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No plans for the Spanish channel on WISH-DT - we have enough there already.

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Excellent News! Great job on the HD Football boradcasts by the way!
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I just noticed this evening that WTTV-DT, 53 is on the air. WTTV programming is currently on 53-2 and WXIN programming on 53-3. I've got a signal reading of 90 on my DTC100 here on the far northside of Indy.

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A local TV engineer just e-mailed that WFYI-DT, 21 is on the air this afternoon testing. Apparently the station will be on and off the next few days conducting tests and if everything goes well could be on the air with programming this weekend.

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Steve,

Thanks for the heads-up.The only thing I see right now on 21 is Ft Wayne(weak).


Check 17 ...guess I'm gonna hafta learn Spanish...Hhmmm....

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WFYI-DT, ch 21, has a big signal here. Currently running two streams, 20-1 with PBS-HD, 20-2 with upconverted WFYI-TV.

Talked to their Programming Dept., and they plan to run three channels, during the day, and HD after 8pm each day.
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Rick Poling reports that if you've experienced a problem receiving WTTV-DT, 4-1, via digital channel 53, you should be able to tune it in. He found the problem and says that it should be fine now.

If anyone receives WFYI-DT, 21 while it is on the air testing, please post here and let us know how the signal is.

Greg, I know what you mean about Univision on WIIH, ch. 17. I'm brushing up on my Spanish and trying to learn more!

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Gee, guys, you digital devotees aren't supposed to be watching (gasp!) ANALOG!

Not that the WIIH content doesn't have some things to admire .

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WISH/WIIH/LWS
and some of WANE/WLFI
and soon WDTN/WIVB/WNLO
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Great lines, Tom. There does appear to be "some things to admire."

Your engineering responsibilities seem to be growing and growing. Will WAND, Decatur eventually be part of that list, too?

Let's hear it for Tom Weber, AVS Forum Members and HDTV Fans....Tom is in the process of ordering the last piece of equipment necessary to pass 5.1 audio from CBS!! Thanks for the good news, Tom, and thanks for your work in providing the upcoming service. Our ears thank you, too.

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Are all or any of the Indy digitals at full power?

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Just three are at, or near, 1,000kw on UHF: WRTV ch 25 is 898kw, WNDY ch 32 is 1,000kw directional, WTHR ch 46 is 1,000kw. Ch 9 WISH is limited to just under 20kw by proximity to ch 9 in Cincinnati.
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Does anyone know if WSJV is on full power or not? I have not been able to get a workable signal from them for a long time now, yet WNDU and WSBT come in at 85-90% strength on my tuner. According to 100000watts.com, both WNDU and WSBT have a license for less power than WSJV. Also cant wait for WNIT to go online!
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Originally posted by goldrich
Rick Poling reports that if you've experienced a problem receiving WTTV-DT, 4-1, via digital channel 53, you should be able to tune it in. He found the problem and says that it should be fine now.


Is 53 on the air 24/7? I have tried the last few evenings, and do not receive anything on it. I get WTTV via 59-2 still, though. Where is the transmitter for 53, and what power? I am on the far west side of Indy.

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Kirby Baker,

FCC Website says WSJV digital has Special Temporary Authority (STA) for 10.5 kW ERP @ 315-meters,

http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/tvq?call=WSJV

way less than digital WNDU (310 kW ERP @ 178-m) or digital WSBT (280 kW ERP STA @ 239-m).

Also, have heard that concrete for base & anchors of WNIT's new digital tower are in; steel erection probably when nice weather returns, but don't know their target date.
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KBandy,

WTTV-DT, 53 signed on January 29 and as far as I know it's on 24/7. It is an STA with only 4kw. of power @ 900 feet on the WTTV-4 tower in Trafalgar. I live in Hamilton Co. just south of Carmel and with my outside antenna I'm getting a signal reading of 82-90 on my DTC100. I am 37 miles from the tower. According to Rick Poling, the stations will continue to simulcast both stations (WTTV and WXIN) via digital channels 45 and 53 for the time being. If you can't receive one of these channels you should be able to pick up the other one.

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Thanks for the info, Steve. Hopefully they will continue the simulcast at least until the power is increased on 53. Do you know where the transmitter/tower is for 45? I receive it just fine. I have an outside antenna feeding my Samsung 150.

