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So, would this VDSL2 be used for a possible U-Verse roll out in the area or increasing there Fastaccess DSL service speeds (both of which I would be interested in)?

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It's my understanding that they are in the process of rolling out fiber from the COs to the DSLAMs so that everyone will be in range.

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Unless you are too far from the DSLAM like I (+5000') and my U-Verse engineer friends are.

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I have a Directv HR-21 and a Dish 622 both connected OTA.
On the 622 I have 89 to 96% signal strength and it's unwatchable.
The HR-21 is a little better but not much.
Watching the HR-21 signal meter it goes from 97% to an occasional dip in the 70s.

Mean while WCOV has a signal in the mid 80's to a peak of 94 and the picture is rock solid.


So WSFA how smart was that channel 13 decision?
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I have a Directv HR-21 and a Dish 622 both connected OTA.
On the 622 I have 89 to 96% signal strength and it's unwatchable.
The HR-21 is a little better but not much.
Watching the HR-21 signal meter it goes from 97% to an occasional dip in the 70s.

Mean while WCOV has a signal in the mid 80's to a peak of 94 and the picture is rock solid.


So WSFA how smart was that channel 13 decision?

Scott,
It probably looked like a good idea on paper, but just didn't turn out the way they thought it would.

What kind of antennas and amps are you using? Do you have any splitters for multiple TVs? If so, what kind and how many. By the way, some splittlers and combiners don't do VHF so you have to watch for that.

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I have a Directv HR-21 and a Dish 622 both connected OTA.
On the 622 I have 89 to 96% signal strength and it's unwatchable.
The HR-21 is a little better but not much.
Watching the HR-21 signal meter it goes from 97% to an occasional dip in the 70s.

Mean while WCOV has a signal in the mid 80's to a peak of 94 and the picture is rock solid.


So WSFA how smart was that channel 13 decision?

I'm in south Clay country, about 60 air-miles from the WSFA transmitter tower and my 622 gets a 100% signal...I have to attenuate my OTA signals with a splitter to avoid swamping the receiver.

But, of course, I have the best Winegard VHF/UHF combo antenna I could find...so your problem is all related to how good your antenna performs with VHF signals..

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So WSFA how smart was that channel 13 decision?

I'm confused, did I miss something. I though WSFA was on 12.

jtrippe, checked your site out, very nice. I'll definitely register when you get the forums up. Great idea as well.

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rolltide,

Channel 12 is transmitting on digital 13 which makes it a VHF channel.

Many of us who had no problem getting them with our UHF antennas had to go out and get new VHF antennas.

Jason......nice website.

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Maybe I didn't do a good job of making my self clear.
I have a higher signal strength on WSFA than any other station and the worst reception.

WAKA is in the 70s and is flawless.

If it was a splitter or the antenna wouldn't it effect the signal strength?

I think it's a case of the VHF blues in the metro area.
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rolltide,

Channel 12 is transmitting on digital 13 which makes it a VHF channel.

Many of us who had no problem getting them with our UHF antennas had to go out and get new VHF antennas.

Jason......nice website.

I understand all that, I thought they were on digital 12, not 13 though.

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I understand all that, I thought they were on digital 12, not 13 though.

Brain cells must have taken Friday off. You're right.

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Maybe I didn't do a good job of making my self clear.
I have a higher signal strength on WSFA than any other station and the worst reception.

WAKA is in the 70s and is flawless.

If it was a splitter or the antenna wouldn't it effect the signal strength?

I think it's a case of the VHF blues in the metro area.

This is a widespread problem for WSFA unless (a) you are out in the middle of nowhere and (b) you have a big-a outside antenna. If you meet a and b (sometimes, but not usually a OR b), you are probably fine. Of course, that dwindles down the possibilities quite a bit.
On another note, is anyone having trouble with RF 32? I notice signal but no information being sent on 32-1 or 32-2. Seems to have started on Saturday.
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Yes, I also had the problem with 32-01 last nite. Haven't tried it today.
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This is a widespread problem for WSFA unless (a) you are out in the middle of nowhere and (b) you have a big-a outside antenna. If you meet a and b (sometimes, but not usually a OR b), you are probably fine. Of course, that dwindles down the possibilities quite a bit.
On another note, is anyone having trouble with RF 32? I notice signal but no information being sent on 32-1 or 32-2. Seems to have started on Saturday.

