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post #2371 of 2388 Old 12-08-2010, 12:55 PM
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Hello all,

I'd like to get some of the VHF-Hi channels here in Princeton NJ, especially ABC 6 and WHYY PBS 12. Here's a link to my TV Fool:

http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29&q=id%3d81a3e3e689b37a"]http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29&q=id%3d81a3e3e689b37a

Can anyone recommend a good antenna and preamp, if necessary? I'd like to stick it in my attic, as there's really no way you're gonna get me on top of my roof (plus the homeowners' association frowns upon it). I know I'll lose some signal strength and that the homeowner's association can't stop me.

I am also very handy, so if anyone has a link to something I can build that'd be fine as well!

Thank you!!
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Matt,

I installed two Channel Master CM3016 VHF/UHF suburban antennas in the attic of my two story frame colonial. One is aimed at New York City, about 40 miles to my northeast; the other at Philly 50 miles to my southwest). (My exact location- Southeastern Hillsborough NJ, N40° 28.3688', W074° 35.7299', about 10 miles north of Princeton). Antenna 1 hangs from an attic rafter and is pointed at NYC about four feet behind and about nine feet to the left of antenna 2, which is pointed at Philly.

The two antennas are combined (using a splitter in reverse), then immediately split using a second splitter.

A coax runs from the splitter output 1 to the basement, to a cheap Radio Shack 12db VHF-UHF distribution amplifier. It is then splitt four ways- to two digital converter boxes/TV's, one Hauppauge HVR950 ATSC stick/Dell PC, and one stereo FM receiver.

A coax runs from the spltter output 2 to a second spitter, then to two tv's in bedrooms beneath on the second floor (no amp in this branch)

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Devices on Antenna: 1 (Zenith DTT901 digital converter, 1 Magnavox TB100MW9 digital converter, and 1 HVR950)
Device on Antenna 2: Zenith DTT901 digital converter

Reception is strong on all stations from both NYC and Philly (including VHF 7, 11, 13 and 6, 12). I did have to play around with the antenna locations to get good reception from both cities; many trips up to the attic until I found the 'sweet spot', but in the end was able to get excellent digital reception from both cities without the need of an antenna rotator.

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I'm surprised that you're using a CM-3016. The web-site says the range is 45 miles. Am I wrong in assuming that I would need a 60-mile range antenna to compensate for the loss I experience from the attic installation?

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I'm surprised that you're using a CM-3016. The web-site says the range is 45 miles. Am I wrong in assuming that I would need a 60-mile range antenna to compensate for the loss I experience from the attic installation?

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Matt,

You are correct. The salesman at Solid Signal also said the CM-3016 said mounting in attic would probably be a problem. But due to attic constraints, I took a gamble and they are working in my attic (but as noted I did a lot of experimenting and moving them around to find hot spots where they worked for all channels. Particularly difficult was 13 from NYC and 12 from Philly). Since they are hard to return, if you have a lot of room in your attic, go for the next size up (CM3018, or CM2020 if you don't care about Philly channel 6).

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NJN, New Jersey Public television quietlywent off the air as of Thursday, June 30th. It has been taken over (at least Channel 52.x WNJT here in central NJ), by NJ Public Media and re-named NJTV-52. The details are still a bit murky, but there is apparently some form of 5-year management contract between the NJ Public Broadcasting Authority (NJPBA) and both WNET in the NYC area & WHYY in the south NJ/Philly area to continue operations as a non-profit entity with NJ focussed public interest programing and broader appeal standard PBS productions. Interestingly, NJPBA has retained the four FCC broadcast licenses, (RF-22-WNJS-23-Camden, RF-43-WNJT-52-Trenton, RF-51-WNJN-50-Montclair,RF-8-WNJB-58-New Brunswick), perhaps anticipating cashing in on the FCCs' proposed spectrum auction?
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NJN, New Jersey Public television quietlywent off the air as of Thursday, June 30th. It has been taken over (at least Channel 52.x WNJT here in central NJ), by NJ Public Media and re-named NJTV-52. The details are still a bit murky, but there is apparently some form of 5-year management contract between the NJ Public Broadcasting Authority (NJPBA) and both WNET in the NYC area & WHYY in the south NJ/Philly area to continue operations as a non-profit entity with NJ focussed public interest programing and broader appeal standard PBS productions. Interestingly, NJPBA has retained the four FCC broadcast licenses, (RF-22-WNJS-23-Camden, RF-43-WNJT-52-Trenton, RF-51-WNJN-50-Montclair,RF-8-WNJB-58-New Brunswick), perhaps anticipating cashing in on the FCCs' proposed spectrum auction?

seriously doubt that, new jersey has the right to recall their licenses if they feel that wnet managing their stations now, has not kept their end of their deal, as far fcc auctioning off the tv spectrum is plain bs.
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seriously doubt that, new jersey has the right to recall their licenses if they feel that wnet managing their stations now, has not kept their end of their deal, as far fcc auctioning off the tv spectrum is plain bs.

