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Hi Doug:

Do you think the Channel Master 3671 would be a good choice for the Danville area to pull in HDTV from Champaign and maybe Indianapolis??

Thanks

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Hard to say whether a monster VHF like that will help.

When WILL-9 (PBS) in Champaign goes on, it may ruin WISH-9
(CBS) in Indy even with a monster antenna .... or it may not.

A possible alternative is the 4228, an all-UHF antenna
which is much smaller. Then possibly add a Winegard
single channel Channel 9 to it.

Because of the two Ch 9s (there is also 11 in Lafayette, CBS
but they are not HD) you've got a really tough case.

I've tried an antenna equivalent to half a 4228 and it seems to work OK.
I have it indoors through a big window, but not one big enough that
a full 4228 would help much.

You will need a good preamp. Because of the analogs on 15 and
27 you will need really good overload performance.

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WRSP apparently will pass through the 480p.

After inquiring, I got an email from WRSP stating they will begin DTV broadcasts by 11/1/03 on channel 44 at 335 kilowatts. They also plan on passing through 480p widescreen and 5.1 programming when they start DTV broadcasts. That is great news (and hoping they are strong enough to pick-up in Bloomington).

Hey Peoria CBS and Bloomington FOX, let's get going with HD!
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Thanks again Dough:

Mmmmmmmmmmm a lot to be looking at in Danville to get hdtv reception.

Just check http://www.antennaweb.org
and it is showing that WLFI-DT 11 CBS Lafayette IN Now Live 75°
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Just wanted to pass this information on to all who are interested. The following is a copy and paste.

As the system design engineer for WRSP-DT, I'll be up your way this week,
and hopefully have WRSP-DT on-air by this weekend. We'd love to hear from you on reception, feel free to email me here. We'll be on RF channel
44 @ 330kw..You should see us as 55-1 and 55-2.
Feel free to spread the word on AVS!

Thanks!

There you are!!

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Thats good news....! Keep us up to date...
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WSEC (PBS - Jacksonville) is very close to going live. They've been testing the last couple of days. Their 1080i feed looks pretty sweet.
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Originally posted by alacazam
Just wanted to pass this information on to all who are interested. The following is a copy and paste.

As the system design engineer for WRSP-DT, I'll be up your way this week,
and hopefully have WRSP-DT on-air by this weekend. We'd love to hear from you on reception, feel free to email me here. We'll be on RF channel
44 @ 330kw..You should see us as 55-1 and 55-2.
Feel free to spread the word on AVS!

Thanks!

There you are!!

Alacazam

PLEASE!! Turn on WCCU also!!!!

I certainly could have got WRSP last night .... in fact I watched
Fox 45 in Indy, despite being 108 miles away, but in the winter
WRSP may be hard.

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Hi Doug:

What antenna's do you have to be able to pull in Indy stations = must be amazing? From previous posts I live in Danville`

Was going to go DISH HDTV STB and have OTA antenna installed, and dump DirecTV. But now I have decided to opt for the new VOOM satellite system. They include in the package OTA antenna. Hope it works at least in getting the champ stations. Maybe they can add more if I pay the extra so I can get Indy Will have VOOM installed on the 22 Oct.

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It will be awhile before we light up WCCU..Hope to have WRSP on-air
sometime today if all goes well!

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Thanks for the update Bob. I'll be looking this evening!
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Originally posted by gels
Hi Doug:

What antenna's do you have to be able to pull in Indy stations = must be amazing?

Cheers,
Geoffrey


I'm currently using a Radio Shack double bowtie. The Indy
stations only come in in late summer-early fall. They were very
strong this monring.

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Last night at the cable commission meeting in Champaign
WICD (NBC) said that they will have HDTV in six months. Full power
will be much later, and the guy there had no idea about
their antenna height.

WCIA (CBS) was a no-show ... little doubt why.

WBUI did show up and said that they really want HDTV but are
worried about the money, which he quoted as $250,000. Also,
they will be going full power in a few days. He said that this
will not change their power bill.

