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"Owners of WALA-TV, WFNA-TV, and WKRG-TV to merge their companies"
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It looks like that Comcast will be divesting their cable system in Mobile to a new joint venture company with Charter.....

I'm not expecting any improvement, because I've heard that Charter can be WORSE than Comcast.

Panama City looks to be unaffected, therefore remaining with Comcast.
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I just setup a AM21 on Directv and get everything but WALA. Its odd because the AM21 does not scan, they just have the channels for your market. Odd no Fox 10-1 on the Directv menu...

FYI, I swapped to a Wine guard Flatwave antenna in the living room, its on the wall right above my wall mounted tv and gets 3, 5, 15, 35 and 55 great in Theodore.

http://www.winegard.com/get-free-tv/hdtv-antenna/flatwave-amped/


It also got Fox 10 perfectly (something my larger wall mounted Antennas Direct antenna doesn't do right now) in the bedroom about 4 feet up in a window. Great reception for something so easy to deal with, just wish I could get fox on the AM21...

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I just setup a AM21 on Directv and get everything but WALA. Its odd because the AM21 does not scan, they just have the channels for your market. Odd no Fox 10-1 on the Directv menu...

FYI, I swapped to a Wine guard Flatwave antenna in the living room, its on the wall right above my wall mounted tv and gets 3, 5, 15, 35 and 55 great in Theodore.

http://www.winegard.com/get-free-tv/hdtv-antenna/flatwave-amped/


It also got Fox 10 perfectly (something my larger wall mounted Antennas Direct antenna doesn't do right now) in the bedroom about 4 feet up in a window. Great reception for something so easy to deal with, just wish I could get fox on the AM21...

The AM21 DOES scan. There is a lot of crap out there that says it doesn't but it would be impossible for it to know what you have it didn't scan. But what it does is this: it deletes everything that is not in the database and won't display it. Until last year, Genie receivers did not delete the "Extras" so everything you received OTA was shown, but if it wasn't in the database, "regular schedule" was displayed.

Try the inital set up again. This is what is in the database for your DMA:
639 WKRGDT 5.1
639 WKRGDT2 5.2
639 WKRGDT3 5.3
639 WALADT 10.1
639 WPMIDT 15.1
639 WPMIDT2 15.2
639 WDPMDT 18.1
639 WMPVDT 21.1
639 WMPVDT4 21.4
639 WSREDT 23.1
639 WSREDT2 23.2
639 WSREDT3 23.3
639 WSREDT4 23.4
639 WHBRDT 33.1
639 WFGXDT 35.1
639 WEIQDT 42.1
639 WEIQDT2 42.2
639 WEIQDT3 42.3
639 WJTCDT 44.1
639 WFBDDT 48.1
639 WAWDDT 49.1
639 WPANDT 53.1

If there are more subchannels that you want that are not there, you can force them in sometimes. It's really easy, but we'll cross that bridge when we come to it.
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The AM21 DOES scan. There is a lot of crap out there that says it doesn't but it would be impossible for it to know what you have it didn't scan. But what it does is this: it deletes everything that is not in the database and won't display it. Until last year, Genie receivers did not delete the "Extras" so everything you received OTA was shown, but if it wasn't in the database, "regular schedule" was displayed.

Try the inital set up again. This is what is in the database for your DMA:
639 WKRGDT 5.1
639 WKRGDT2 5.2
639 WKRGDT3 5.3
639 WALADT 10.1
639 WPMIDT 15.1
639 WPMIDT2 15.2
639 WDPMDT 18.1
639 WMPVDT 21.1
639 WMPVDT4 21.4
639 WSREDT 23.1
639 WSREDT2 23.2
639 WSREDT3 23.3
639 WSREDT4 23.4
639 WHBRDT 33.1
639 WFGXDT 35.1
639 WEIQDT 42.1
639 WEIQDT2 42.2
639 WEIQDT3 42.3
639 WJTCDT 44.1
639 WFBDDT 48.1
639 WAWDDT 49.1
639 WPANDT 53.1

If there are more subchannels that you want that are not there, you can force them in sometimes. It's really easy, but we'll cross that bridge when we come to it.

OK. I already wiped and tried again, but Ill do it once more and see what happens. Ive got the antenna set right now where I get 90-100 on 3, 5, 15, 35 and 55, so if its gonna pick fox up itll have to do it from there.