Thanks again,
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Update to WFYI-DT.

For the first time, I am watching WFYI-DT (21-1 in Hi-def, 21-2 local). Signal seems to be strong (Samsung T-151 here), picture and audio quality is awesome. Great job, WFYI.

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I just got home from work and turned on WFYI-DT to see it for the first time, too, andyO. AndyO, are you fairly close to the WFYI tower? It is now just after 5:30 and the signal at my house (6 miles away) with an outside antenna now pointed right at the tower is quite weak....(only about 42 on the signal meter). I'm also seeing some dropouts, but the PQ in HD on 21-1 does look very good.

Since WFYI shares space in the WRTV transmitter building, Paul Roehm at WRTV sent this earlier today......

"I talked to Mike Goode (WFYI Xmtr Supervisor) and he
said that they were trying to decide what to do. The DTV is ready to go,
but they are suppposed to maintain precise frequency separation between
analog and digital, and the precise frequency controller for the ntsc
transmitter is not here yet. Interference in the N+1 configuration can be
an issue. (WISH is in the same position) He didn't know exactly when they
were going to bring it on for real, but Harris Corp. was supposed to finish
up the installation on Thursday, and starting programming only requires a
call and letter to the FCC. Hopefully soon."

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After reading this and seeing the low signal strength I'm speculating that they are still testing and running the transmitter at very low power. We'll see what happens over the weekend.

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Steve,

My Samsung OTA tuner signal strength for WFYI-DT (21-1) is at 9 bars as most of the other local Stations except UPN-DT and WTTV-DT. I live 2 miles west of the Transmitter Tower.


Curiously, I wonder if any one watched "Smallville" on WB lately? It is not in HD on channel 45 (45-2) for at least last few weeks?


For those Comcast -HD subscribers,

NBA-HD now appears on the Channel guide, is the All star game ( Hi def) coming to Indy?

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Originally posted by goldrich
I just got home from work and turned on WFYI-DT to see it for the first time, too, andyO. AndyO, are you fairly close to the WFYI tower? It is now just after 5:30 and the signal at my house (6 miles away) with an outside antenna now pointed right at the tower is quite weak....(only about 42 on the signal meter). I'm also seeing some dropouts, but the PQ in HD on 21-1 does look very good.

Since WFYI shares space in the WRTV transmitter building, Paul Roehm at WRTV sent this earlier today......

"I talked to Mike Goode (WFYI Xmtr Supervisor) and he
said that they were trying to decide what to do. The DTV is ready to go,
but they are suppposed to maintain precise frequency separation between
analog and digital, and the precise frequency controller for the ntsc
transmitter is not here yet. Interference in the N+1 configuration can be
an issue. (WISH is in the same position) He didn't know exactly when they
were going to bring it on for real, but Harris Corp. was supposed to finish
up the installation on Thursday, and starting programming only requires a
call and letter to the FCC. Hopefully soon."

p:

Paul Roehm
WRTV, Indianapolis


After reading this and seeing the low signal strength I'm speculating that they are still testing and running the transmitter at very low power. We'll see what happens over the weekend.

Steve

WFYI DT-21 booming in here on the stack at a solid 68-70(DTC-100).I am noticing on the analog set adjacent channel interference w/vertical and horizontal synch bars,along with the digital snow and audible sizzle.Sometimes even an underlying trace of video and audio from Ch20.I've never seen this kind of interference on a digital channel,and simultaneously receiving a perfect digital transmission.Strange.

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Greg,

Comparing our signal readings of WFYI-DT on our DTC100's tonight seems rather strange to me. While the other local digitals for me are reading in the upper 80's to mid 90's, WFYI-DT is reading only 52. At the moment I'm even getting a reading of 92 from WTTV-DT, 53 (4kw. @ 37 miles) and a reading of 58 from WLFI-DT, 11, Lafayette (40 miles away and I don't have my preamp on the line tonight). At my close proximity to the antenna farm, maybe I've got some bad multipath problems with 21.

WFYI-DT is using a directional antenna and it appears that you and I are both in two of the weakest coverage directions. The antenna relative field values vary from a low of .284 @ 130 degrees, close to your direction, to a high of 1.000 @ 350 degrees.

KBandy,

The WXIN-59/WXIN-DT, 45 tower is just north of Westlane Road, near W.71st St. and Michigan Road.

