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post #9721 of 9740 Old 06-02-2015, 07:49 AM
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Receiving Buzzr TV now on 13-2, but no guide data yet on my TIVO Roamio OTA since TMS has none.

PSIP data from the TV tuner has no show info. either...

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Receiving Buzzr TV now on 13-2, but no guide data yet on my TIVO Roamio OTA since TMS has none.

PSIP data from the TV tuner has no show info. either...

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buzzr says an online game show and replaces BounceTV (moved to KMEX's 34.3). I don't think this will be a hit.
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Getting PSIP guide info. now for Buzzr TV. But the scheduling info appears incorrect at times. TMS still has nothing though.

And BTW, Decades channel, at least coming from KCBS OTA, is in 4:3 aspect ratio not 16:9 as listed by Rabbitears.info, the Wikipedia, and others.

Now if this is a case of the network feed being in 16:9 (and probably HD) and KCBS cropping (and maybe down-converting) it to 4:3 SD. You would think that with Decades being a part CBS owned channel and KCBS a CBS O&O station, they would maintain the OAR.

But, oh well ...

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Ok,

TMS now has guide data for Buzzr TV. OTA PSIP appears to be correct now too.

All is well now ..

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Is anyone here live near Rancho Santa Margarita (mission viejo, ladera ranch area) using an antenna of LA HD channels? Which brand and model of antenna worked well for you?

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Getting PSIP guide info. now for Buzzr TV. But the scheduling info appears incorrect at times. TMS still has nothing though.

And BTW, Decades channel, at least coming from KCBS OTA, is in 4:3 aspect ratio not 16:9 as listed by Rabbitears.info, the Wikipedia, and others.

Now if this is a case of the network feed being in 16:9 (and probably HD) and KCBS cropping (and maybe down-converting) it to 4:3 SD. You would think that with Decades being a part CBS owned channel and KCBS a CBS O&O station, they would maintain the OAR.

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It is supposed to be 16:9 SD.
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It is supposed to be 16:9 SD.
I know it is, but it's not;

Actually spoke with the engineer in charge at KCBS-KCAL for quite awhile today. But he really didn't have much to offer on this other than 4:3 is how they are receiving the feed by satellite from the network and they are merely passing it along that way OTA unmodified.

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I know it is, but it's not;

Actually spoke with the engineer in charge at KCBS-KCAL for quite awhile today. But he really didn't have much to offer on this other than 4:3 is how they are receiving the feed by satellite from the network and they are merely passing it along that way OTA unmodified.
This seems to be standard procedure with network stations and their subchannels. They simply pass on the content in whatever format, good or bad, it is received from the network feeds.

I can often receive some of the San Diego stations, especially during warm weather, and I see the same primary subchannels on those stations and they all have the same names and formats as their LA counterparts. (I cannot confirm this with CBS, since KFMB is blocked by KFLA, but presumably, if it is carrying DECADES, it is also stretched on KFMB). Anyway, it is interesting to note that COZI-TV is also carried by KNSD on 39.2, and it is shown correctly (unstretched). On the other hand, the ABC affiliate KGTV carries LAFF on 10.2, and like channel 7.3 , it is stretched.

The upshot: NBC got it right, while CBS and ABC got it wrong.
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Decades is provided in 16:9 and looks correct in 16:9 in Baltimore; not sure why KCBS is saying otherwise.

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Decades is provided in 16:9 and looks correct in 16:9 in Baltimore; not sure why KCBS is saying otherwise.

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Apparently, judging from what HoTatII said, CBS must be sending to the West Coast a degraded version of what is being shown on the East Coast. My receiver data display confirms that the picture is only 480i, 4:3.
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Is anyone here live near Rancho Santa Margarita (mission viejo, ladera ranch area) using an antenna of LA HD channels? Which brand and model of antenna worked well for you?

Cross-posted to OC thread.

