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from http://www.nba.com/schedules/schedule_030729.html
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NBA TV will televise 96 regular-season games during its four-nights-a-week schedule, and projects at least 50 of those games will be televised in High Definition.

Sounds like about 2 live games a week in HD!

Here is the AVSForum thread about NBATV in General
NBATV thread

Also some more news about HD service.
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NBA TV is now in HD seven days a week. Viewers with HD capability can experience NBA TV's daily lineup, which includes: NBA games, original programming and highlights, and some of the greatest games in NBA history. Daily HD programming airs 4-6 pm ET weekdays and 10 am-12 pm ET on weekends. NBA TV's daily HD lineup is available on channel 198 for DIRECTV customers and on channel 9425 for DISH Network customers.

Curious to see what we have here...

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Has anyone (especially our resident Cox Cable info specialist, Vegggas) heard of Cox providing IN Demand's HD channel that is supposed to launch September 15th? I currently subscribe to the MLB package and was quite curious about Cox's status on this.
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It's still a crap shoot until the day it launches. The guys doing the HD stuff are very quiet about such things and NEVER announce what's going on. During a conversation with the "big man" at COX earlier this year, I was told as channels become available, we should see them "appear". Also, that there were a lot of "open" contracts that prevent announcements from being made.
All carriage info is based on corporate agreements and INHD is already an agreed partner, so it SHOULD be here on launch day. I don't know why we are not seeing the current preview, unless it has something to do with the rebuilding of the lineup and addition of all the other channels.
I only got the announcment about NBATV, because it was a done deal and flyers were printed to go out in the mail. Aside from that, all I heard before was that it was coming eventually.
Local policy seems to be wait and see...

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Thanks for the info.
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Originally posted by vegggas
Of those, only about half of them keep up with this thread. Some of those others are one-offs or became members just to ask a single question.

Oh well. Here's to the [ 20 ] local, loyal members we have here!

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I am one of the occasional (okay... rare) posters in this thread. But... I do read all the content. I don't use COX for my TV viewing, and since most of this thread is about COX HD.... I have no comment. I enjoy OTA HD, and being able to time shift HD content is very important to me. (My Mitz HDTV has built in HD tuner, firewire connected to my Mitz D-VHS) I use DirecTV for my SD viewing, with a DirecTivo. The HD DirecTV PVR's are supposed to be out in Q1-2004. Then I'll be able to time shift DirecTV HD and SD, as well as OTA HD, all onto one PVR.

If COX currently offered a way to time shift HD content, I'd consider switching. But since I can receive and time shift the locals with my existing hardware, it would have to be an awfully good package to make me switch.

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No insults implied
I was just explaining that out of the thousands of HD viewers (either COX, SAT, or OTA only) here in Vegas there are only a fractionally small amount of members. I know there are over 5000 cable users and if sat holds a 20% market share, there should be another 1000 of those here too. Add in the OTA only people and we know there has to be at least 6000 users. Sadly, only 40 unique local members were counted on this thread, and some of them were from California or other parts of the country just in town for a short time, or visiting.
When the comment was made about wondering why there were not hundreds of postings, it's basically because not many local viewers are members.
Also, for the record, this thread has seemed to turn into a COX thread, but still is for all Las Vegas HD. We are lucky enough here to have a great cable HD system that is considered one (if not the best) of the top HD providers in the country and was even chosen as the HD model for all other cable systems by the FCC.
As for time shifting, all of the hardware is ready. Everyone is awaiting copyright decisions to be made regarding Pay TV services. Once finalized, expect to see dozens of products appear simultaneously, with cable lagging about two weeks because of local distribution and software deployment that's needed to operate the DVR with the IPG.

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No Fox 5 KVVU OTA Widescreen!, for St. Louis @ New York G.
When I check thru satellite its there. Very impressive picture.
I called the news dept. 436-5700. (435-5555 Bs. hours).
The female answering was very rude! and continued to downgrade
me knowledge.
Is Cox getting it right?
Could we please start a campaign of calls. We should't be getting
the short end of somebody not informed or caring about the
quality of their work.
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Fox does not do HD locally.
Local FOX does not supply COX with any digital signal, only analog so there is no digital carriage.
Fox on cable is standard analog 4x3 material.

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edit: Other fox stations are having widescreen problems too. It may be an incorrect flag and the station needs to do something. Others have had success. Try again and escalate if you get no response, assuming fox does do widescreen here.

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edit again: Second game is also sd 4x3. Called the number and asked about it too. They (probably the same woman) said they are unable to do widescreen and FOX controls it. Using Samsung T150, I only get SD 4x3 flag and can't change to widescreen.
That was fun... Anybody else want to call?
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Originally posted by vegggas
No insults implied

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None taken. I agree that COX has an outstanding HD program here in Vegas. If I hadn't spent a ton of money on DirecTV hardware while living in CA.... I might be on COX now.

