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You're not likely to get the Windham station (WYBN, RF 14) no matter what antenna you use unless you happen to be in a sweet spot not blocked by mountains. I've tried from a hilltop near Berne using a 4-bay bowtie (Channel Master CM-4221) and a Zenith Silver Sensor. Not a glimmer that any station was there. The only place I've been able to receive WYBN was the parking lot of the Valero station in Windham. They claim to cover the Capital Region but that's wishful thinking.
I had been trying to get WYBN ever since they signed on. But gave up a long time ago. I tried no less than 4 different outdoor antennas, and exchanged emails with the WYBN engineer. He saw no reason why I SHOULDN'T get it! ... which only aggravated me more. But TVFool has had it right all along, putting me in the "GREY" for WYBN, even though the station's contours have me within the acceptable pick up range. Frustrating. I too even took an antenna to an area south of the Heldebergs...and STILL couldn't get it! All I DID get was every sub-channel from Poughkeepsie! (ch. 48 I think?)
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How come I receive 45.3 CBS / WRGB and don't receive THIStv?

You'd think that CBS6 would be coming in on 6.1
WRGB only has ThisTV on 6.2
CBS 6 IS on 6.1 .... and 45.3 as you already know.


FYI: Channel 15 was analog, (ex; Antenna TV) ... then went with AMGTV programming. Used to be on the Heldeberg tower, then moved to Coxsackie. Word was, that they had a CP to go digital and move to RF 22. Don't know if that ever happened.
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I live less then 6 miles from amsterdam but unless I aim my rooftop at the station I don't get Ion. it is 2 edge just like yours. This means it reflects twice before reaching your antenna.
Never knew what "2 edge" meant. But I guess that's why your path is challenged? I'm twice as far from them as you are...(they're north/northwest), and I can get them fine even when pointing at the Heldebergs...in the opposite direction.

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I found these two antennas. Would either of these work for me?Is one better than the other, how so?Solid Signal HD-BLADE Amplified Indoor Digital Flat Indoor TV Antenna w/ 15FT Cable (HDBLADE100-15FT)
Model: HDBLADE100A-15FT
http://www.solidsignal.com/pview.asp...15FT&ss=421549

Winegard FL5500A FlatWave Amped Indoor HDTV Antenna (FL-5500A)
Model: FL5500A
http://www.solidsignal.com/pview.asp...500A&ss=421687
You're obviously determined to get a panel antenna, even though neither of these is well suited to the channels in our area. Neither will do well on channel 6--they're just not big enough--so you probably won't get This TV or WRGB in HD, at least not reliably (you already get WRGB in SD from WCWN's transmission). Both panels claim high VHF capability so you might get 7, 12 and 13 (WXXA, WNYT and WNYA respectively). Both have amplifiers but only the Winegard claims a low noise figure: 1 dB, which is exceptional and almost certainly better than your tuner's NF. Assuming it won't be overloaded by strong signals, that would be the better choice. It appears from the picture that the amp can't be removed from the cable as the Solid Signal's amp can and I don't know if there's a way to bypass it to compare reception with and without it.
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You're obviously determined to get a panel antenna, even though neither of these is well suited to the channels in our area.


Not really, I just want to find an eye pleasing antenna. The family would prefer not to have a metal monstrosity in the living room.

It has to be an HDTV indoor antenna (VHF/UHF) with a range of 40-50+ miles.


I know I'm asking a lot of questions. But I would like to know what my options are.
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I know I'm asking a lot of questions. But I would like to know what my options are.
You know, a lot of folks have had pretty good luck with the Clearstream 2 from Antenna's Direct. I own one, but am not actively using it at the moment. Although it's essentially an outdoor unit, it's small enough that many folks have it hanging indoors. The primary unit (that I have) is for UHF...but there's also a UHF/VHF version that comes with a VHF dipole. My niece and her husband have the 2-band version on their roof. When I was using it, (with UHF only) --- I could STILL get all the VHF stations...including CBS 6 (on 6) and ThisTV on 6.2 I actually did a review of the antenna on my blog site, http://lightsngear.com/review-clears...-hdtv-antenna/ I'd consider it if I were you.
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There is no longer a channel 15 it was analog before it went away, so your digital tuner wouldn't pick it up anyway.
Channel 15 is still analog... and still on the air! Just saw it this evening.
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Which one of these antenna should work best for me? Is the combo packs worth there costs?

