" Saturday night at 11, Get Smart goes off, and a promo comes on...

"Thank you North Carolina for making us America's number one all classic tv network. MeTV, WXH-TV 12 Plus."

Yes, he actually said W X H - TV. Was his script handwritten on a bar napkin? How poorly was the writing for II to look like H.

Yes, we all make mistakes. But wow.
Its still WXH-TV this morning.... but I'm sure the next time a real person gets near a mic up there, it will change.
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It irritates me that WXII 12-2's logo bug reads METV Greensboro. WXII's COL is obviously Winston-Salem.
This is the Greensboro market. That is where it comes from. People outside of the area only see the first city name in the market and use that. They don't drill down any further than that. It was the same way when FOX owned us. They called us their "Greensboro station." Last owners did the same and current owners continue the trend. As far as the outside world goes, all stations are in Greensboro, no matter what their COL is. Unfortunately, that won't be changing.

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This is the Greensboro market. That is where it comes from. People outside of the area only see the first city name in the market and use that. They don't drill down any further than that. It was the same way when FOX owned us. They called us their "Greensboro station." Last owners did the same and current owners continue the trend. As far as the outside world goes, all stations are in Greensboro, no matter what their COL is. Unfortunately, that won't be changing.

Because of the RDU airport, some people have taken to speaking of "Raleigh-Durham", which is quite annoying because Raleigh and Durham are quite different. WTVD definitely pays more attention to Durham than WRAL does.

How did Fayetteville get tossed into the same DMA as Raleigh?
And why is WNCN's city of license Goldsboro instead of Raleigh?
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Because of the RDU airport, some people have taken to speaking of "Raleigh-Durham", which is quite annoying because Raleigh and Durham are quite different. WTVD definitely pays more attention to Durham than WRAL does.

How did Fayetteville get tossed into the same DMA as Raleigh?
And why is WNCN's city of license Goldsboro instead of Raleigh?
My parents swear they are the same city. For fun, I remind them that the airport is actually in Morrisville. WTVD Durham should have their news studios in Durham. With their studios in downtown Raleigh, it's hard to get the more Durham feel, but I guess they do mention Durham than WRAL. Interesting observation about Fayetteville. Fayetteville is no further from Raleigh than Burlington is - but we won't go down that road again.

I have noticed that all of the Directv feeds of the locals say "Greensboro" in the station info, even on WGPX, WCWG, WXII, WGHP. The AM21 feeds get more of them correct but some are still off (WGPX). WSET says Roanoke, not Lynchburg. etc etc. I have seen DMAs up north (Boston MA, Portland, ME, and Burlington VT with some cities correctly ID'ed and not others. I guess it's okay to say "Greensboro" but, to me at least, to call WXII-2 Greensboro is a glaring slap in the face that MeTV is far from local. Fox 50's MeTV just reads "50-2" for the local bug.
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How did Fayetteville get tossed into the same DMA as Raleigh?
Not sure which came first, Nielsen moved them after the stations asked, or it is because of the govermnet putting them there for economic reasons and Nielsen followed suit.

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It is a move in. The Table of Assignments originally allocated it to Goldsboro. In the late 80's, the way the rules were written, as long as you could keep a city grade signal over COL, you could move the station anywhere you wanted. Since Goldsboro is not that far from Raleigh and is in the Raleigh market, and Raleigh having the money Goldsboro didn't, they moved it I was working for the company that built it originally when it was built in 1990. The original studio was in Clayton off of Bus US 70. The building is now a daycare center. When NBC bought the station, they moved the studios to Raleigh and changed network affiliation.

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. I guess it's okay to say "Greensboro" but, to me at least, to call WXII-2 Greensboro is a glaring slap in the face that MeTV is far from local. Fox 50's MeTV just reads "50-2" for the local bug.
Do you expect every subchannel to have a local feel or to have locally produced programming? Remember that Me-TV is simply a network. It's the affiliates that are local. If the main channel has locally produced programming, it might be fine for a subchannel to just carry the network programming from the "diginet".

WRAZ's 50.2 only carries local programming when it airs a Durham Bulls minor league baseball game and when it airs the 10 p.m. newscast that is produced by WRAL.