Hopefully more local network affiliates will start sending an HD signal soon. I got spoiled living in Orange County with ABC, CBS, NBC, FOX, & WB all having HD OTA broadcasts. Luckily most of my favorite HD prime time shows are on CBS.

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Any word on when NBC is going to be HD? They have got to be close now.

Or Fox?

Or WB?
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I thought the local ABC affiliate was not able to pass DD 5.1, and instead had a DD2.0 signal, so I never thought about it much when the DIGITAL light came on. Tonights game sounded pretty good, so I turned of off all DSP modes and went straight DD. I then turned off the main and center speakers and I definately heard separated stereo stadium surround from the rears. I could hear the one guy keep coughing in the rear right and an easily identifiable clap in the rear left.

How long have we had DD5.1 on ABC???

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They have had it all along. It was CBS that can't pass DD5.1.
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Ahhh, Thanks.
I usually leave the receiver in an enhanced DSP mode, and hadn't bothered to change it much, except for movies (laziness left that to chance too). Also, I don't watch ABC that much, so I couldn't remember. I've never really cared about DD for locals, but it does sound good when you can take out the announcers.

BTW - I've heard no info at all about any more locals going HD. Maybe NBC is awaiting next years budget?

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For what it's worth, I contacted the local NBC affiliate via e-mail this past January and got this response from Mr. Paul Heine:

No timetable has been established yet. Our first objective is to meet FCC
timelines that require that we provide an ATSC signal on Channel 2. At
first, that will be in standard definition. We are pricing out other
options of getting a high-definition and greater than two channel sound to
our audience. Please understand that this process involves switching two
entirely different audio and video streams simultaneously in our control
room, then getting an HDTV signal to at least one remote location. Ballpark
estimates are in the half-million dollar range.


Hope this helps.
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lionsfan, I don't have one (or any HD stuff at all yet,), but I've read good things about the Zenith ZHDTV1 indoor antenna. Supposed to be way better than the terk. Price is about $25. Perhaps if your friend buys one, you could let us know if it works any better tahn his present setup?


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Need help with OTA antenna, friend just purchased a sony hd200 directv unit. He is located near G.V pkwy and wigwam. What type of OTA antenna will work in this area. He tried a terk 42 and could only get 2 OTA channels.
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lionsfan, I don't have one (or any HD stuff at all yet,), but I've read good things about the Zenith ZHDTV1 indoor antenna. Supposed to be way better than the terk. Price is about $25. Perhaps if your friend buys one, you could let us know if it works any better tahn his present setup?


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Need help with OTA antenna, friend just purchased a sony hd200 directv unit. He is located near G.V pkwy and wigwam. What type of OTA antenna will work in this area. He tried a terk 42 and could only get 2 OTA channels.
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Which two OTA channels. If it's CBS and ABC you might be blocked by the mountain. Can you see both sets of antennas on the mountain.
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Benzman & lvthunder, made that post a while back. At the time he could only get fox & NBC OTA. He took the terk back and bought an RCA non amplied indoor antenna and was able to get all OTA channels. Guess he was to close for an amplified antenna. He has to tweek it once in a while but gets overall good siginal.
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INHD update:
It doesn't look good for the Sept 15th INHD launch. I'm hearing that corpoarate COX should have it soon, but it hasn't been finalized yet. Locally, there's a lot of channel re-mapping and adjusting going on that will set back the launch date here to possibly Nov or even Dec. I'm dissapointed about this as it's becoming a grreat HD sports venue.

DVR Update:
All indications point to a valley wide launch date before the end of the year (three months). The equipment should be the Scientific Atlanta 8000 DVRs. No mention of pricing or restrictions. Unfortunately, no mention of HD either, but that could be an oversite. I will have to scour the forum and websites to see if the 8000 is as HD compatible as once thought to be.

Full Digital lineup: Seems this could be the reason for doing a massive channel lineup and remapping of digital boxes. I think they want to get this out asap so that there will be a full digital lineup available for digital customers. Duplicating all the analog to digital takes up a lot of space to do it right, and things have to be juggled around to accomodate the signals. Good news is that it will all be delivered digiatally without ingress issues. Bad news is that they can't get rid of the analog signals until the original signal providers say it's ok to remove the analog feeds. Most contracts won't expire for a long time and they won't be able to reclaim that used/wasted space. Also, broadcasters know that their analog signals can reach more households than digital, and may drag their feet letting COX retransmit digitally.

NBATV: Official preview is OCT 4th and launch Oct 28th

BravoHD, StarzHD, CinemaxHD: No contracts available. Apparantly nobody has been able to sign a contracts yet, and all other work is not going to wait for those contracts. For now, it's a "wait and see what happens" situation. Once these are actually available, we might hear something.