Could any of these be mounted on a plywood base and placed behind a HDTV? Would a wall mount be better?

SMARTenna 35/50
http://www.channelmasterstore.com/SM.../cm-3000hd.htm

ClearStream™ 2V Long Range UHF/VHF Antenna Complete Combo Pack
https://www.antennasdirect.com/store...-Complete.html

ClearStream™ 2 Long Range Indoor UHF Antenna with Mount, Base Cover and 50 ft. Low Loss RG6 Coaxial Cable (MBS)
https://www.antennasdirect.com/store...V-Antenna.html

ClearStream™ 2V Long Range UHF/VHF Antenna
https://www.antennasdirect.com/store...V-Antenna.html

ClearStream™ 2 Long Range UHF TV Antenna
https://www.antennasdirect.com/store...V-antenna.html

ClearStream™ 2 Indoor/Outdoor DTV Antenna Combo Pack
https://www.antennasdirect.com/store...ith-Mount.html

Should I go with a UHF only antenna and hope it picks up the VHF stations? Would I be better off with a UHF/VHF antenna?
Below you see my current tv signal possibilities care of Anntennaweb, TVfool, AntennaPoint.

Antennaweb.org
Stations:
WCWN-DT 45.1 CW
RF Channel: 43
17 miles at 252°
Yellow

WMHT-DT 17.1 PBS
RF Channel: 34
17 miles at 252°
Yellow

WNYA-DT 51.1 MNT
RF Channel: 13
16 miles at 254°
Yellow

WNYT-DT 13.1 NBC
RF Channel: 12
17 miles at 252°
Yellow

WRGB-DT 6.1 CBS
RF Channel: 6
17 miles at 252°
Yellow

WTEN-DT 10.1 ABC
RF Channel: 26
17 miles at 252°
Yellow

WXXA-DT 23.1 FOX
RF Channel: 7
17 miles at 252°
Yellow

W44CT-D 44.1 3AB
RF Channel: 44
16 miles at 255°
Green

WNYT-LD 13.1 NBC
RF Channel: 18
7 miles at 29°
Green

WNGN-LP 38 FMN
RF Channel: 38
7 miles at 29°
Red

WYPX-DT 55.1 ION
RF Channel: 50
32 miles at 309°
Violet

TVFOOL:
Callsign Network Virtual Channel Band
Channel: 6 (RF 6) Strong Signal WRGB CBS 6-1 Lo-V
Channel: 10 (RF 26) Strong Signal WTEN ABC 10-1 UHF
Channel: 45 (RF 43) Strong Signal WCWN CW 45-1 UHF
Channel: 17 (RF 34) Strong Signal WMHT PBS 17-1 UHF
Channel: 13 (RF 12) Strong Signal WNYT NBC 13-1 Hi-V
Channel: 23 (RF 7) Strong Signal WXXA FOX 23-1 Hi-V
Channel: 51 (RF 13) Strong Signal WNYA MYTV 51-1 Hi-V
Channel: 55 (RF 50) Moderate Signal WYPX ION 55-1 UHF
Channel: 19 (RF 36) Weak Signal WCDC ABC 19-1 UHF
Channel: 2 (RF 29) No Signal WKTV NBC 2-1 UHF
Channel: 54 (RF 27) No Signal WTBY TBN 54-1 UHF
Channel: 28 (RF 9) No Signal WVER PBS 28-1 Hi-V

