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I have a DTC 100 and I am unable to receive 54-1 WB17. I am receiving 32-1 but since then I have lost WHYY. Has anyone else lost WHYY? I am on the other side of the Northeast Phila. Airport and have poor reception to begin with.
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Marco,

We may be on to something here. I receive 3,6 and 57 pretty good. Rarely I receive 10 and 29 (to be expected as they are on low power).

I find no evidence of 17 (54-1) on my DTC-100 (F38310).

I thought maybe 17 was not sending the PSIP information correctly so I disabled that. Still nothing. I understand some tuners react differently to incorrect PSIP information.

I still think because I receive 57 strong, I should at least have some evidence of 17.

Anyone else have this problem?

Thanks.
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This DTC-100 sub-thread makes me wonder whether you guys could try another type of decoder and test your theory ......
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We may be on to something here. I receive 3,6 and 57 pretty good. Rarely I receive 10 and 29 (to be expected as they are on low power). I find no evidence of 17 (54-1) on my DTC-100 (F38310).

I thought maybe 17 was not sending the PSIP information correctly so I disabled that. Still nothing. I understand some tuners react differently to incorrect PSIP information.

I still think because I receive 57 strong, I should at least have some evidence of 17.

Anyone else have this problem?

YES!

I'm in Reading, PA and have exactly the same situation that you describe.

Using a Dish 6000 and an outdoor CM 4228 I get about a 65-70% signal for WPSG, but not so much as a burp from WPHL. Same as you for 3,6,10,29.

Odd, huh?

Hey, Peter Putman...any thoughts?

It is by will alone I set my mind in motion...
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I get both in on the DTC-100 (in the F38310) with a signal strength of
84-88. (Approx 20 miles from towers)
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I may have figured out the problem. Looks like Ch. 17 is broadcasting in a north-south ellipitcal pattern vs. the circular pattern EVERY OTHER Philly station is using.

I seem to be just outside of this pattern.

This is the dumbest thing I have ever heard of. I can think of no conceivable reason for this.

Hopefully that WB 17 engineer can join so we can hear their side.
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I'm 70+ miles northeast of Philadelphia in West Orange,NJ.Digital 17 comes in strong at night,UPN just makes the light on the Samsung receiver flicker.KYW and WPVI are strong 24/7.
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Originally posted by pabuwal
I may have figured out the problem. Looks like Ch. 17 is broadcasting in a north-south ellipitcal pattern vs. the circular pattern EVERY OTHER Philly station is using.

I seem to be just outside of this pattern.

This is the dumbest thing I have ever heard of. I can think of no conceivable reason for this.

Hopefully that WB 17 engineer can join so we can hear their side.

I believe every engineer would want a circular pattern, but due to objects, such as other towers, antennas and even buildings or trees that patterns are effected.... perhaps 17's "odd shaped" pattern might be the result of this ..... or ... has been instructed to do so... because of possible interference with a pre-exsisting other facility of some type ???
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Originally posted by Randy Boecker
I'm wondering how many Dish 6000 owners are picking up 32-1 (WPSG) and where they are located? The engineer at KYW/WPSG seems to think that some STB's will be better at picking up the signal than others.

Randy.

I live not too far away from you in Lower Nazareth Township, near the Newburg Inn on route 191.

I have a DishNetwork 6000 connected to a Channel Master 4228 antenna with a Channel Master 7777 preamp and a Channel Master 9521 rotor.

I'm able to receive WPSG at 85% on my 6000.

Attached is information on all of the digital channels that I'm able to receive to date:

DIGITAL
CHANNEL STATION SIGNAL LEVEL
26 KYW 80%
64 WPVI 80%
67 WCAU 65%
23 WLYH 70%
54 WPHL 85%
42 WTXF 80%
43 WNJT 70%
46 WFMZ 75%
32 WPSG 85%
62 WLVT 75%
41 WVIA 85%

Also, my son-in law is able to receive WPSG in Wind Gap, PA on his Toshiba DST-3000 DirecTV receiver.

Hope this helps.

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Wow, you seem to be able to pick up all DT signals in the area. I can get most, not all, so I'm quite happy.

I get the following from Burlington (southern Jersey):
- 26-1 KYW 93-100% (back to normal now; last week was mid-70's)
- 32-1 WPSG 100%
- 42-1 WTXF 78%
- 43-1 WNJT (PBS station) 40%
- 52-1 (Another NJ PBS station) 40%
- 54-1 WPHL 100%
- 55-1 WHYY 76%
- 64-1 WPVI 100%
- 67-1 WCAU 44-54%

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Originally posted by rcodey
I'm 70+ miles northeast of Philadelphia in West Orange,NJ.Digital 17 comes in strong at night,UPN just makes the light on the Samsung receiver flicker.KYW and WPVI are strong 24/7.

rcodey,
what's your antenna and stb model?
thanks.
ben

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I too have DTC-100 (F-33810) and can get KYW @ 64% from NW-NJ, morris county, but not ABC. I plan on trying a Hughes E-86 receiver (a friend's) to determine whether or not it's the receiver or the antenna. I doubt it's the antenna I am using the CM 4228 equipped with the CM 7775 amp. I have a feeling it is the sensitivity of the receiver. I will let you know soon as I get aroung to testing.
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Folks,

It would help us a lot if, when posting reception reports, you include an address or nearby intersection. "Central NJ" isn't much help in locating you on a map.

Thanks!

