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post #9781 of 9833 Old 11-08-2015, 07:26 AM
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It seems like I should probably go for an outdoor antenna mounted on the roof. But I have absolutely no idea which to pick.
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Best to talk to your neighbors, to see what they are using.
Also consider tall buildings and trees. A large live Oak between between the transmitter and receiver is a problem in and of itself.
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Best to talk to your neighbors, to see what they are using.
Also consider tall buildings and trees. A large live Oak between between the transmitter and receiver is a problem in and of itself.
I think I'm the only one on the block who will have an antenna. My latest thinking this morning is I should get an omnidirectional antenna instead of a big directional one. The reason being, although all of my signals are coming from the same direction, they won't be picked up directly. I'm on a hillside, and there are houses above me that will be directly blocking the line-of-sight.
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After a lot of research I've narrowed down my choices to either the Winegard 7697p or the Winegard 7698p. Any advice?

The price difference isn't a big deal to me. Of more concern is the 30 extra inches of length on the 7698p. All things being equal (or close), I think I'd prefer the smaller antenna.

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After a lot of research I've narrowed down my choices to either the Winegard 7697p or the Winegard 7698p. Any advice?

The price difference isn't a big deal to me. Of more concern is the 30 extra inches of length on the 7698p. All things being equal (or close), I think I'd prefer the smaller antenna.

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Have the 7697P here ...

Works great ....

But then again, since I live in a primary signal coverage area of South LA, this large directional antenna is really overkill here, so I don't know my experience is a good example of it's capabilities.

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Oh my sweet lord I am overwhelmed. I don't usually have a hard time picking out electronics. I know the sites to visit (AVS being one of them), the review sources to check, and finally the places to order from. However, OTA antennas are in a world unto themselves. I get it, it's hard for a review site to make a universal recommendation given all the factors that can affect performance. But I am absolutely dumbstruck by the number of antennas out there.

I'm in Studio City. There's a small mountain in between me and the broadcast towers (which seem to be mostly 19 miles to the NE).

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It seems like I should probably go for an outdoor antenna mounted on the roof. But I have absolutely no idea which to pick. I just lost two hours of my life to Amazon searches and don't feel like I'm any closer to picking one out. Please help!
One question comes to mind if you put an antenna on the roof how tall is your house. One story, two ?? Are you down in the flats or up in the hills. How far is this small mountain from you. Half the battle of OTA reception is getting the angle right, if the angle is wrong the size of an antenna won't make a difference
if the signal is blocked. I live in the SF Valley and kind of have an idea what you're going through.
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One question comes to mind if you put an antenna on the roof how tall is your house. One story, two ?? Are you down in the flats or up in the hills. How far is this small mountain from you. Half the battle of OTA reception is getting the angle right, if the angle is wrong the size of an antenna won't make a difference
if the signal is blocked. I live in the SF Valley and kind of have an idea what you're going through.
Saw some of your previous posts, sorry if I asked redundant questions.

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After a lot of research I've narrowed down my choices to either the Winegard 7697p or the Winegard 7698p. Any advice?

The price difference isn't a big deal to me. Of more concern is the 30 extra inches of length on the 7698p. All things being equal (or close), I think I'd prefer the smaller antenna.

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I don't think the length would make that much of a difference, it's height that will help, especially with the stations are that really UHF (channel 5 for example) vs channel 7 which is really on channel 7.

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My house is only one story tall. Therefore the antenna is not going to be that high off the ground. I'll get a mast up 5 feet, but total that might be only 15 above-ground. Then again, I'm on a hillside, so I'm about 50 feet above the street?

There was a website link that I've lost, but it talked about aiming the antenna upwards in my situation, since the signal is going to be coming across over the top of a hill. The website was very rudimentary, almost all plain text, and had a name like "HDTV info" or something like that.

I went ahead and ordered the 7698p. Antennaweb says I'm definitely in the purple zone, so I figured better to be safe than sorry and eke out as much gain as I can.

Edit: FOUND IT! This link is incredibly detailed but looks like good info: http://www.hdtvprimer.com/ANTENNAS/siting.html
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Well, here's an update. I got the Winegard 7698 installed up on my roof today. With no pre-amp, I immediately pulled in 170 channels.



I am beyond excited and the quality of the reception is great. When AntennaWeb told me I was in the violet zone, I was worried. But the 7698 has done me right.

Now where the heck do I find guide info for all these channels?
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Well, here's an update. I got the Winegard 7698 installed up on my roof today. With no pre-amp, I immediately pulled in 170 channels.



I am beyond excited and the quality of the reception is great. When AntennaWeb told me I was in the violet zone, I was worried. But the 7698 has done me right.

Now where the heck do I find guide info for all these channels?
Lucky if they are all stable! I think I got 137 channels at my old nest, but I don't watch all!

Use TV Guide, TitanTV, etc.?
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You can also use the online version of TV Guide at http://www.tvguide.com/listings/. It shows a scroll-able chart of the local TV stations, showing programs, times, etc.for each station. It is very handy, and you can fully customize it, too.
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Well, here's an update. I got the Winegard 7698 installed up on my roof today. With no pre-amp, I immediately pulled in 170 channels.