Digital:
WRGB 6 (6.1) CBS 16.8 LOS 66.2
WTEN-DT 26 (10.1) ABC 16.8 LOS 62.5
WCWN 43 (45.1) CW 16.8 LOS 61.2
WMHT-DT 34 (17.1) PBS 16.8 LOS 59.3
WNYT 12 NBC 16.8 LOS 58.2
WXXA-TV 7 (23.1) Fox 16.8 LOS 56.6
WNYT 18 NBC 6.9 LOS 55.4
WNYA-DT 13 (51.1) MyN 15.8 LOS 54.7
WNGN-LP 23 (38.1) 6.9 LOS 50.1
WVBG-LP 41 (41.1) 15.9 LOS 45.4
W44CT-D 44 16.1 LOS 42.3
WNCE-CD 31 40.8 LOS 29.8
WYPX-DT 50 (55.1) ION 31.6 2Edge 25.9
WNGX-LD 25 6.9 LOS 23.7
WCDC-DT 36 (19.1) ABC 27.2 1Edge 14.9
WYBN-LD 14 40.7 1Edge 13.1
WNYT 45 NBC 41.9 2Edge 10.7
WEPT-CD -- 22 (15.1) 47.2 1Edge 10.6
WKTV-DT 29 (2.1) NBC 69.0 2Edge -2.6
WVER-DT 9 (28.1) PBS 72.6 2Edge -3.0
WRNN-DT 48 (48.1) Ind 84.6 2Edge -4.7
WTBY-TV 27 (54.1) Ind 84.5 2Edge -5.7
W47CM 47 (47.1) 20.3 1Edge -6.0
W38DL-D 38 27.2 1Edge -6.0
W21CP-D 21 41.4 2Edge -6.2
W46EW-D 46 26.2 1Edge -7.1
W30DM-D 30 43.7 1Edge -7.8
WFNY-CD 48 44.1 2Edge -8.7
WRGB 24 CBS 53.7 2Edge -13.3

Analog:
WEPT-CD 15 20.7 LOS 40.2
WNGN-LP 38 6.9 LOS 38.0
W21CQ 21 23.8 LOS 26.1
W47CM 47 41.9 LOS 15.5
WVBG-LP 41 18.0 LOS -13.8

http://www.antennapoint.com/
WRGB CBS 6 6.1 VHF 4.46 kW Schenectady 16.79 mi 252.43°
WXXA-TV FOX 7 23.1 VHF 10.0 kW Albany 16.79 mi 252.43°
WNYT NBC 12 13.1 VHF 9.1 kW Albany 16.79 mi 252.43°
WNYA MYNTV 13 51.1 VHF 12.6 kW Pittsfield 16.79 mi 252.43°
WCWN CW 43 45.1 UHF 676.0 kW Schenectady 16.79 mi 252.43°
WMHT PBS 34 17.1 UHF 325.0 kW Schenectady 16.79 mi 252.43°
WTEN ABC 26 10.1 UHF 700.0 kW Albany 16.79 mi 252.43°
WCDC-TV ABC 36 19.1 UHF 48.0 kW Adams 27.15 mi 98.88°
WYPX ION 50 55.1 UHF 450.0 kW Amsterdam 31.58 mi 308.85°

So, where do I stand antenna wise?
UHF, VHF, UHF/VHF antenna? Stand or wall mount? Are there any other possible indoor antennas I could try?

Thx,

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Could any of these be mounted on a plywood base and placed behind a HDTV? Would a wall mount be better?
Thx,
I would think among the Clearstreams, that the U/VHF would be the best. I think your plywood idea would work. Although I've seen where users have hung the antenna on an interior wall close to the ceiling. Yes, I would imagine a wall mount would be better.
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I would think among the Clearstreams, that the U/VHF would be the best. I think your plywood idea would work. Although I've seen where users have hung the antenna on an interior wall close to the ceiling. Yes, I would imagine a wall mount would be better.
So the Clearstream UHF/VHF would be better. Should I go with the combos and pay extra to have the cables included?

Can it be placed close to the HDTV, or will that cause interference? Would I need any type of antenna amplifier?


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I'm getting closer to a selection. Thx all for the help so far.
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So the Clearstream UHF/VHF would be better. Should I go with the combos and pay extra to have the cables included?

Can it be placed close to the HDTV, or will that cause interference? Would I need any type of antenna amplifier?
Well, only because the Clearstream has a smaller profile, and a decent pickup range, is why I'm suggesting that it might work for you. There's also a version (which I believe is only for indoor use) that has only one loop...but it might be UHF only I'm not sure.