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STB is Samsung 150.Antenna is Channel Master4248.My elevation is about 500ft,with antenna about 30ft. above ground on roof.I'm wondering if digital 32(UPN) is hampered by analog 31,just mile and a half away.Analog 31 and 34 are in West Orange since towers went down.
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Northeast Phila. Reception

I figured out my problem. I have a DTC100 and I was not getting any signal from 54-1(WPHL) and 55-1(WHYY). I had a Radio Shack 20db UHF in line amplifier to boost the signal, it helped when everyone was at low power. After removing the amplifier, I am now getting all the Phila DT Locals for 3, 6, 10, 12, 17, 29, 57. WCAU's signal is poor at 34%, WTXF at 52%, WHYY at 70%, everyone else is 82% and above.
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So when is WCAU (NBC) moving to the new tower? Last I heard it was the end of the month. Any updates? This is the only one left for me, as I get squat right now.
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I'm now getting WPHL and WPSG very well. Both look lovely, except:

WPHL 17-1 is showing all 4:3 material with the top and bottom cropped, to get a 16:9 picture. I'd really prefer to get 4:3 material in 4:3, and let me handle shapes with my TV or receiver. I can't receive what I'm missing with the way they're broadcasting it. I ended up switching back to the analog channel (well, really the DirecTV channel) because it was driving me nuts.

Brajash - WNJT 52-1 is the same as 43-3 and 43-4. For some reason, they broadcast the upconverted stuff on 43-3 during the day, and 52-1 is non-existent until they run the demo loop at night. I guess the PSIP needs to be fixed for the .3 and .4 channels.
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I'm now getting WPHL and WPSG very well. Both look lovely, except:

WPHL 17-1 is showing all 4:3 material with the top and bottom cropped, to get a 16:9 picture. I'd really prefer to get 4:3 material in 4:3, and let me handle shapes with my TV or receiver. I can't receive what I'm missing with the way they're broadcasting it. I ended up switching back to the analog channel (well, really the DirecTV channel) because it was driving me nuts.

If you look carefully, it is not 16:9. It is something like 14:9. You should still have thin (very thin) black bars on the left and right. Sometimes it is hard to see if the picture itself near the bars is black while you are watching.

I kind of like it (the 14:9). But I never really watch the digital channels unless it is an HDTV program (which would be 16:9). I don't see much of a gain in picture quality watching regular analog programming via the OTA channels vs. cable. Both are pretty lousy.

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I kind of like it (the 14:9). But I never really watch the digital channels unless it is an HDTV program (which would be 16:9). I don't see much of a gain in picture quality watching regular analog programming via the OTA channels vs. cable. Both are pretty lousy.

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Where are you located that cable and OTA are both lousy? IMO, OTA is miles better than cable, particularly CBS, ABC, and FOX (can't get NBC yet so can say either way). Colors are richer, sharper, etc. Are you sure you've got your OTA set up correctly?
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Originally posted by caesar1
I kind of like it (the 14:9). But I never really watch the digital channels unless it is an HDTV program (which would be 16:9). I don't see much of a gain in picture quality watching regular analog programming via the OTA channels vs. cable. Both are pretty lousy.

Eric

Where are you located that cable and OTA are both lousy? IMO, OTA is miles better than cable, particularly CBS, ABC, and FOX (can't get NBC yet so can say either way). Colors are richer, sharper, etc. Are you sure you've got your OTA set up correctly?
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Well it is better than regular cable to some extent, but at least with regular cable I can use the stretch mode on my TV to fill the screen (so I don't need to worry about burn-in) -- I'm OAR when it comes to movies, DVDs etc. But regular TV I don't care about OAR.

Also, with regular cable I can channel surf among all the other analog channels as I would normally. With my STB, I'm stuck with just the digital channels -- and I'm usually watching other cable channels (not available via HDTV) (or surfing).

So I watch the digital channels generally only when it is a true HDTV program -- where the advantages of picture quality are more obvious.
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Are you sure 17-1 is coming in 14:9? I'm seeing the tops of heads cut off when compared to the analog channel, and it seems to go all the way out to the edges of my 34XBR800 16:9.
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It definitely is some weird ratio and definitely not 16 x 9 (for non-hdtv broadcasts).

I (and other people) have thin black bars on the left and right on our 16 x 9 sets. Yes, there is some top/bottome cut-off as well.

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Originally posted by caesar1
It definitely is some weird ratio and definitely not 16 x 9 (for non-hdtv broadcasts).

I (and other people) have thin black bars on the left and right on our 16 x 9 sets. Yes, there is some top/bottome cut-off as well.

Eric

has anyone been able to get a reply from 17 as to why they are doing this.
it looks awful with the tops and bottoms cut off and those small bars on the sides.
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The little black bars on the sides are barely noticable, but the cropping of heads is a little annoying!

I ask again.........when will NBC be moving to the new tower??
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Calabs,

Last week I checked with the engineer at WCAU-DT, he said that they will be on the new tower by the end of November.

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Calabs,

Last week I checked with the engineer at WCAU-DT, he said that they will be on the new tower by the end of November.

Joe

Thanks Joe! I wait with baited breath!
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Anyone catch Enterprise last night on UPN? It's a letterboxed image within the 4:3 screen. Since it's a digital station, I couldn't expand it to fill the screen on my DST-3000. That was annoying, so back to DirecTV I went.

Any idea when 32 will switch to 57-1? Just wondering.

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i get channel 57 at 32-1 and 57-1 on mymits sr-hd500
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Rob, same here re: 'Enterprise' on UPN. The picture quality was great, but window-boxed. I tried all sorts of stretch/zoom variations on my STB & HDTV w/o any way to make the picture fill the screen. It'd be great if they zoomed the image, but I don't see it happening. For the meantime, I have a solution ... record the show via s-video on DVD-RAM using my Panny HS2 & play it back on my Panny RP91 scaled to fit the TV.

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