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A few weeks ago one of my company engineers and I had an opportunity to see the new WISH-TV master control center, thanks to Tom Weber. This center controls WISH/WISH-DT and WIIH-CA, 17, Indianapolis, WANE/eventually WANE-DT, Fort Wayne, and WLFI/WLFI-DT, Lafayette. Within a few months another control center, just like this one, will control three more LIN stations (WDTN, Dayton and WIVB/WNLO, Buffalo).

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Two questions for those of you more familiar with central Indiana DTV:

Is WLFI-DT 11 at full power? At my location just NE of Indy, my STB is trying hard to lock in, but can't quite do it. I'm just using a static UHF/VHF attic antenna, but it so happens that aiming NW (toward Rossville) gives me my best overall reception of all the Indy-area stations. So pulling in WLFI would be a great bonus.

Also, is there any known status of WTTK-DT 54? Assuming all things are eventually equal between WTTV and WTTK, WTTK will be my better bet.

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Director Boy,

As of a few weeks ago I heard from a LIN engineer that WLFI-DT was operating at full power (30 kw. @708 ft.). The station does use a directional antenna but the differences in the field values are very little, as opposed to the VERY directional antenna of analog WLFI-18. To receive this station at my location, just south of Carmel, I'm using a RS VU-160 (with the UHF portion cut off.....I'm using the CM 4228 for UHF) @ 26 ft. with a CM 7777 preamp. Depending on tropospheric conditions, sometimes it is just fine without the preamp but most of the time I need the preamp to insure a stronger and more stable signal. At 40 miles the signal is quite weak and I would think it would be very difficult to receive this station with an attic antenna.

Rick Poling, the transmitter engineer at WXIN/WTTV/WTTK mentioned recently that WTTK-DT would not be on the air until later in the year. Apparently when it does sign on it will be operating at full power as opposed to the STA for WTTV-DT, 53.

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Thanks for the info, Steve. I'm on high land and am betting a pre-amp would pull in WLFI. I might give that a shot.

Sounds like WTTK will definitely be the north side's source for WB programming. Thanks to Rick Poling for piggy-backing WTTV on WXIN-DT for the time being.
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WLFI-DT Ch 11, has an STA which sends about 18 kw to the SE from 702 ft. They have an application for 30 kw.
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Here's an update and verification of power on WLFI-DT, thanks to Carl Booker, Engineering Supervisor. He says "we have been up and running our DTV signal at 100% power for several months now..." As for passing HD from CBS, their plan is to have it going by NCAA tournament time. Good luck with the new HD equipment, Carl, and thanks for the update.

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Moving over to West-Central IN - I spoke with a WTWO engineer (NBC-Channel 2 - Terre Haute, IN) last Friday (Feb 7) and he stated that WTWO-DT will be up and running around April 1. He said they will be low power with about a 35 mile radius. Look for this on channel 36.
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I live on the west side of Indy, over by the airport. I tweaked my antenna a wee bit today and am happy to report that I get the following DT channels:
9 - CBS 8.1-3
16 - WHMB 40.1-2
21 - PBS 20.1-2
25 - ABC 25.1-2
32 - UPN 23.1
45 - FOX 59.1
46 - NBC 13.1-2
53 - WB 59.2

Question I have is, why doesn't ABC 25.1-2 show up as 6.1-2 since all the other of the major networks convert their channels to their Analogue #?
I can understand WB using 59.2 since Fox 59 bought them but It just makes more sense to have them labeled what the Analogue signal is.
Also will they ever broadcast show info with their signal so we can see what is on via a guide?

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fgr41, where are you? I am just south of Bridgeport and Morris. You've got the same line up we do. As far as why WRTV doesn't say "6" instead of 25, that is done via channel mapping software at the broadcaster. Probably either personal preference or lack of capability of the equipment is why they don't.

I'm with you on the program guides. As far as I know, the only local station that sends the guide info is WISH.

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Well WLFI is making some kind of change. Their original CP was for an Andrew antenna. Their STA on 11/8/02 specifies a Dielectric antenna at a lower height. And their application for CP on 1/16/03 specifies the same Dielectric antenna with 30kw. Directional patterns on both antennas are about the same.

No big deal here. There is only about 1 db difference. Maybe they already made the changes and the paperwork hasn't caught up.
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