I think a lot of viewers would object if the Me-TV feed were pre-empted for local programming too often. In the Philadelphia market, there is a Delaware station KJWP whose primary affiliation is Me-TV. The station carries some local public affairs programming, but viewers complain about the Me-TV programming being preempted.
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Missed it by THAT MUCH.
Sorry about that, Chief!
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Do you expect every subchannel to have a local feel or to have locally produced programming? Remember that Me-TV is simply a network. It's the affiliates that are local. If the main channel has locally produced programming, it might be fine for a subchannel to just carry the network programming from the "diginet".

WRAZ's 50.2 only carries local programming when it airs a Durham Bulls minor league baseball game and when it airs the 10 p.m. newscast that is produced by WRAL.

I think a lot of viewers would object if the Me-TV feed were pre-empted for local programming too often. In the Philadelphia market, there is a Delaware station KJWP whose primary affiliation is Me-TV. The station carries some local public affairs programming, but viewers complain about the Me-TV programming being preempted.
I am not talking about pre-emptions. I am talking about the little bug in the corner.
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Hey guys!

First post here on the AVS forums! I've gotten some good info just from this thread so far, so I want to send out kudos to you all for participating in this thread! I do have several questions that I hope you can answer - in layman's terms if possible. Bare with me as I'm trying to be brief yet thorough.

OK, first off, I live in Oak Ridge, NC, just off route 68. Our house is the last house in our neighborhood, and it is surround by trees except for the front side. However, it's not thick woods, I think there could be a line of sight to the sky, but the trees are very tall.

I'm wanting to cut the cord, and go strictly OTA. I'm hoping it will be possible to pick up Roanoke, VA stations. The reason is that I'm a huge Redskins fan (don't laugh) and I would like to catch the games shown on VA Fox stations that are not shown in the Triad. Other than that, I simply just want to make sure I pick up all of the major broadcast stations: CBS, NBC, ABC, FOX, PBS, and I think my wife likes to watch the CW (is it still called CW Network?)

So, here's what I'm thinking I need, and correct me if I'm wrong. A directional UHF/VHF antenna that is rated up to 100 miles, a pre-amp to help reel in those Roanoke channels, and a rotor system? As far as mounting the antenna, I guess I have two options? Mount it to the roof or get one of those telescoping masts that I can crank into the air and mount it in the backyard? Am I right in assuming that is what a telescoping mast does? I just don't know how high I would need to go in terms of mounting the antenna, but I'd want to go high enough to make this project worth the work. Lastly, I'd definitely like to have this thing grounded. I just don't know how to do that, OR how I would do that correctly. I just know that I don't want my new TV burnt to a crisp!

Anyways, I'd need help getting all this set up - especially if it has to be mounted to the roof. My wife has forbid me to climb up on the roof, lol! Is there anybody in the area who installs this stuff professionally? I'd purchase all the equipment if they can install for me. Thanks in advance for your help! I'm excited about cutting the cord! With a little one on the way, I'm just trying to do what I can to cut some major costs.
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Welcome gman40.

From Oak Ridge, as long as you don't live in a hole, OTA is very doable with antenna on the roof. All the local stations operate on UHF now, even though they still identify with the old analog channel numbers. The only 2 stations close by that is still on VHF is the PBS station out of Roanoke on channel 3. It is basically unwatchable since VHF channels 2-6 are susceptible to man made noise like bad spark plug wiring, vacuum cleaners, hand tools, etc and the ABC station on channel 13.

A UHF antenna similar to a bow tie type with modest amplification on a roof works quite well in the area for all the stations except PBS in Roanoke.

You will need to point almost due south to pick up the following stations:

WFMY 2 (channel 51)
WGHP 8 (channel 35)
WCWG 20 (channel 19)
WLXI 43 (channel 43)
WXLV 45 (channel 29)
WMYV 48 (channel 33)

Northeast of Greensboro
WGPX 16 (channel 14)

North of Winston-Salem on Sauratown Mt (almost due west from Oak Ridge)
WXII 12 (channel 31)
WUNL 26 (channel 32)

As far as the Roanoke stations go you should be able to get
WDBJ 7 CBS (channel 18)
WSLS 10 NBC (channel 30)
WSET 13 ABC (channel 13)
WFXR 21 FOX (channel 27)

Being north of Greensboro helps your reception of the Roanoke stations.