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-----Original Message-----
From: Dale R Sinder
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 2:24 PM
To: 'vpgm@wcia.com'
Subject: WCIA and HDTV

I am writing to inform you that due to the fact that WCIA has
offered no indication whatever that it will broadcast HDTV
that I will no longer watch any CBS or WCIA programming
until HDTV from WCIA becomes a reality.

cc: vpgm@wcia.com
cbs.com feedback

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That's nice, since until a few months ago after I corrected them, TitanTV had them live and me looking for a non-existent signal.

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Originally posted by Chilli_Dog
WSEC (PBS - Jacksonville) is very close to going live. They've been testing the last couple of days. Their 1080i feed looks pretty sweet.


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I am getting WRSP-DT in SE Urbana intermitently. No preamp. Looks Like I'll need to add one.
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Hi Dale,
Thanks for the update,,what antenna and receiver are you using?

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I'm using a Sony HD200. The antenna is a channel master 3018 mounted on a rotor about 15' above the peak of my single story roof. The antenna output is split two ways with one half going onto a Radio Shack remote RF switch and then to a ChannelPlus DA 550HHR distribution amp then to the HD200. (The other half of the split signal goes to a manual switch which is also connected to a UHF antenna pointed at WICD and then to my TIVO.)

At around 5:15 the signal started to get stronger and I've had a steady picture ever since. Right now the HD200 signal strength meter is staying right around the boundary between "normal" and "good".

Ready for Cubs Baseball tomorrow!
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WRSP-DT coming in loud and clear in Sherman IL. Looks great! Using a Zenith HD-SAT520 and a Channelmaster 4228 in the attic.

The only concern I have is with the upconverted programming. It's awesome that WRSP is capable of outputting an HD signal. I'm really looking forward to the Enhanced Widescreen and future 720p programming. My concern is that most of the current programming will be 4:3 with sidebars. As much FOX as I watch, burn-in will be a definite concern since I can't stretch a 1080i signal like I can a 480i / p signal...

Other than that, I'm ecstatic! Woohoo (in my best Homer Simpson voice)!!!
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WRSP-DT is showing identical programming / resolution on 55-1 and 55-2 (1080i). What are the plans for the 2nd subchannel? Will this be an SD version of FOX programming? Or something else?

Thanks in advance for your response. And congrats on getting the digital broadcast up and running!!!
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55-2 will be the same video as 55-1, except the audio will be SAP(spanish)
or DVS(descriptive video) when available..The Simpsons DVS can be hilarious..
We can add grey or colored side bars, but have found with past experience that most viewers don't like this..it is easy to add them tho..
I have a 520 as well..you can get around this by putting the box in 480p
mode..it wil then allow you to fill the screen,If I'm correct, it has been a whilesince I have done that..

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55-1 and 55-2 coming in pretty good from the East side of Bloomington with just a basic attic antenna (no preamp). Just a couple breakups that I'm sure can be tweaked on my end. Good use of a sub-channel with the spanish.

My understanding is that you are passing 480p widescreen and 5.1 when available? Can't wait to get that. Am I correct that our first chance will be Sun afternoon football? Is WRSP assigned a game that is 480p and 5.1?

I will obviously be waiting for full HD programming. But for now, this is great. Thanks for the work and offerings (and now the pressure is really on for the Cubs to go to the WS as we want to see them in 480p and 5.1).
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We can add grey or colored side bars, but have found with past experience that most viewers don't like this..

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I have a 520 as well..you can get around this by putting the box in 480p mode..it will then allow you to fill the screen,If I'm correct, it has been a while since I have done that..

You are correct. Switching to 480p allows you to set the ratio to "cropped", which will fill the screen quite nicely. Unfortunately, with the Zenith, that's kind of a pain. You can't switch from 1080i to 480p with the remote. Instead, you have to get up and switch it from the front panel.

The only other option is to switch to 480i (which you can do with the remote), and then switch inputs on the TV. That's not a problem for me, but I can see the wife getting a little frustrated with that... Looks like I'll be setting up macros on the remote pretty soon...

Bob, thanks for taking the time to respond. It's nice to have a local engineer on the forum who is willing to answer our questions (and who understands our passion for digital / HD reception).
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You'r welcome. But I'm only here til Saturday, at which point I'll turn it over to the WRSP Engineers..but I'll be monitoring the thread and you can email
me with any questions.
I'm not sure when we will have the first NFL game in widescreen, there are some issues we have to work out with FOX based on the fact that WRSP
and WCCU mostly carry the same feeds, but occassionally have to do seperate feeds. (WRSP and WCCU come from the same master control)
That is complicating things a bit. We'll keep you posted.