I am beyond excited and the quality of the reception is great. When AntennaWeb told me I was in the violet zone, I was worried. But the 7698 has done me right.

Now where the heck do I find guide info for all these channels?
Congratulations!
You have successfully deciphered the mystic that is OTA antenna selection and installation!

I have been using TitanTv for OTA guide info for 15 years; works for me.

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Well, here's an update. I got the Winegard 7698 installed up on my roof today. With no pre-amp, I immediately pulled in 170 channels.



I am beyond excited and the quality of the reception is great. When AntennaWeb told me I was in the violet zone, I was worried. But the 7698 has done me right.

Now where the heck do I find guide info for all these channels?
zap2 it www.zap2it.com.
What did you end up of using for the angle for the antenna installation or did you just level it out.

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Well, here's an update. I got the Winegard 7698 installed up on my roof today. With no pre-amp, I immediately pulled in 170 channels.



I am beyond excited and the quality of the reception is great. When AntennaWeb told me I was in the violet zone, I was worried. But the 7698 has done me right.

Now where the heck do I find guide info for all these channels?
zap2 it www.zap2it.com.
What did you end up of using for the angle for the antenna installation or did you just level it out.
Just went with level. Even though I'm on the wrong side of a hill, I guess I'm high enough up that the signal is strong enough as is. Very happy! Was prepared to get a pre-amp but it looks like I don't need one.

I'm only feeding to one TV at the moment. Might split it to up to four in the future, and I'll look into a distribution amp if need be.

Would be nice if at some point in the next decade broadcast signals can handle 4K. I've heard skeptical things in that regard, so we'll see.
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Would be nice if at some point in the next decade broadcast signals can handle 4K. I've heard skeptical things in that regard, so we'll see.
It's coming, the ATSC committee is closing in on ATSC 3.0, which will include UHD resolution, among other goodies. It's harder this go-round because the broadcasters won't have an FCC mandate forcing consumers to upgrade, but I think it will still happen.
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Anyone else having trouble with KTLA lately?

I have line-of-sight to Mount Wilson and a pretty small outdoor antenna on the balcony. In general I have 99% perfect reception across all major stations, but just in the last 3 weeks or so KTLA has gone to pieces. Did something change, or is it just a weather thing?
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Anyone else having trouble with KTLA lately?

I have line-of-sight to Mount Wilson and a pretty small outdoor antenna on the balcony. In general I have 99% perfect reception across all major stations, but just in the last 3 weeks or so KTLA has gone to pieces. Did something change, or is it just a weather thing?
KTLA seems to be unusually susceptible to multi-path. I have had trouble in this regard with KTLA also, even though it is very strong here- in fact, it is the strongest of all local stations and line-of-sight (LOS) at my location, according to TVFool. Oat Mountain looms over me to the NW, and I suspect that it is the main culprit, since it would make a good reflector. Right now, KTLA is unwatchable on my main set, which is connected to a broad beam antenna array, even though it is very strong.

I suspect that they tweak their antennas from time to time, and there was actually a period when I got perfect reception of KTLA for a couple of years, and then, I think, they tweaked their antennas again and the mulipath came back! However, I do have a second UHF antenna, hooked to a different TV and I get perfect reception with that. I intend to change the other TV to a more directional antenna, and that should solve the problem.

You might first try slightly changing the direction of your present antenna and see if you can find a "sweet spot" with KTLA. If this doesn't work, then pick up a more directional UHF antenna (having higher gain), and point it directly at Mt. Wilson.
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Anyone else having trouble with KTLA lately?

I have line-of-sight to Mount Wilson and a pretty small outdoor antenna on the balcony. In general I have 99% perfect reception across all major stations, but just in the last 3 weeks or so KTLA has gone to pieces. Did something change, or is it just a weather thing?
When is it the worst day,night, or both?

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When is it the worst day,night, or both?
Honestly I do almost no daytime viewing, so the issues I'm seeing are all in the evening. If I have a chance on the weekend I'll tune in and see if daytime reception is any different.
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Hi Guys,

I am trying to get OTA on a couple of TV's in my house. The TV's are all home run to a Channel Plus Distribution Amplifier. I have a channel plus modulator modulating to channels 14,16,18. The distribution system has been in place and working for 15+ years. I was using Time Warner for local stations till they went digital. When they switched over I pulled an old "High Def" antenna out of the attic and connected it to "Cable In" on the Distribution amplifier. The antenna was purchased quite a long time ago when there were only 2-3 High Def channels broadcast in Los Angeles.

When I first placed the antenna up on the roof I got most of my local stations (2-13). In the past year though the channels have slowly drifted away. I went up on the roof today and spent some time moving the antenna different directions. And while I got a bunch of higher end channels (Above 20) My local networks (2-13) i ended up with only 2-3 channels.

I am located in Encino on the flats north of the blvd. TV Fool shows I should be able to get all channels with an indoor antenna.

Do I need to purchase a new antenna? The one I have has 2 layers, the top layer the antenna elements are round, and the lower layer the antenna elements are flat.

