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I Need Help!

I recently cut ties with Direct TV and can't get the channels I need to watch college football!
I need to pick up channel 4 NBC and channel 13 ABC as well as the rest of the networks.
I was looking at the HD Stacker by Denny's with a CM-7778, all new coax and a 1 to 3 splitter for three TV's. I will have about 100' of coax from the antenna to the furthest TV. The antenna will be mounted on the roof and I live on top of a hill, but have some tall trees between me and the broadcast towers. I live in the foothills and will have some trouble getting signal from the towers on the other side of the mountains.

Thank you in advance for the help!

I posted a link to the TVfools link associated with my address, but had to delete it do to the requirement of 5 posts before inserting a link. Address is Tryon, NC 28782. However I live quite a distance from Tryon.
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http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wr...d243b13a3b0159

Sorry I hated having to do that but I know how important the location is!
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Yeah, that's what you have to do to post your link. We're used to it.

Forget BOTH the stacker and the amplifier, neither is appropriate. The stacker has the long low-VHF elements that are useless in your area, plus it's more directional than desirable.

Try a Winegard HD1080 aimed pretty much due east and a bit north for your least expensive option. That particular antenna has the characteristic of having it's better VHF reception off the back rather than the front.

An upgraded option would be a DB4e with VHF add-on, also aimed eastward. See http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/show...&postcount=770 for an example.

You don't need an amp, your signals are already strong.

If the trees cause problems, make them into firewood. Your football games are more important!
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I recently cut ties with Direct TV and can't get the channels I need to watch college football!

If your primary objective is to watch College football, don't you pretty much have to have satellite or cable to watch some of their games?

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My team has a NBC contract so I'm lucky in that aspect. As for the tree, it is my only large oak to shade the house and if I burnt it in the wood stove my wife would probably place me in the fire with it!!!
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Would the HD-1080 be able to pick up WLOS 41.1 miles away through the mountains?
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Signals don't travel through mountains. A little bit bends over the mountain tops, but that's all.

WLOS doesn't put much power in your direction, odds are poor you'd get it even with a very large high-VHF antenna. You'd have to check to see if WLOS ever built their UHF 32 translator for your area (W32EO).
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Signals don't travel through mountains. A little bit bends over the mountain tops, but that's all.

WLOS doesn't put much power in your direction, odds are poor you'd get it even with a very large high-VHF antenna. You'd have to check to see if WLOS ever built their UHF 32 translator for your area (W32EO).
WLOS has not yet built this proposed translator. Also, you may receive a good NBC signal from WCNC-36 on RF22, according to that report, as well as WBTV-3 and WJZY FOX-46 from Charlotte.
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According to rabbitears.info, WYFF, an NBC affiliate, has a translator W11AH-D on RF11 serving the Tryon area, and your TVFool report does show that you have line-of-sight to that translator, but the signal could be weak and need amplification, and it could be subject to some co-channel interference. For some reason, the report says that WCNC from Charlotte is your strongest NBC signal, even at a distance of over fifty miles.
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I took the clearstream 2V that i still have and pointed it west to Charlotte. I was able to pick up NBC (36). It worked but with even a small bit of rain the signal would drop out during this past weekends game.
If i ran two clearstream 2V's back to back with a good preamp would it; a) get a better signal from NBC(36) and possibly WLOS(13) b) cause any ghosting c) over amplify any of the other strong signal channels?

I can mount them at opposite ends of the home to avoid interference. My concern would be how well this directional antenna is at being shielded from behind. Would i get ghosting to bad? Can I help the shielding in the rear. They would be mounted almost 180 degrees apart.
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Instead of 2 C2Vs, I would suggest a Clearstream 4, and then get the add on VHF element. And a preamp. Or even better, possibly a DB8e, with the add on VHF element. Point part of the antenna towards Charlotte, and the other part towards GSP. With a preamp such as Winegard LNA-200 or Channel Master 7778. But, your top choice may be 2 separate antennas, and an A/B switch. Such as a Winegard 7698 for Asheville/GSP, and a 91XG for Charlotte. Those are the 2 largest yagi style antennas in their respective categories.
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I like the idea of the DB8e and the add on vhf and pre amp........which vhf antenna would you recommend. How would you attach it. On the same mast or a different one? also which pre amp is better for about 100' of coax and a 1 to 3 splitter?
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I have ordered the antennas direct DB8e and a winegard lna-200. I will be trying to point the DB8e 180 degrees apart at both Greenville and Charlotte. If i don't get both I will choose one city to aim at. My question is if I purchase the Antennacraft Y5713 to point towards 7 and 13 should I combine them on the same mast or seperate them by some horizontal distance? I will be combining the Y5713 to the DB8e with a UVSJ and I don't believe I need to have equal length pieces of coax since the signals won't overlap.
I appreciate all of y'alls help in the design of my OTA system.

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I have ordered the antennas direct DB8e and a winegard lna-200. I will be trying to point the DB8e 180 degrees apart at both Greenville and Charlotte. If i don't get both I will choose one city to aim at. My question is if I purchase the Antennacraft Y5713 to point towards 7 and 13 should I combine them on the same mast or seperate them by some horizontal distance? I will be combining the Y5713 to the DB8e with a UVSJ and I don't believe I need to have equal length pieces of coax since the signals won't overlap.
I appreciate all of y'alls help in the design of my OTA system.

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You could aim the DB8e at Charlotte which should give you CBS, NBC, and FOX from Dallas. And maybe if you're lucky ABC and CW at times. Then point the Y57-13 towards GSP/Asheville which should get you CBS, PBS, and ABC. Join with the UVSJ and a short 1ft coax cable from Radioshack leading into the LNA-200 preamp. That should get you all the major networks from both markets. But if you also want 4 and 21, you will have to split the DB8e in 2 different directions, but the gain may be weakened. You can stack both antennas atop each other about 4 to 6 feet apart. But be sure and get a grounding block and copper wire.
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Does it make a difference which antenna gets mounted at the top? Am I better off with the uhf or vhf higher?
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When grounding the antenna to my ground rod, can I lay the copper wire directly on my shinges?

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When grounding the antenna to my ground rod, can I lay the copper wire directly on my shinges?
I think an electrician or engineer should answer that question because I am not sure about the grounding issue. But I believe you need a copper wire, a grounding block, and a grounding rod.
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Does it make a difference which antenna gets mounted at the top? Am I better off with the uhf or vhf higher?
That may require experimentation to see where you get the best signal. Often higher can be better, but not always. You can try it either way to see what height and position gets you the best signal on the DB8e, then add on the VHF antenna. But be sure the mast is properly secured. And if you have a splitter between the power supply and the preamp, be sure it is an Ideal digital cable/satellite power passing splitter from Home Depot or similar. The satellite splitter should not require DC blocks and should allow power to pass to the preamp.
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