I live in north Greensboro off Battleground Ave and except for WSET 13 and the PBS channel 3, I get the main Roanoke stations along with all the local stations with an antenna and rotor on my single story roof.

Hope that is helpful.

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Welcome gman40.

From Oak Ridge, as long as you don't live in a hole, OTA is very doable with antenna on the roof. All the local stations operate on UHF now, even though they still identify with the old analog channel numbers. The only 2 stations close by that is still on VHF is the PBS station out of Roanoke on channel 3. It is basically unwatchable since VHF channels 2-6 are susceptible to man made noise like bad spark plug wiring, vacuum cleaners, hand tools, etc and the ABC station on channel 13.

A UHF antenna similar to a bow tie type with modest amplification on a roof works quite well in the area for all the stations except PBS in Roanoke.

You will need to point almost due south to pick up the following stations:

WFMY 2 (channel 51)
WGHP 8 (channel 35)
WCWG 20 (channel 19)
WLXI 43 (channel 43)
WXLV 45 (channel 29)
WMYV 48 (channel 33)

Northeast of Greensboro
WGPX 16 (channel 14)

North of Winston-Salem on Sauratown Mt (almost due west from Oak Ridge)
WXII 12 (channel 31)
WUNL 26 (channel 32)

As far as the Roanoke stations go you should be able to get
WDBJ 7 CBS (channel 18)
WSLS 10 NBC (channel 30)
WSET 13 ABC (channel 13)
WFXR 21 FOX (channel 27)

Being north of Greensboro helps your reception of the Roanoke stations.

I live in north Greensboro off Battleground Ave and except for WSET 13 and the PBS channel 3, I get the main Roanoke stations along with all the local stations with an antenna and rotor on my single story roof.

Hope that is helpful.
Ah yes!!! Thank you so, very much Foxeng! I think I'm going to be OK where I live. I don't live in a hole, but I do have some tall trees surrounding the house, mainly on the backside. However, I'm thinking where I would have to turn the antenna to pick up Roanoke would be away from the trees anyway, so I should be OK with that. I've been able to pick up quite a few local channels on a broken old pair of rabbit ears, so I'm confident that I shouldn't have any problems with a roof top antenna.
So do you just have yours mounted on a 5 foot mast? How do you ground your antenna?
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Hey guys!

First post here on the AVS forums! I've gotten some good info just from this thread so far, so I want to send out kudos to you all for participating in this thread! I do have several questions that I hope you can answer - in layman's terms if possible. Bare with me as I'm trying to be brief yet thorough.

OK, first off, I live in Oak Ridge, NC, just off route 68. Our house is the last house in our neighborhood, and it is surround by trees except for the front side. However, it's not thick woods, I think there could be a line of sight to the sky, but the trees are very tall.

I'm wanting to cut the cord, and go strictly OTA. .
Do you have the option of a deck or porch for mounting the antenna? No ladders, and a height advantage over the ground.
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Do you have the option of a deck or porch for mounting the antenna? No ladders, and a height advantage over the ground.
Hi Difuse! I do have a back deck. The back side of the house is surrounded by a wooded area though. Would you think I should consider mounting the antenna on a telescoping mast?
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Hi Difuse! I do have a back deck. The back side of the house is surrounded by a wooded area though. Would you think I should consider mounting the antenna on a telescoping mast?
That would depend om what you can do. I'm using a double length mast with a 4 bay bowtie on the top, mounted on a deck. I can take it down and put it back up without any help, but, I can understand that some might not find that practical. I have no experience with telescopic masts. If the trees are an issue, they will be an issue no matter where the antenna is mounted.

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That would depend om what you can do. I'm using a double length mast with a 4 bay bowtie on the top, mounted on a deck. I can take it down and put it back up without any help, but, I can understand that some might not find that practical. I have no experience with telescopic masts. If the trees are an issue, they will be an issue no matter where the antenna is mounted.
I little more. I have trees on 2 sides, north and east. I'm receiving the Triad stations through the trees, and, through the screen reflector, as the antenna is usually pointed toward Charlotte. I guess I'm doing alright with the set-up. Any refraction caused by the tress is probably being partially compensated for by having 4 elements stacked, giving a greater chance of catching the signal.
Don't jump in to anything, keep posting concerns, The more responses you get the better.
I have a few more thoughts I will post in a day or two..
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Thank you again, Foxeng and Difuse!