I live in Laguna Hills. I am using a Clearstream 2V Long Range UHF/VHF DTV Antenna ($75 from Amazon) with a RadioShack (I guess I'm the only guy who will miss them) inline amplifier. The antenna is connected to my desktop computer and I am using Windows Media Center as my DVR. I receive 115 channels from 22 stations, almost all from L.A. I receive all the major broadcast stations (CBS, NBC, ABC, KTLA, KCAL, FOX, and KCOP aka My Network) + three PBS channels (KCET, KOCE (OC) and KLCS (Riverside). I am located 3/4 up a good sized hill and have an unobstructed "line of site" to most of the broadcast towers located about 50 miles to the northwest of my home. The Clearstream Antenna (small profile) is about 10 feet off the ground on my backyard patio cover (in other words, it does not alarm my neighbors). Most people on this site use the tvfool website to determine what they need to receive ota tv. I use antennaweb.org. It is less technical and I am a simple guy. The forecast of what I could receive with a reasonably priced antenna was very accurate. I hope this helped
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Apparently, judging from what HoTatII said, CBS must be sending to the West Coast a degraded version of what is being shown on the East Coast. My receiver data display confirms that the picture is only 480i, 4:3.
It's the same feed nationwide. 16:9 SD
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It's the same feed nationwide. 16:9 SD
But then why is the PSIP data on channel 2.2 indicating that it is 4:3 SD? Also, the engineer at KCBS claimed that they were not modifying the signal from the feed locally.
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But then why is the PSIP data on channel 2.2 indicating that it is 4:3 SD? Also, the engineer at KCBS claimed that they were not modifying the signal from the feed locally.
Well I am not sure what KCBS is doing but here at KOVR in Sacramento we encode the signal as 480i Wide Screen (16:9) Yes the engineer is correct it comes down as anamorphic SD over the sat.. the Sat RX only knows it as 480i SD 4x3. And pass on the AFD information to be in 16:9 Letterbox on 4:3 screens.


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Well I am not sure what KCBS is doing but here at KOVR in Sacramento we encode the signal as 480i Wide Screen (16:9) Yes the engineer is correct it comes down as anamorphic SD over the sat.. the Sat RX only knows it as 480i SD 4x3. And pass on the AFD information to be in 16:9 Letterbox on 4:3 screens.


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I meant WE pass on the AFD info to be in 16:9 LB on 4:3 TVs
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Well I am not sure what KCBS is doing but here at KOVR in Sacramento we encode the signal as 480i Wide Screen (16:9) Yes the engineer is correct it comes down as anamorphic SD over the sat.. the Sat RX only knows it as 480i SD 4x3. And pass on the AFD information to be in 16:9 Letterbox on 4:3 screens.


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Thanks;

And your explanation of how the feed comes down from the satellite may be a clue as to what's happening with KCBS.

I gather that KOVR always encodes a 16:9 format SD signal for the Decades channel regardless. So if the network's satellite feed is sending 4:3 material you pillar-box the image into a 16:9 frame. And when the network is sending 16:9 material it is anamorphically squeezed into 4:3, so you now stretch it out to 16:9 for broadcast. So in either case KOVR is broadcasting a 16:9 SD widescreen signal.

Whereas it appears KCBS is always sending out the same 4:3 format signal they get from the satellite network feed. So if it's 4:3 material from the satellite, it's that same 4:3 format that's broadcast. If it's 16:9 squeezed into 4:3, then KCBS letter-boxes the image into 4:3.

Thus it's always a 4:3 frame either way ...

Lousy for us ...

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I meant WE pass on the AFD info to be in 16:9 LB on 4:3 TVs
Bill, don't you actually pass different AFD codes on the Decades channel (for the benefit of DTV converters that use them) to letter-box on native 16:9 material or center-cut on 4:3 material?

Otherwise, if you only send the letter-box AFD code the image will postage stamp (or window-box) on 4:3 TVs whose converters are observing them when native 4:3 programs are broadcast pillar-boxed into a 16:9 frame which would be most of the time on the Decades channel.

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Bill, don't you actually pass different AFD codes on the Decades channel (for the benefit of DTV converters that use them) to letter-box on native 16:9 material or center-cut on 4:3 material?

Otherwise, if you only send the letter-box AFD code the image will postage stamp (or window-box) on 4:3 TVs whose converters are observing them when native 4:3 programs are broadcast pillar-boxed into a 16:9 frame which would be most of the time on the Decades channel.

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We pass the AFD for 16:9 screens to show 16:9 and for 4:3 screens 16:9 LB for those programs in 16:9 and 4:3 Full for 4:3 programs.
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We pass the AFD for 16:9 screens to show 16:9 ....
Ok, thanks Bill;

Though I don't understand this portion of your post for what role AFD plays on a widescreen or 16:9 TV.

AIUI, AFD or Active Format Description is used whenever there is a format change, usually from 16:9 to 4:3, to make sure that the image within the base format, or the "active format" is appropriately displayed.

If you are broadcasting a 16:9 format signal, 16:9 displays like HDTVs simply display that same format regardless of what the active format of the image is within it.



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Ok, thanks Bill;

Though I don't understand this portion of your post for what role AFD plays on a widescreen or 16:9 TV.

AIUI, AFD or Active Format Description is used whenever there is a format change, usually from 16:9 to 4:3, to make sure that the image within the base format, or the "active format" is appropriately displayed.

If you are broadcasting a 16:9 format signal, 16:9 displays like HDTVs simply display that same format regardless of what the active format of the image is within it.

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