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I am in Bloomington, Il and will be getting my first HD capable set on Monday.

I called Insight Communications about HD cable and was informed that the local ABC station i(WHOI) s now on the HD package they offer. They hope to have NBC (WEEK) available in about a month. They are in contract negoations with them now, supposedly. CBS (the Tiffany Network) isn't even broadcasting in HD in the area.

Anybody using Insight's service in the Bloomington area? If so, how is the available programming - quality and quantity?

Are they still using two boxes for HD - one for digital cable and one for HD, or have they gone to a single box? The person I asked didn't know anything about the hardware.

My experience in dealing with Insight is that you'll likely get as many answers as people you talk to. I actually had one person tell me that their digital music channels were broadcast in mono, because most people didn't have stereo tvs. This was while I was listening to one of the channels in stereo!

I'll either go with Insight or look into one of the sat services when the HD PVR options come out.

Thanks in advance for any feedback fellow Central Illinoisans can provide.
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I have the HD package in Bloomington. Went from the "enhanced" analog package to the digital package with HD. Get the same cable channels with the addition of the HD ones. HDnet, HDnet Movies, Discovery HD, and ESPN HD are the cable channels. All are good and reliable. Bravo HD was listed on the brochure but isn't up yet.

As far as local channels, it is the PBS and ABC stations out of Peoria. My judgement is both are better over cable than OTA. Not sure why that is. The NBC station would be convenient, but I can pull it OTA. You are correct that there is no CBS. That is the big central Illinois HD missing piece as far as I am concerned. A response as to plans from WMBD has been nonexsistent for the last several months. Anyone else know?

I had my install about a month ago and it was the two boxes. I don't even have the digital cable box running to the set. Only the HD box.

There was lots of differing information over the summer about how this would take shape from Insight, but now that it is here, they are doing a really good job from my perspective. There is no time commitment so other than a $4.95 service call, I don't think you can go wrong in giving it a try.
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I'm getting 55-1 and 55-2 off the back side of my antenna great (40 ft tower 45 miles SW of Springfield) with a Samsung TS160, I can pull that trick off with ABC out of Decatur only once in a while. So now I can get Fox out of St. Louis and Springfield at the same time without using the rotor . . . nice.

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Just joined you guys yesterday. I have a Panny 300 projector and finally got an HD set top box, Zenith. We had 20 people over last night and everyone was blown away by PBS high def and most even thought the game on Fox looked high def. Toy Story on ABC looked great and was in dolby digital which blew everyone away as well.

A buddy has high def on cable and I prefer OTA, mainly because there is noticeable pixelation on cable. I invested in a 4228 antenna, rotor and preamp and we can get Decatur, Springfield and Peoria all perfectly. Before the HD tuner, 47 was very grainy and 59 was unwatchable. They now both come in crystal clear. I had a 25" backup TV tuned to the same channels as the HD tuner and our guests couldn't believe the difference in signal quality. Life is good, if we can just get CBS in digital and more HDTV programming, all will be better.

One note on the 4228 antenna. We had a standard channel master UHF antenna installed last year by our satellite installer. The 4228 is not much of an upgrade over what we had. If I had it to do over again, I would just add the preamp, rotor and HD set top box.

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I worked furiously on WRSP-55 here in Champaign (on First St.)
last night. When conditions are good ... as they are right now,
9 in the morning, it is easy to get with a Radio Shack double bowtie
with the screen on it, or a home-made quad bowtie with no
reflector, with non-critical positioning.

However, it degraded badly last night but eventually I found some
signal with a dedicated Ch. 46 (6 channels wide) antenna in my bedroom,
using a cheesy 5 dB NF amp. It was almost but not quite perfect. I think that even 2 dB more antenna or a better preamp and it would be fine.

If they just had full power it would be very easy. I was surprised to
note some Faux Widescreen stuff, with a very very blatent occupation
of the non-4:3 zone with absolutely, totally, worthless junk.

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Thanks to all for the reports on WRSP.

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