Difuse: The trees are very tall in the back yard, but they're not extremely thick. It's hard to explain without taking a picture of the backyard (I had actually thought about doing that,) but you can see my In-Laws' house through the woods and next to their house was land that recently had been cleared of trees. So, it's really only about 25 to 30 yards of trees in the backyard that are tall, but not very thick. I was able to pick up a few channels with a pair of broken rabbit ears at the house when I first moved in - channels like WGHP and WFMY, and a couple others. I'm confident that if I can at least pick those up with an indoor antenna that was partially broken, I should do better with a more powerful outdoor antenna that is mounted to the roof of the house.

I will say, probably in my case, mounting it to the back deck wouldn't be an option, because of the trees, my house, and thicker trees to the right of my house, and another house to the left of me. So, I'm thinking I'll at least need to have it mounted to the roof of the house. How high? Well, that's what I'm trying to figure out and hopefully some more responses from you guys (who know a heck of a lot more about this stuff than I do) will help me figure this out. Again, what's most important for me is to be able to pick up Roanoke stations, and while I'm no good with directions, if my backyard is facing Kernersville, then the left side of my house is probably facing north / northeast, which appears to be unobstructed. Basically if you can picture this, my road would run parallel to route 68 north.
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One more thing, I know satellite dishes work differently from TV antennas, but my satellite dish was installed on the backside of my house (on the roof) facing toward the west (I think). Which means, it was having to rich the satellite through the trees. Again, I know those dishes work differently than antennas and it may not make a difference, but just figured that piece of info might be enough to determine my success with using a roof top Antenna.
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One more thing, I know satellite dishes work differently from TV antennas, but my satellite dish was installed on the backside of my house (on the roof) facing toward the west (I think). Which means, it was having to rich the satellite through the trees. Again, I know those dishes work differently than antennas and it may not make a difference, but just figured that piece of info might be enough to determine my success with using a roof top Antenna.
For satellite to work you MUST have direct line of sight with NO obstacles in the path. OTA is not quite THAT bad. The biggest issue with shooting through trees is multipath where the signal bounces around the leaves and arrives at different times and so your TV doesn't know which one to lock on if there are too many or to far apart. That is exactly what analog ghosting was. The same signal being reflected and reaching your antenna slightly delayed from the main signal.

Biggest thing I have seen (and not always, just depends on many things, location, location, location) with shooting through trees is you might get some breakup during strong winds as the trees blow around and you might need to slightly change the point where your antenna aims from summer to winter as the leaves come and go (a degree or two usually).

Analog had the same issues, they were not as evident as they are with digital.

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For satellite to work you MUST have direct line of sight with NO obstacles in the path. OTA is not quite THAT bad. The biggest issue with shooting through trees is multipath where the signal bounces around the leaves and arrives at different times and so your TV doesn't know which one to lock on if there are too many or to far apart. That is exactly what analog ghosting was. The same signal being reflected and reaching your antenna slightly delayed from the main signal.

Biggest thing I have seen (and not always, just depends on many things, location, location, location) with shooting through trees is you might get some breakup during strong winds as the trees blow around and you might need to slightly change the point where your antenna aims from summer to winter as the leaves come and go (a degree or two usually).

Analog had the same issues, they were not as evident as they are with digital.
I can second the opinion about summer and winter positioning as I do it too.

I know that radio signals are NOT the same as the TV signals and can't be judged apples for apples. HOWEVER, if you have a strong signal from the Roanoke radio stations at your location, it means you have decent penetration from the transmitter locations into your area. Results will vary by location, but if you can get 89.1 WVTF (who doesn't?), 94.9 WSLC, 99.1 WSLQ, interruptions on 92.3, etc you at least have a better chance of receiving the TV signals. If WAKG 103.3 Danville is somewhat discernable, maybe WGPX and WGSR will creep into your neighborhood.
I will say it again - I know radio is not the same as TV. But I have experienced using radio as a guide to help judge what I should get and it's usually correct. Another thing I am trying to say, if a mountain is blocking the radio signal from Roanoke, good luck with TV.
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Related to the "Washington NFL club", I see that WRAZ Fox 50 already has their games listed for week 1. They are showing the Redskins @ Texans game at 1pm, according to the guide on the Directv AM21 and the 4:30 Panthers game. Maybe WGHP will air the same so you will be able to watch it then. I get the Roanoke radio stations very well in Burlington and the WDBJ and WSET signals are strong enough sometimes to get with my poorly positioned antenna (9 feet off the ground) in a low point in an apartment complex. The laudromat up the road uses OTA on their TV and WDBJ is the only CBS in there that doesn't pixel. I haven't been in there for over 2 years, but I remember that and found it odd but it's hopeful for the poster looking to receive Roanoke.