Local NBCHD: Still not in the budget for upgrades, so we get to miss all the new fall shows in HD. They can no longer use the excuse of not having enough content like they did last year. HOPEFULLY, their 2004 budget will allow for the upgrades. Once purchased, expect a few months to get it online. If I were to guess, I would say March would be the earliest we might see anything from this network, although I would love to be wrong.

Other locals: Yeah right - no money this year, or it would have been done already. See above comments about NBCHD.

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Thanks for the update Vegggas. It is appreciated.


Any word on HDnet? I know that Mr. Cuban is now negotiating with Cox about carrying his HD channels.

I am crossing by fingers on HD PVR.

Also, who can we contact at NBC? It is unbelievable that CBS and ABC can afford to switch, but NBC can't....
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I'm thinking that analog channels wont go away until the whole plug-and-pray digital cable tv system is in place... 2006/7. But it would be wild to see how many channels Cox could provide with a pure digital lineup... 60 analog channels is like 600 SDTV channels, or 120 HD channels.
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From what I understand the analog bandwidth is already sold for 2007. So the migration should begin sooner that later. Exciting times ahead. Sit back, relax, enjoy!

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I think the analog bandwidth that you are referring to as having been sold is the bandwidth that is being used for OTA VHF/UHF transmissions. I don't think that has anything to do with what doormat was talking about, which is the bandwidth currently being used for analog cable tv. Once cox can force every cable subscriber to have a digital cable box, they can eliminate all the analog channels which would free up a ton of bandwidth for whatever they decide to use it for.

Someone correct me if I am wrong.

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Not wrong, but it's worse than that. The providers on the analog channels have to also give permission to be broadcast in a digital format. The way contracts have been made is that they are negotiated for a fee to hit X% amount of households. If those household viewers drop because they are being transmitted digitally, providers will not allow it until contracts are renegotiated. As long as viewers have analog TV's and do not want an STB, they have to keep a lot of wasted bandwidth to ensure analog coverage.

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I'm figuring the first ones to go digital are the low viewership channels. Knock off the 10 least viewed, non-required channels (ie CSPAN, UNLV's channel, etc), non-revenue generating channels (QVC, HSN -- they pay Cox to carry them) per year for the next 3 years. You'll be left with ESPN, Disney, MTV, etc in analog, say 30-40 channels, and the rest digital.
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OTA question. Is NBC-DT using low power or what. I live in Meadview, AZ, about 75 miles east of LV. I am getting PBS, ABC, CBS, and Fox in good shape but NBC is a mess. It was a real pleasure to watch to Cowboys last night in HD. The big antenna was worth the effort.

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I have a lot of problems picking up NBC-dt OTA too, and I live here! I think they are still low power while work is being done in the area. Hopefully others that rely mainly on antenna feeds will chime in with some advice. Currently, I use the equivelent of a coat hanger (2ft wire) for OTA reception, when needed for testing OTA signals.

Just curious, are you able to pull in any of the other Vegas digital stations? Like:
KINC-DT 16 UNIvision
KVWB-DT 22 WB
KFBT-DT 29 INDependent
KBLR-DT 40 TELemundo

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Although I know that INHD is being delayed here in Vegas, I noticed this bit of interesting info.
Llink to press release This shows that COX is one of the signed MSO's alowed to show INHD according to the contracts, but looking at their webpage located here at inhd.com the companies listed at the bottom do not show COX as an MSO currently showing the channel.
Hmmm... I also have not read of ANY COX MSO's getting the channel yet. I guess this could be more of a corporate issue then once thought. I was under the impression that locally there were channel lineup changes that would affect the launch date, but this is making me wonder if it is more widespread.
Hopefully we will not have to wait too long... At least NBATV is less than three weeks away. I wonder if they will co-launch the channels?

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Thanks for the info. I hope they get going. The wife if bugging me because she wants to watch her soaps in HD LOL.

No luck on any of the UHF channels.

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I get NBC-DT over the air, I use a terk 42 antenna mounted on my sat dish, NBC-DT comes in clear as a bell. I am located at Buffalo & Washington near Summerlin.

Hope that helps.
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Thanks for the info. I hope they get going. The wife if bugging me because she wants to watch her soaps in HD LOL.

No luck on any of the UHF channels.

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I hope you were kidding about the HD soaps, cause only CBS does that, and they're not half bad... NBC Vegas is Not HD, nor even any kind of upconvert, just a digital transmission of the analog signal. Have you tried the analog signal for comparison?
On a side note, If my old memory serves me right, channel 2, being the lowest broadcast frequency, will also have the shortest range for the same power output in VHF systems, thus having a smaller coverage area than a similar powered system on channel 13. Just a guess, but it could be plausible???
Good luck and let us know of any changes, but it sounds like no HD until the middle of next year.

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