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TWC is requiring set-top boxes in the Triangle starting May 5th.
I wonder if Google will. Where are they? I'm ready to have an installer truck working my street!
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TWC are moving all channels to digital in order to compete with Google. Freeing all that bandwidth is the only way they can bump up the internet speeds to Maxx levels. Some of that should arrive this summer but Google is still years away.

I'm curious if they'll scramble all the clear QAM and ATSC. Usually this is a good excuse to force all the internet-only subs into a TV package by blocking every channel being sent down the pipes.


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I wonder if Google will. Where are they? I'm ready to have an installer truck working my street!
Any internet-based streaming TV service will require some type of set-top box, so I am sure Google will also. AT&T uVerse does also. Now it is just a race, I guess, to see which gigabit service makes it to my Cary neighborhood first. But I agree, they cannot get to my neighborhood soon enough!
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Any internet-based streaming TV service will require some type of set-top box, so I am sure Google will also. AT&T uVerse does also. Now it is just a race, I guess, to see which gigabit service makes it to my Cary neighborhood first. But I agree, they cannot get to my neighborhood soon enough!
i am ready for google fiber too. hopefully it will be months and not years!

I don't have access to AT&T yet (i have seen trucks in the area). However, I checked their website and it looked to me to be crazy expensive compared to google fiber. also, i read some disclaimers about data caps. i personally don't want anything to do with data caps.

Google TV does require box(es). A network interface box is required for internet. in addition if you get TV, you get a storage box that has the tuners and hard drive for storing content. and then each TV gets its own TV box to pull content from the storage box.
https://fiber.google.com/devices/

The tv box can even serve as wifi access points to get better wifi coverage in your house.
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TWC are moving all channels to digital ...
I'm curious if they'll scramble all the clear QAM and ATSC. Usually this is a good excuse to force all the internet-only subs into a TV package by blocking every channel being sent down the pipes.

I'm not sure that I understand what you mean. I thought that a TV set's ATSC tuner was used only to tune OTA signals received via antenna, and that the ATSC tuner had no role whatsoever in tuning any station delivered via cable. I could be wrong about that, but I certainly hope that TWC has not become so powerful that it is able to scramble the broadcast signals that are transmitted through the atmosphere!

I do understand that digital cable signals that are not encrypted can be tuned by the set's internal QAM tuner, but it is my understanding that the FCC has given cable systems permission to encrypt those signals (including local broadcast stations that are carried by the system) once the system is converted entirely to digital.

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Requiring the STB's ( the mini DTAs if you will) will allow TWC to require a box to receive ANY TV programming - and I'd bet on it happening. I've been expecting this for the better part of 15 years now, if nothing else - it will stop watching cable without a subscription.

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Requiring the STB's ( the mini DTAs if you will) will allow TWC to require a box to receive ANY TV programming - and I'd bet on it happening. I've been expecting this for the better part of 15 years now, if nothing else - it will stop watching cable without a subscription.
Weren't there already ways for the cable company to make sure that only subscribers could receive the programming? It's hard to believe that cable companies were unable to control access to their services.
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I'm not sure that I understand what you mean. I thought that a TV set's ATSC tuner was used only to tune OTA signals received via antenna, and that the ATSC tuner had no role whatsoever in tuning any station delivered via cable. I could be wrong about that, but I certainly hope that TWC has not become so powerful that it is able to scramble the broadcast signals that are transmitted through the atmosphere!
No you are correct, I meant that as the differentiator between all the basic cable channels and local networks TWC distribute together. I was just using lazy shorthand.


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No you are correct, I meant that as the differentiator between all the basic cable channels and local networks TWC distribute together. I was just using lazy shorthand.
In the "analog cable" package that TWC is now discontinuing, there actually were some unencrypted ("clear QAM") digital channels, but many of them were simply duplicates of the corresponding analog channels.

Some people may actually have been watching an analog channel, not even realizing that a digital channel had the same show in high definition.

But, as you say, the digital channels tended to just be the local stations and some government information channels (the latter being just in standard definition). TWC certainly was not offering ESPN or other popular "cable channels" in unencrypted digital format. If you wanted ESPN in digital, you had to pony up for the digital cable package with the set-top box.

If you had "analog cable", then you only got ESPN in analog standard definition, which usually looks even fuzzier than digital standard definition.


I know some people who still think that the whole transition to digital channels is some kind of conspiracy to make life more complicated than it needs to be,

As for me, I'm happy with just the beautiful digital transmissions (carrying both high def and standard def programming) that are now available OTA.

Who needs cable?
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i am ready for google fiber too. hopefully it will be months and not years!

I don't have access to AT&T yet (i have seen trucks in the area). However, I checked their website and it looked to me to be crazy expensive compared to google fiber. also, i read some disclaimers about data caps. i personally don't want anything to do with data caps.
That may be changing....there has been discussion that AT&T is modifying its prices and offerings in order to try and stay competitive with the coming Google fiber. Which is also why TWC is suddenly going all digital and offering people more bandwidth at the same price point. After years of little to no competition.....Google is disrupting the internet/cable monopolies. About time, I say!
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if i am not mistaken, back in the day before digital even existed, cable companies were required to offer a basic access package that had to include the local channels. they could not be encrypted so that anyone could buy a cable ready tv, subscribe to the service, hook it up to the wall, and not have to pay an additional cost for a set top box. I believe it was ok for the cable company to encrypt the local OTAs as long as they provided a box to decode them for free. rather than providing free boxes, the cable companies used to not encrypt, but instead put analog traps on the poles for the households that did not subscribe. note that it was legal for them to encrypt pay channels ... just not local OTA broadcasts.

when digital came around, the requirement was still in place. they could not encrypt local OTA broadcasts. they had to broadcast them in clear QAM so anyone could go to the store, buy a TV with a QAM tuner, subscribe to the basic package and get local channels over cable. i think a passive trap on the pole was not sufficient for blocking the QAM channels because it interfered with the internet access that was being paid for. that is why people who just subscribe to internet can/could still get locals (and some other junk that the cable company didn't feel inclined to encrypt) without technically subscribing to a TV package.

i am not sure, but i think the requirement for ANALOG access without having to pay for a set top box is going away (may still be a few years from now). but at this time, i think it is still in place. so i think they have to provide free access via a set top box if they no longer provide a clear analog signal. i don't know if/when the "in the clear" requirement sunsets for locals provided over digital QAM.
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i am not sure, but i think the requirement for ANALOG access without having to pay for a set top box is going away (may still be a few years from now). but at this time, i think it is still in place. so i think they have to provide free access via a set top box if they no longer provide a clear analog signal. i don't know if/when the "in the clear" requirement sunsets for locals provided over digital QAM.
Well, most cable systems are looking to get rid of analog in the very near future.
In fact, many cable systems have already gone entirely digital.

And the FCC has already adjusted its regulations, granting systems the permission to encrypt absolutely everything once the system has completely eliminated analog service,

http://www.fcc.gov/document/commissi...on-prohibition
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