I find myself rooting against locals carrying NFL games because the Sunday Ticket feeds have much superior picture quality than local feeds, but I know that's not a practical solution for most people. Fox 8 isn't so bad, but WFMY is great at ruining a game. If I am blacked out of the Sunday Ticket feed and WRAL is showing something else, I am stuck with WFMY's horrible audio and washed out local breaks. Is their "News" really HD? I would never guess. How is WFMY allowed to suck so bad all the time?

It breaks my heart as a Colts fan to see Clowney on the Texans, since I am also a Carolina (South - not the blue ones) fan. Connor Shaw in Manziel's shadow is infuriating to me, too - but I will now go on topic.

Not to start anything again, but I hope that the NFL games on WGHP are accurate in the guide unlike the MLB fiasco earlier this year.
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One more thing, I know satellite dishes work differently from TV antennas, but my satellite dish was installed on the backside of my house (on the roof) facing toward the west (I think). Which means, it was having to rich the satellite through the trees. Again, I know those dishes work differently than antennas and it may not make a difference, but just figured that piece of info might be enough to determine my success with using a roof top Antenna.
I think you would do well to get a TVFOOL report and post it on this group:
http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29
Use as exact a location as you can.
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I think you would do well to get a TVFOOL report and post it on this group:
http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29
Use as exact a location as you can.
Went there yesterday. That report seems really thorough to me and explained exactly what to look for and so forth. Very, very helpful! The Roanoke channels seem very doable coming from the report.
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Went there yesterday. That report seems really thorough to me and explained exactly what to look for and so forth. Very, very helpful! The Roanoke channels seem very doable coming from the report.
I take it most of the Roanoke stations were green on the report?
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For satellite to work you MUST have direct line of sight with NO obstacles in the path. OTA is not quite THAT bad. The biggest issue with shooting through trees is multipath where the signal bounces around the leaves and arrives at different times and so your TV doesn't know which one to lock on if there are too many or to far apart. That is exactly what analog ghosting was. The same signal being reflected and reaching your antenna slightly delayed from the main signal.

Biggest thing I have seen (and not always, just depends on many things, location, location, location) with shooting through trees is you might get some breakup during strong winds as the trees blow around and you might need to slightly change the point where your antenna aims from summer to winter as the leaves come and go (a degree or two usually).

Analog had the same issues, they were not as evident as they are with digital.
Ah, so it's the opposite of what I was thinking. The dish seems to be pointing directly through the trees. Only time the satellite goes out is during a rain storm. Makes me think that I should have pretty good luck with the antenna. I remember the old days of using an antenna and rotor. You are right about the seasons. Seems like I remember those stations never tuning in at the same spot during both summer and winter. Back in those days, I lived in Bassett, VA - way back in the rural areas of Bassett. We picked up WGHP 8 (Which was ABC back then), WFMY 2 (CBS), WDBJ 7 (Also CBS), WXII 12 (NBC), WSLS 10 (Roanoke NBC) - which wasn't always the clearest of pictures but watchable, and on an occasion we could pick up WSET 13 (ABC out of Lynchburg), but it was snowy! Oh, and the the two UHF channels, 48 and 45! Those were the days! At news time at 6, we'd watch Channel 8 news with Fred Blackman and Carol......(can't remember her last name). We'd watch Frank Deal's weather forcast, and then switch it to WDBJ 7 to watch their weather report with Robin Reed and sports. On Saturdays, I'd watch wrestling on WXII - mid Atlantic Wrestling, and then tune in at 6Pm to channel 48 to watch the repeats of wrestling, Mama's Family, and something else.

