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post #1 of 11 Old 02-08-2015, 01:35 PM - Thread Starter
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York, PA Antenna recommendation

Live in York PA. Disconnected from Dish last week, looking to get OTAs for live TV.

We have a old RCA wall mount digital antenna, with it we receive 8 (WGAL-NBC), 15 (WLYH-CW), 43 (WPMT-FOX), 49 (WGCB-IND). Unable to get WHTM-ABC, WHP CBS and WITF-PBS, which are almost direct north at approx. 25 miles away.

Purchased a Xtreme Signal HDB8X 8-Bay VHF/UHF antenna and installed in our attic (no preamp). Pointed it to the South (171.28) in an attempt to get the Baltimore Stations...nothing. Pointed it to the North (349.20) to get the Harrisburg channels...WHP-CBS comes in, but I lose WPMT-Fox. If I point back to the east (82.93) I get the same channels I get on the RCA. Basically, I don't get anything more than what I get with the wall mounted antenna. Any suggestions? Something I'm missing?

I am looking for suggestions of what antenna to get. Also, do I need a pre-amp? I would like to keep this mounted in our attic, not able or willing to mount to roof.

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Live in York PA. Disconnected from Dish last week, looking to get OTAs for live TV.

We have a old RCA wall mount digital antenna, with it we receive 8 (WGAL-NBC), 15 (WLYH-CW), 43 (WPMT-FOX), 49 (WGCB-IND). Unable to get WHTM-ABC, WHP CBS and WITF-PBS, which are almost direct north at approx. 25 miles away.

Purchased a Xtreme Signal HDB8X 8-Bay VHF/UHF antenna and installed in our attic (no preamp). Pointed it to the South (171.28) in an attempt to get the Baltimore Stations...nothing. Pointed it to the North (349.20) to get the Harrisburg channels...WHP-CBS comes in, but I lose WPMT-Fox. If I point back to the east (82.93) I get the same channels I get on the RCA. Basically, I don't get anything more than what I get with the wall mounted antenna. Any suggestions? Something I'm missing?

I am looking for suggestions of what antenna to get. Also, do I need a pre-amp? I would like to keep this mounted in our attic, not able or willing to mount to roof.

http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wr...2c15916172a447

Thanks, Glen
Need VHF antenna and UHF/VHF combiner for ABC - RF 10. Need rotor or separate switched antennas for UHF stations in different directions..
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Need VHF antenna and UHF/VHF combiner for ABC - RF 10. Need rotor or separate switched antennas for UHF stations in different directions..
So two antennas? One for VHF and one UHF? The two VHF towers (WGAL-NBC and WHTM-ABC) are approx 107 degrees apart, can I use a omni directional, or do I need a directional?

Sorry, very new to this.

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So two antennas? One for VHF and one UHF? The two VHF towers (WGAL-NBC and WHTM-ABC) are approx 107 degrees apart, can I use a omni directional, or do I need a directional?

Sorry, very new to this.

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Since you are not getting any signal on WHTM from the 8 bay, you will need a VHF antenna with gain such as channels 7-13 Yagi which is directional. Aim at WHTM and you should get plenty of signal from WGAL from the side since it is so close to you.
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Thanks for the help. I adjusted the 8bay, now pointing directly at 0. Didn't realize that my iPhone compass was in Magnetic, I was using the true numbers. This was enough of an adjustment to get WHP-CBS. Here are my numbers:

Signal Strength/Signal Quality:

Fox WPMT 47 (43.1) 72/100
NBC WGAL 8 (8.1) 92/100
CW WLYH 23 (15.1) 91/100
Ind WGCB 30 (49.1) 56/96 (drops off frequently)
CBS WHP 21 (21.1) 54/99
ABC WHTM 10 (27.1) 0/0
PBS WITF 36 (33.1) 35/0

Current 8 bay has a combiner installed. If I purchase a Highland VHF Yagi (like this), would I add another combiner? If so, assume that would be after the 8-bay. Also, what can I do to get the PBS channel? Would a amplifier help?

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Maybe a Winegard 7698 or Antennacraft HBU55 for Baltimore, and possibly Winegard LNA200 preamp. And maybe luck out and get some DC.
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I think I will stay with the 8-bay, its doing well at picking up the stations that I am receiving. I plan on adding a Yagi antenna to pickup ABC (10 VHF-HI). Looking at this antenna. This is the smaller of Antennacrafts Yagi antennas...is it big enough? Or do I need to go with the 10 element antenna? I would rather stay with the shorter 60" antenna as its going in our attic.

I would also like to add a preamplifier. Looking at the Antennacraft 10G201. Hope this will boost the UHF signal enough to get IND (30 UHF) and PBS (36 UHF).

In order to add the Yagi antenna to my 8-Bay, I will replace the combiner that came with the 8-bay with a 4-way combiner.

Am I on the right track? Or am I missing something? If there is better choices, or any suggestions, please let me know. If I need to send the 8 bay back, let me know.

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Purchased a Antennacraft 10G212 Preamplifier. Have it turned to the highest gain. Now I am getting Ind and PBS. Starting to see some activity on ABC, but not enough to get a signal. I have a couple splitters and couplers in my install, I will remove and get a longer piece of RG6 (old install).

How do I measure the dB for each channel? Can I overpower the TVs to the point of damage?

Signal Strength/Signal Quality:
Fox WPMT 47 (43.1)
Before: 72/100 After: 77/100

NBC WGAL 8 (8.1)
Before: 92/100 After: 86/100

CW WLYH 23 (15.1)
Before: 91/100 After: 93/100

Ind WGCB 30 (49.1)
Before: 56/96 (drops off frequently) After: 83/100

CBS WHP 21 (21.1)
Before: 54/99nn After: 85/100

ABC WHTM 10 (27.1)
Before: 0/0 After: 39/2

PBS WITF 36 (33.1)
Before: 35/0 After: 65/100

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About to order the AntennaCraft Highband VHF Yagi TV Antenna and a Winegard CC-7870 2-Way TV Antenna Joiner Coupler per Solid Signal recommendation. I have a couple quick question though.

I understand I need equal lengths of RG6 coming from my Xtreme Signal HDB8X 8-Bay VHF/UHF HDTV Bowtie Antenna and the AntennaCraft VHF Antenna to the Winegard CC-7870. These will be installed in my attic, so I don't have much room to play with, especially with the long boom of the Yagi. How much separation do I need between the two antennas?

Also, does the CC-7870 have to be installed equal distance from each antenna, or can I put in on one of the mast, spool that coax for that antenna, and stretch out the coax for the other antenna to get my distance?

The HDB8X barely picks up the VHF channel I am trying to get with the Yagi, so should I be concerned about ghosting?

Also, I assume my preamp will go after the Winegard CC-7870, is this correct?

Am I missing anything??

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You want a UVSJ to join the antennas, one side takes the VHF and the other side the UHF. The length of your cables do not matter as you are “joining” two different antennas and not “stacking” like antennas.

As for distance between each antenna - test different locations in your attic to find what works the best.

I have a Y10-7-13 and a UVSJ you are welcome to borrow before you purchase if it is worth a trip to Gettysburg. Shot me a PM if interested.
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I like that idea better, plus it's cheaper than the other one they suggested. Only concern is if I will be able to pick up 8-WGAL. Should be able to, since it's so close.

Thanks for the suggestion.
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