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OK. I already wiped and tried again, but Ill do it once more and see what happens. Ive got the antenna set right now where I get 90-100 on 3, 5, 15, 35 and 55, so if its gonna pick fox up itll have to do it from there.

I have to try at least 4 or 5 times to get my ABC in there... so don't give up!
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I have to try at least 4 or 5 times to get my ABC in there... so don't give up!

Can I just keep do initial setup, or do I have to wipe and reset every time?

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Can I just keep do initial setup, or do I have to wipe and reset every time?

You should almost always do the initial set up. It adds to what your receiver has stored. So if you rescan and it finds 10 but not one of the others, it other will stay. That is how you can add more than just two markets to your list. I have 4 in mine. I get 3 OTA and added los angeles to force in 40-3 and 40-4 which I have locally but not in the database. The guide data is wrong, but at least I can watch and record Bounce and Gettv on D*. Some people are lucky and they find missing channels that have another affiliate in the same channel that is in the database so the guide data is correct most of the time, but there is no Bounce on 40-3 or Gettv on 40-4 in the database.
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OK. I just did one and it still did not get it, will do several in a row and see what happens. Makes sense, the first one I ran only got 5 and 15, which made NO sense. I then deleted em all and reset the box.

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I just setup a AM21 on Directv and get everything but WALA. Its odd because the AM21 does not scan, they just have the channels for your market. Odd no Fox 10-1 on the Directv menu...

FYI, I swapped to a Wine guard Flatwave antenna in the living room, its on the wall right above my wall mounted tv and gets 3, 5, 15, 35 and 55 great in Theodore.

http://www.winegard.com/get-free-tv/hdtv-antenna/flatwave-amped/


It also got Fox 10 perfectly (something my larger wall mounted Antennas Direct antenna doesn't do right now) in the bedroom about 4 feet up in a window. Great reception for something so easy to deal with, just wish I could get fox on the AM21...

You could just set up a secondary market that receives Fox on VHF 9 like WALA. WPGX in Panama City should work. The guide won't match up for everything, but the national Fox programming should. Just re-do the initial set up and add 32466 as your secondary market ZIP.
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Thanks. After 5 scans it never got 10, so Im using my tv right now to see if I am actually even getting 10 in the living room. Might have to play with the placement.

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I cant get on TV tuner either. Its odd, my antennas direct in the living room always got 10 but not reliably, just 20 feet away this flatwave got 10 perfectly, now cannot get in living room. Ah well, at least I have most of em.

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I cant get on TV tuner either. Its odd, my antennas direct in the living room always got 10 but not reliably, just 20 feet away this flatwave got 10 perfectly, now cannot get in living room. Ah well, at least I have most of em.

That's why you can't get it on the AM21. When your TV tuner is receiving it, try it then.
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That's why you can't get it on the AM21. When your TV tuner is receiving it, try it then.

WALA isn't included in the channels hardwired into the AM21 so even if you get Fox 10 perfectly it won't show up in the list of local channels unless you do the secondary market workaround trick sore_bluto mentioned.

I had this same problem when I first got D* hooked up a few years ago. My AM21 died before I could try out the Panama City workaround for myself and I just never got it replaced. All I really miss from OTA integration is Create and MeTV.
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WALA is is the database, I posted it above. You can look for yourself on the DBStalk site.
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Fox has rarely been a problem OTA from my house as I live only a few miles from the transmitter. But for some reason WALA and only WALA totally blew up on Mediacom cable last night while I was watching 24. Horrible pixelization morphing into no picture at all. Switched to the antenna and signal was perfect. No problems on any other cable channel.

Since I assume Mediacom gets the signal OTA, I wonder if atmospheric conditions might have affected the signal.

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Ive never had much luck with WALA in Theodore (McDonald Road north of I10) but get most of the other channels at full SS with little effort.

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WALA is is the database, I posted it above. You can look for yourself on the DBStalk site.

How do you get it with the am21 then without putting in a Panama City zip code? Unless something has changed in the last year or two it doesn't show up in any Mobile, Baldwin or Escambia County zip codes I tried.
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How do you get it with the am21 then without putting in a Panama City zip code? Unless something has changed in the last year or two it doesn't show up in any Mobile, Baldwin or Escambia County zip codes I tried.