Wow, this antenna stuff sure takes a man back in memory lane!
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I take it most of the Roanoke stations were green on the report?
Well, no. Some were yellow. The Fox station was yellow. But that seemed to indicate to me using a good roof mounted antenna with a pre-amp to reel those suckers in.
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Related to the "Washington NFL club", I see that WRAZ Fox 50 already has their games listed for week 1. They are showing the Redskins @ Texans game at 1pm, according to the guide on the Directv AM21 and the 4:30 Panthers game. Maybe WGHP will air the same so you will be able to watch it then. I get the Roanoke radio stations very well in Burlington and the WDBJ and WSET signals are strong enough sometimes to get with my poorly positioned antenna (9 feet off the ground) in a low point in an apartment complex. The laudromat up the road uses OTA on their TV and WDBJ is the only CBS in there that doesn't pixel. I haven't been in there for over 2 years, but I remember that and found it odd but it's hopeful for the poster looking to receive Roanoke.

I find myself rooting against locals carrying NFL games because the Sunday Ticket feeds have much superior picture quality than local feeds, but I know that's not a practical solution for most people. Fox 8 isn't so bad, but WFMY is great at ruining a game. If I am blacked out of the Sunday Ticket feed and WRAL is showing something else, I am stuck with WFMY's horrible audio and washed out local breaks. Is their "News" really HD? I would never guess. How is WFMY allowed to suck so bad all the time?

It breaks my heart as a Colts fan to see Clowney on the Texans, since I am also a Carolina (South - not the blue ones) fan. Connor Shaw in Manziel's shadow is infuriating to me, too - but I will now go on topic.

Not to start anything again, but I hope that the NFL games on WGHP are accurate in the guide unlike the MLB fiasco earlier this year.
Since my team is an NFC team, most of the games are shown on FOX. I haven't really been too disappointed with the quality of the feeds. NFL Sunday Ticket is great, and I would be willing to pay for it if I could get it without having to have a subscription to satellite or cable. But, I'd hate to think that all this effort I'm putting into OTA would be all for not. Watching Washington play is my biggest "sports" need. If I was a huge baseball fan, pro basketball fan, hockey, etc....then I'd probably just have to work two jobs to support my sports addiction, lol!
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Well, no. Some were yellow. The Fox station was yellow. But that seemed to indicate to me using a good roof mounted antenna with a pre-amp to reel those suckers in.
TVFool has two different features that use different color schemes.

The feature that most people post in this forum is the report than shows a list of stations and a graphic indicating their positions on a compass. In that report, the stations in green might be available with just an indoor antenna, the yellow stations possibly with an attic mount, and the red ones with an outdoor antenna.

On the coverage maps feature, you can see the coverage areas of stations that are nearby and stations that are farther away. On those coverage maps, which only appear when you select the radio button for the station of interest, red and yellow are strong, and you move toward the blue and purple colors when you get into fringe areas.

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TVFool has two different features that use different color schemes.

The feature that most people post in this forum is the report than shows a list of stations and a graphic indicating their positions on a compass. In that report, the stations in green might be available with just an indoor antenna, the yellow stations possibly with an attic mount, and the red ones with an outdoor antenna.

On the coverage maps feature, you can see the coverage areas of stations that are nearby and stations that are farther away. On those coverage maps, which only appear when you select the radio button for the station of interest, red and yellow are strong, and you move toward the blue and purple colors when you get into fringe areas.
Exactly! I do remember seeing most of those Roanoke channels in the yellow, which according to TVfool's legend, means those stations are doable with an attic antenna. If I thought I could pick those up just fine installing in the attic, I would do. Only thing is, if I install in the attic and then reception is not as good as I had hoped, then I'd hate to invest in more time to take the antenna down and to install on the roof. So, I'm definitely thinking outdoor installation all the way.

Unless I'm getting this report mixed up with one of the other ones from the other sites I've visited, the stations that I probably wouldn't be able to pick up would be those in Charlotte or a bit further south. I'd have to look at the report again to see which stations it said I pretty much had no chance to reach.

So, stupid question, but when you guys say to post my report, are you talking about posting the report on the TVFool's website or posting it here? Sorry to ask. I haven't had coffee yet this morning, lol!
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