Only you would know what other accessories you might need, depending on how you envision setting it up. I wouldn't pay for too many extras, in case you're just going to stick it in the same room as the TV. I certainly wouldn't imagine that you'd need a amplifier. The only thing that could get tricky with an antenna like this, is where you said an adjustment is needed to get 55 from Amsterdam. Once you have it up somewhere, there might not be much room for additional tweaking! But if the locals are strong enough, you might be able to point it towards Amsterdam while STILL picking up 6,10,13, 17 etc......... That's what I'm able to do with mine.
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Hmm, I'm leaning towards getting a ClearStream™ 2V Long Range UHF/VHF Antenna Complete Combo Pack.

After some price matching, I ran across a few other antennas. Each has a 50+ miles range. All three of them can be found at RadioShack.com

Winegard FL6550A Flat Wave Air Outdoor Antenna
Winegard FL5000 Flat Wave HDTV Indoor Flat Antenna
RCA ANT1650F Flat Multi-Directional Antenna

Are any of these worth considering?
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After some price matching, I ran across a few other antennas. Each has a 50+ miles range. All three of them can be found at RadioShack.com

Winegard FL6550A Flat Wave Air Outdoor Antenna
Winegard FL5000 Flat Wave HDTV Indoor Flat Antenna
RCA ANT1650F Flat Multi-Directional Antenna
I don't know where you saw that the RCA has a 50 mile range! More like 20, if that. I had one of those once... I don't remember the model # but it looks the same. It was a DISASTER! A piece of junk. And I'm only 10 miles from the Heldebergs. I don't think they're any good on VHF, and I'd be really surprised if you could get ION (ch. 55) on it.

I can't comment on the Winegard.

Also remember, those flat antennas need to be PLUGGED IN to work. A big disadvantage.
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I don't know where you saw that the RCA has a 50 mile range! More like 20, if that. I had one of those once... I don't remember the model # but it looks the same. It was a DISASTER! A piece of junk. And I'm only 10 miles from the Heldebergs. I don't think they're any good on VHF, and I'd be really surprised if you could get ION (ch. 55) on it.

I can't comment on the Winegard.

Also remember, those flat antennas need to be PLUGGED IN to work. A big disadvantage.
http://www.radioshack.com/rca-ant165...l#.VL3t0abW0SU
RCA's ANT1650F Flat-Panel Antenna incorporates a patented design specifically for 360° digital TV reception that eliminates adjustments. It receives local HD and DTV broadcasts and supports 1080 resolution.
  • Patented, 360° multi-directional design eliminates need for constant adjustments
  • SmartBoost amplifier enhances reception by amplifying weak signals
  • Supports up to 1080i HDTV broadcasts for high-quality picture and sound
  • Receives local HD and Digital TV broadcasts for free
  • Slim profile disappears into surroundings
  • Range: 60 miles*
  • Cable type: Integrated 6-ft coaxial


I'm checking all the possibilities before I commit to one antenna. I'd like to do enough research online, then head to stores to see some up close.
My goal is to make one purchase, not multiple attempts.
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"My goal is to make one purchase, not multiple attempts."
Well the antenna's that are predicted to give you the best chance at the channels you want you have rejected.

If we give up on channel 6, RF6, all together, then my sugestion to you would be to find somewhere that has a good return policy and try out the VHF hi, UHF combo antennas that you listed in your previous post.
Get alot of cable so you can walk around the house in search of the best reception. Using a compass find the direction of the antenna farm from your location. Try to get the antenna as high as possible and a clear unobstucted line of sight to the tower. ie, if your TV is in the back room of your house and the antenna farm is straight out the front. Then you are going to want to run cable from the TV in the back to an antenna in the second story front window. Less obstruction, walls, trees, other buildings, the better your chances. Keep your antenna away from PC's, microwaves, anything with an electric motor, all these can cause interference.
Heck try these suggestions with the antenna you're using now.


"CA's ANT1650F Flat-Panel Antenna incorporates a patented design specifically for 360° digital TV reception that eliminates adjustments."
This is the exact reason why this antenna may not work for you. The more directional the more gain, the better reception.
Last thought, I've heard of people using the base and pole from a table umbrella to mount there antenna's. This way it can be put out on the porch, balcony and taken in when not needed. If the look is an issue.

I the end getting excellent reception is not about the look but, the functionality of the antenna.
Good luck, if you find the answer post it up.
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