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Hi Guys,

I am trying to get OTA on a couple of TV's in my house. The TV's are all home run to a Channel Plus Distribution Amplifier. I have a channel plus modulator modulating to channels 14,16,18. The distribution system has been in place and working for 15+ years. I was using Time Warner for local stations till they went digital. When they switched over I pulled an old "High Def" antenna out of the attic and connected it to "Cable In" on the Distribution amplifier. The antenna was purchased quite a long time ago when there were only 2-3 High Def channels broadcast in Los Angeles.

When I first placed the antenna up on the roof I got most of my local stations (2-13). In the past year though the channels have slowly drifted away. I went up on the roof today and spent some time moving the antenna different directions. And while I got a bunch of higher end channels (Above 20) My local networks (2-13) i ended up with only 2-3 channels.

I am located in Encino on the flats north of the blvd. TV Fool shows I should be able to get all channels with an indoor antenna.

Do I need to purchase a new antenna? The one I have has 2 layers, the top layer the antenna elements are round, and the lower layer the antenna elements are flat.

Thanks for sharing your knowledge,

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Of the ones in the 2 to 13 range which ones are you still getting. 2 thru 5 are actually UHF signals and 7 thru 13 are Hi-VHF signals. Depending on which channels you're still getting will shine some light on the problem. When you were adjusting your antenna did you look at your cable connection to it, time and the elements can degrade the connection even in a dry climate.

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Of the ones in the 2 to 13 range which ones are you still getting. 2 thru 5 are actually UHF signals and 7 thru 13 are Hi-VHF signals. Depending on which channels you're still getting will shine some light on the problem. When you were adjusting your antenna did you look at your cable connection to it, time and the elements can degrade the connection even in a dry climate.
Yesterday after playing on the roof I had only 4.1. This morning when I checked the downstairs TV I have 4.1,5.1 and 11.1, The second TV upstairs, which is newer and of a better quality only gets channel 7.1. Strangely both TV's don't tune to the same channels at the same time. Depending on the aim of the antennae one TV gets more stations.

From my review of TV Fool all the antennas I need are in the same location and the same distance (25 miles).

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Do I need to purchase a new antenna?
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Most likely the answer is yes, you will need an antenna that will receive VHF and UHF signals to get all the stations.

15 years ago I was using a 4 bay bow-tie antenna to capture, the then new, ATSC (H/D) broadcasts from our local stations.
When they reassigned the UHF and VHF frequencies, Ch 7~13 could no longer be tuned by my TV card in my Home Theater PC.
However, my TiVo Roamio Basic connected to the same antenna WOULD tune all local stations 2~13, during the day!
At night, only 2~5 would tune, go figure.
I replaced the bow-tie antenna with this one from fry's http://www.frys.com/product/2570051 all locals come in acceptably 99% of the time.

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hi all,

wanting to make the switch here based on my location, saw a few san bernardino posts but their tvfool link was no longer available for me to make a comparison.

here's where i'm at:

http://tvfool.com/?option=com_wrappe...513487be06705a

and here's what i'm looking at:

monoprice.com/product?p_id=7976

so a couple questions before i make the move:

  • is this sufficient for my OTA needs?
  • when tvfool says 'most likely require extreme measures to try and pick them up', does that mean i would need to attach the antenna to the roof or tethered to a weather balloon?

i thank you in advance, and i look forward to hearing your expertise/insights

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Which existing threads? I thought this was an existing thread.
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Gentlemen,
I have two BIG old antennas on my roof, attached to a mast. They came with the house and I'm sure they're from the 70s. My other guess is that one is UHF (top) and the other VHF (bottom). They have no wiring and one is missing a screw where the flat wire used to connect. Will these antennas work well with current VHF and UHF signals? Also, can I combine them? How does it work exactly? Do i attach a balun (transformer) to each and run a coax down from each balun into a combiner? I will be feeding 4 TV's inside the house. Ive done some research online and I'm just making sure. Thank you all!!

Yes, I have ground wire to run and have an amplified splitter in my attic if needed.

I live in the San Fernando Valley (L.A. area) where all of the towers I need are all 27 miles East on Mt. Whitney. I've uploaded pictures. Thank you for your input!
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North San Diego County success

Very difficult site in the Rainbow area of North San Diego County. Tried a CM-4228HD, CM-2020 and a M4.

The M4 out preformed the others.

The initial scan showed availability of KCBS, KNBC, KTLA, KABC, KTTV, KCOP, KTBN, KOCE, KVEA and KLCS. All strong signals with KCAL being the weakest with 4 out of 10 bars. Additional scans occasionally added KDOC although weak with some pixilation. These scans were done during a light Santa Ana weather condition (hot dry air). Hoping for a bit of improvement when the humidity increases.

The most interesting thing to note is the best location found to mount the antenna. All other things being equal one would think the highest location would win. Mounting on the roof top where the antenna would be 1234’ above sea level under-preformed mounting at grade down-slope at 1200’ elevation. TV-Fool agrees with the actual results.

See the two attached TV-Fool charts

Roof Top – Elevation 1234’ http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wr...5134d3d75dbc3e

Down the slope – Elevation 1200’
http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wr...513488e4ac4cad
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