What is your Directv receiver, out of curiosity?

Does the TV tuner get WALA? If so, how clearly? WALA is a VHF RF channel (9) and that's not always the easiest to get. The AM21 needs a clean signal to pick it up.
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What is your Directv receiver, out of curiosity?

Does the TV tuner get WALA? If so, how clearly? WALA is a VHF RF channel (9) and that's not always the easiest to get. The AM21 needs a clean signal to pick it up.

It's a Genie, although I'm not sure of the exact model and don't really wanna turn on the TV this morning to find out. The TV tuner had no problems with WALA.

What I'm saying is in the setup, I put in my local zip and it downloads a list of channels the AM21 can see, and WALA was not in that list the last time I tried. It's not in the list of any Mobile, Baldwin or Escambia (FL) county zip codes I put in. There is no option that I'm aware of on the Genie to add in channels that aren't in the pre-populated list. Maybe some newer AM21 does this, or newer Genie software updates allow this, I don't know. My AM21 was several years old and quit working shortly after I put it back in service. I have no bothered to seek a replacement since there was no easy way to get WALA, although NOW I know about the zip trick in adding Panama City, since they also have a station on RF channel 9.

Maybe some DirecTV receivers can force the AM21 to tune channels other than what downloads from DirecTV, but the Genie (and my previous box, an HR-xx something or other) that I had 5 years ago could not do that.
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Here is an interesting story from the Birmingham market involving the ramifications of a Sinclair Broadcasting proposal to buy Albritton stations, which would involve moving the ABC affiliation of 33/40 to channel 68, now owned by Albritton. It does not sound like an appealing scenario for Birmingham, but it could portend the kinds of changes to come in the Mobile market in the future as the large communication companies consolidate.

What is good for the big boys is not necessarily good for the local folk.

ABC 68?

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I'm curious about the current arrangement that Sinclair has in our market. They own WEAR and WFGX, but also operate WPMI and WJTC under one of the now-forbidden JSAs, right? Does this mean Sinclair's agreement here is grandfathered in, or will they have to make some changes in the future? WPMI and WJTC are owned by Deerfield Media; I don't know what kind of resources they have to put into running these stations if Sinclair drops out.
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Every one of your questions is valid, and I have wondered the same thing. My guess is that the already- approved agreements are in fact grandfathered in. But if the FCC changes its mind at some point, think about the shuffling that would or could take place. It is not reassuring.

Did you see in the linked story that one station in South Carolina, a network affiliate, went dark under one of acquisition arrangements?

I tend not to be too sympathetic with the large broadcast entities that have overpaid for multiple licenses across the country and then later decide that some of the investments were not such a good idea. What may be an economic plus for a big entity in dumping a property can have devastating consequences to a local market.

I am historically involved in one of the stations that was a precursor to 33/40. In college and law school, I was a news reporter and anchor for channel 33, WCFT, in Tuscaloosa, then a CBS affiliate owned by the same entity that owned WDAM, Channel 7 in Hattiesburg. Channel 40 was an Anniston TV station. The current 33/40 combined the those two UHFs and is now based in Birmingham and is an ABC affiliate. It has a very strong local news program and the best known weatherman in Birmingham, James Spann. Of course, Tuscaloosa and Anniston lost their local network affiliates in the transition. They tore down the old studios and broadcast tower in Tuscaloosa last year, even though the station had been dark for a long time.

I know you can't stop "progress". But what may be progress for some is regression to others. Dumping will inevitably have a much more adverse impact on smaller markets. Birmingham is a top 50 market. If it winds up getting the short end of the shuffling arrangement up there, imagine how Mobile might be affected.

WCFT-TV's history went back to the 60's. Maybe the entrepreneurs who put it on the air did not make any money, but they gave a smaller town the chance to have its own TV station. It had a mobile unit that televised things like softball games! But by the time I worked there, and it had a network affiliation with CBS, it was damn well making money. And it was a local station that had a news operation that served Tuscaloosa and that the local folks looked to as a news source. It was their TV station, and it had a soul (an institutional soul) just like the local newspaper.

Those old "souls" are dying in today's broadcast culture, and I'm not happy about it.