I'm not getting a picture on 32-1 right now but have no problems with 22-2. I had never used 22-2 until I lost signal on 32-1 during the Alabama/Virginia Tech football game and switched to 22-2, which was perfect. I've been using 22-2 ever since. (Just wish WSFA would go back to a UHF frequency-I know there's little or no chance of that happening). Why is WNCF transmitting (or retransmitting) on 22-2?
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I'm not getting a picture on 32-1 right now but have no problems with 22-2. I had never used 22-2 until I lost signal on 32-1 during the Alabama/Virginia Tech football game and switched to 22-2, which was perfect. I've been using 22-2 ever since. (Just wish WSFA would go back to a UHF frequency-I know there's little or no chance of that happening). Why is WNCF transmitting (or retransmitting) on 22-2?

In an effort to cover the market. Each 22 and 32 are running very low
power and are using the buddy system to minimize this handicap (each tower is in a different part of the DMA).
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Is it just me or is WSFA HD quality not as good as my other locals. I am sorry if this has been answered. I have a strong signal but there seems to be a lot of compression artifacts that my other locals do not have.
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Is it just me or is WSFA HD quality not as good as my other locals. I am sorry if this has been answered. I have a strong signal but there seems to be a lot of compression artifacts that my other locals do not have.

I don't think it's just you, but I also don't think it's just WSFA. I see a lot of macro-blocking on NBC whether it's WSFA OTA or other NBC affiliates via cable or Dishnetwork. I think it's just the network feed.

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I don't think it's just you, but I also don't think it's just WSFA. I see a lot of macro-blocking on NBC whether it's WSFA OTA or other NBC affiliates via cable or Dishnetwork. I think it's just the network feed.

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WSFA is not devoting a reasonable amount of it's bandwidth to 12-1.
In the past, we have wondered why this is. You can see lots of junk
during transitions or fast action on their local news as well. I'll let WACKY
engineer report specifics after he looks at everyone's streams.
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WSFA is not devoting a reasonable amount of it's bandwidth to 12-1.
In the past, we have wondered why this is. You can see lots of junk
during transitions or fast action on their local news as well. I'll let WACKY
engineer report specifics after he looks at everyone's streams.

Their quality is C-R-A-P!! Why would I want an HD TV (which I don't have yet) when it looks like they have everyone in the building pee on it before it goes to the transmitter on my 27" analog TV?! My Netflix internet stream (which looks really good--not quite DVD-quality) is better. Not to mention that occasionally their video signal (net & local) appears to blend the fields, giving it a 30p look. Dilettantes!

I haven't ranted in a while. I feel better.

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WSFA is not devoting a reasonable amount of it's bandwidth to 12-1.
In the past, we have wondered why this is. You can see lots of junk
during transitions or fast action on their local news as well. I'll let WACKY
engineer report specifics after he looks at everyone's streams.

This has been covered here at least a couple of times before... There are a lot of factors that can determine the perceived quality of digital video, the bitrate is pretty important. You can't make a comparison solely on bitrate, for example, the quality and age of the encoder can make a difference, and there are techniques (like statistical multiplexing, which basically allows a higher priority stream to "steal" bandwidth from a lower priority stream) that can make a program with a lower average bitrate look better than it would if the bitrate were fixed at the lower rate.