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At least some of this consolidation has been brought on by the ability to multicast. From a beancounter's perspective, why operate five transmitters (21, 33, 40, 58 and 68) when you can operate just two (21 and 68)? It certainly saves on engineering and capex. I did see the aside about the South Carolina station and found it to be very bothersome. There is such a thing as having too many TV stations in a market — Mobile/Pensacola is an example of that — but Charleston is not at all crowded. They don't have any full power outlets for CW or Spanish language programming, or even TBN or other religious stuff that's so common in the south. For the right price, Sinclair could have spun off WCIV to Media General and made it the market's CW outlet, but it would not be cost effective. The combining of the two networks onto WMMP may jeopardize two subchannels: Zuus Country and MeTV may not be available if they decide to dedicate all the spectrum to two HD broadcasts. It just depends on what the engineers are willing to put out there, quality-wise.

By the way, depending on when you were at WCFT, I might have watched your reporting as a kid. I lived in Tuscaloosa from the late 70s to the late 80s, not two or three air miles from the WCFT tower and studios. I remember watching some of the newscasts with my parents (who alternated between 33 and 13 back then) but I don't really remember many of the on air personalities beyond Dave Baird and Kip Tyner. And I only remember those because Baird went on to 33/40 and Tyner because of his more recent… legal troubles.

Back then I seem to recall Tuscaloosa was separated from the Birmingham market and was its own TV DMA for a while. Something in the 170s? But that went away after 33/40 came together. I've been watching some YouTube videos showing various clips from WCFT and WDBB. Talk about memories!
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Small world! I knew Dave and Kip, going all the way back to Dave's radio days with WTBC in Tuscaloosa. I cannot remember if Dave had started with Channel 33 by the time I left, but I think he had. I could be wrong, but I am thinking he co-anchored with Tina Hartman. Tina preceded me at the station. I was at 33 from 1975 until 1977, when I left to take the news director job at channel 8 in Selma. I then had a stint as weekend anchor and weekday reporter with Channel 13, WAPI (now WVTM) from 1977 until starting law school in Tuscaloosa in 1978. I then went back to 33 and read the news for a couple of years while I was in law school.

Channel 8 was a fascinating story. That station was originally put on the air back in the early 60's (maybe the late 50's) by the folks who owned WBAM and WVOK, the Brennans. It is debatable whether Selma was large enough to support a TV station at that time. At any rate, the station burned to the ground and went dark for a number of years. It was not full power when it was on the air. The theory was that the Brennans got licensed as a low power VHF with the idea that they would try to move the transmitter half way between Montgomery and Selma, with a tall tower and full power, and become, in effect, another Montgomery station. They applied for the license changes, but this was back during the time when the FCC was somewhat protective of UHF stations, and Montgomery was in the odd position of having one VHF station (Channel 12) which dominated the market. It was an NBC affiliate. But the first television station to take to the air in Montgomery after the freeze was lifted was WCOV, channel 20, the CBS affiliate. WSFA signed on a few months later. The ABC station, and later a PBS station, were also UHFs. As you know, VHF licenses were coveted in the days of analog TV for their superior coverage.

Some Huntsville investors eyed channel 8 with the same idea that the Brennan's had. They bought the license for channel 8 in the mid 70's and put it back on the air. They populated it with used equipment, including the transmitter, that they scoured the country for. They were good business people and got the station back on the air for something around $800,000, which, even in that day was amazing. And they patiently prodded the FCC with petitions to move the station. In the early 80's, they got that permission. Up went the tall tower, at full power, half way between Montgomery and Selma. They sold the station at a huge profit. The moved station became the CBS affiliate.

All ancient history now. The UHF-VHF battles of the 50's and 60's are now irrelevant in light of the technical preference for UHF frequencies for HDTV. Channel 20 lives on as the Fox affiliate. Guess it got the last laugh!

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For the right price, Sinclair could have spun off WCIV to Media General and made it the market's CW outlet, but it would not be cost effective.

While I don't disagree with much of what you're saying here (Sinclair could have found a buyer, they didn't try very hard), Media-General couldn't have bought WCIV for the same reason Sinclair can't. Media-General already owns WCBD.

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Need help with an OTA antenna selection. My biggest problem has been receiving WALA. Your help/expertise/experience is appreciated.

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WFGX to get getTV on a subchannel soon:

http://www.tvtechnology.com/news/008...tations/271009

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^This gives me hope in the idea of WFGX-TV having a sub-channel for broadcasting all of ThisTV's programming.
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