With the current digital broadcast standard, we have approximately 19 megabits of bandwidth to work with. Everything we send out-video streams, audio streams, program guide and rating information, everything has to fit in that 19 megabits. I'm using a program called TSReader that is capable of looking at the entire stream and showing approximately how much bandwidth is being assigned to each part of the stream, so at WAKA-DT 8's request, here's a list of the local stations, along with the approximate bandwidth assigned to their primary stream:

WAKA 8 - 16 megabits
WSFA 12 - 11 megabits
WCOV 20 - 13 megabits
WAIQ 26 - 7 megabits
WNCF 32 - 15 megabits
WFRZ 34 - 15 megabits
WMCF 45 - 4 megabits

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Thank you all. I never thought I would see the day wsfa is the worst picture in town
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Yes, there are lots of factors, however it is not subjective. Football sucks on channel 12. It smears and blocks horribly. Every week, every game, all game. It's a complete mess and I have quit watching channel 12 completey. Make a post here when they get it together.

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This has been covered here at least a couple of times before... There are a lot of factors that can determine the perceived quality of digital video, the bitrate is pretty important. You can't make a comparison solely on bitrate, for example, the quality and age of the encoder can make a difference, and there are techniques (like statistical multiplexing, which basically allows a higher priority stream to "steal" bandwidth from a lower priority stream) that can make a program with a lower average bitrate look better than it would if the bitrate were fixed at the lower rate.

With the current digital broadcast standard, we have approximately 19 megabits of bandwidth to work with. Everything we send out-video streams, audio streams, program guide and rating information, everything has to fit in that 19 megabits. I'm using a program called TSReader that is capable of looking at the entire stream and showing approximately how much bandwidth is being assigned to each part of the stream, so at WAKA-DT 8's request, here's a list of the local stations, along with the approximate bandwidth assigned to their primary stream:

WAKA 8 - 16 megabits
WSFA 12 - 11 megabits
WCOV 20 - 13 megabits
WAIQ 26 - 7 megabits
WNCF 32 - 15 megabits
WFRZ 34 - 15 megabits
WMCF 45 - 4 megabits

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I am so glad WCOV has the 11:20 SEC game.WSFA had them up till this year. Great job yesterday WCOV! ROLL TIDE
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I am so glad WCOV has the 11:20 SEC game.WSFA had them up till this year. Great job yesterday WCOV! ROLL TIDE

And their HD really looked good...

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I dislike it when there is some big game that I want to watch on WSFA. Tonight is a good example (NYG@DAL). I can deal with the sub-standard HD picture to an extent. What I absolutely hate is when Rich Thomas thinks that entire screen needs to have maps plastered all over it. I know it is raining somewhere in Alabama tonight...I imagine Rich and crew are giddy with excitement knowing they get to have fun with their graphics tonight.
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I dislike it when there is some big game that I want to watch on WSFA. Tonight is a good example (NYG@DAL). I can deal with the sub-standard HD picture to an extent. What I absolutely hate is when Rich Thomas thinks that entire screen needs to have maps plastered all over it. I know it is raining somewhere in Alabama tonight...I imagine Rich and crew are giddy with excitement knowing they get to have fun with their graphics tonight.

At least 12 got rid of the maps quickly...channel 13, B'ham, kept the flash flood warning map on screen for almost the entire game...

I switched back and forth...stayed with 12 after the maps were removed because it was raining so hard here that I would get rain-fade on Dish channels for a minute or so...No rain-fade on 12 (OTA)!

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Anyone with a Dish 722 DVR and OTA.

I presume that OTA is going to look better than their LIL satellite version. Can you compare the picture/sound quality for the locals.

Also, do you happen to know which satellite the locals come in on. I've got a western installation plus a 61.5 dish. In order to get 61.5 to do right, I had to block one of the lnbs while doing a check switch. I'm trying to find out if the one I blocked and is now not functional the same one I need for locals.

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I have a 622 and OTA; usually OTA is slightly better PQ, imo.

The SD version of locals are on sat 110, the HD version of locals are on sat 129.
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Montgomery HD locals are on a 129 spot beam and SDs are on a 110 spot beam.

http://dishuser.org/129list.php
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