The state still owns the licenses. It's just that the stations are no longer being run by the state.
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NJN, New Jersey Public television quietlywent off the air as of Thursday, June 30th. It has been taken over (at least Channel 52.x WNJT here in central NJ), by NJ Public Media and re-named NJTV-52. The details are still a bit murky, but there is apparently some form of 5-year management contract between the NJ Public Broadcasting Authority (NJPBA) and both WNET in the NYC area & WHYY in the south NJ/Philly area to continue operations as a non-profit entity with NJ focussed public interest programing and broader appeal standard PBS productions. Interestingly, NJPBA has retained the four FCC broadcast licenses, (RF-22-WNJS-23-Camden, RF-43-WNJT-52-Trenton, RF-51-WNJN-50-Montclair,RF-8-WNJB-58-New Brunswick), perhaps anticipating cashing in on the FCCs' proposed spectrum auction?

Actually, WHYY bought NJN radio stations in the South Jersey area, they are not at all involved in the NJTV television management. That is totally controled by a WNET- Thirteen subsidiary.
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The State of New Jersey retained the NJN TV broadcast licenses (four transmitter sites), and the State continues to maintain and operate the transmitters at those sites. The contract with Public Media NJ concerns the provision of content to be transmitted.

And yes, the reason why the State retained the licenses - why the Legislature mandated that the TV licenses not be sold - is the anticipation that they may have value in some future spectrum aucthion.

This was not an issue for the radio operations, and as a result, all the former NJN radio licenses are in the process of being sold - those in northern New Jersey to New York Public Radio, and those in southern New Jersey to WHYY. In both cases, the stations are currently being operated by the assumed buyers, under operating agreements, pending FCC approval of the license transfers. In the south, WHYY is using these stations as extensions of it's primary broadcast area, feeding them the same programming as is on WHYY-FM. In the north, NYPR has chosen to maintain operations, as New Jersey Public Radio, with more or less the same programming that NJN used to carry...even to the extent of picking up and broadcasting the audio from the New Jersey Today, Summer Edition "newscasts" that are on NJTV. Presumably, the content on NJPR will change once the sale to NYPR is finalized.
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Any new updates on what OTA you can get from Jersey (notably the Jersey shore - Asbury Park area)
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OTA in Summit NJ, (~25 mi. west of ESB transmitter), has been losing channels 2 & 4 in the evening for the past couple of weeks. Reception is strong during the day but drops out around 8PM. Anyone else experiencing this?
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There's been very strong atmospheric propagation the past few days. I live in Alexandria, VA and decoded several stations from Boston a day or two ago.

A friend in Connecticut has seen stations as far away as North Carolina within the last 24 hours.

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Hey guys.

I'm in Hillsborough, NJ and comcast just cut our free OTA channels that we were picking up without additional hardware.
I'm not very experienced in installing outdoor antennas, etc. What are my options?

Here is my tvfool analysis:

http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29&q=id%3d46ae683463f9a5


Is indoor an option? It looks like the New York channels are about 39 miles away.
I only really watch the major locals: CBS, NBC, FOX, ABC, PIX.

I'll have to figure out how the wiring throughout my house goes in order to properly feed an outdoor signal.
Plus mounting and running wire. Seems like a lot of work that's probably out of my league.
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I live in the south eastern section of Hillsborough. I have two suburban vhf-uhf antennas in my attic, one directed at NYC, the other at Philly. I combine them using a splitter (in reverse), through an amplifier ( a good one) then split to tv's on second, first floor and basement. Get all stations in NYC, and all in Phily except 29. Comcast doesn't carry most Philly channels, so big plus. During Sandy power outage, I was only one in neighborhood that could watch tv (when my generator was running).

Let me know if you want additional info on how my house is wired for tv.

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I am sick of Comcast fees so I want to explore OTA options. I thought Winegard FL5000 would do the trick but boy I was wrong. It barely gets me a couple channels. I, too, am primarily interested in the major networks ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS, CW11, FOX, PBS.
I am in north end of Hillsborough, NJ. NYC stations are about 35 miles and Philly ones are about 50 miles.

TV fool report is
http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29&q=id%3de1c6cdbf440292

Like I said, I started with Winegard FL5000, which was clearly not sufficient. As I am reading, I need to move up to directional ones. I need to make sure I get all the major networks or else I will stay with cable.

Monoprice 7976 $20
Antennacraft HBU22 $40
AntennaCraft HBU33 $55
Antennas Direct C2-V-CJM ClearStream 2-V $85
CM-4228HD $95

I wish there was a way I could try before buying the right one. But I don't want to end up spending $100+ because then it makes sense to consider Aereo as it includes DVR in the $8/month price.

Any confident recommendations on the antenna that would be sufficient for my needs?

Thanks in advance
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the HBU22 on roof aimed @ empire state building should do for NYC channels. don't count on getting any reception other than junk like WNYJ at your location using an indoor antenna. good luck.

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I am sick of Comcast fees so I want to explore OTA options. I thought Winegard FL5000 would do the trick but boy I was wrong. It barely gets me a couple channels. I, too, am primarily interested in the major networks ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS, CW11, FOX, PBS.
I am in north end of Hillsborough, NJ. NYC stations are about 35 miles and Philly ones are about 50 miles.

TV fool report is
http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29&q=id%3de1c6cdbf440292

Like I said, I started with Winegard FL5000, which was clearly not sufficient. As I am reading, I need to move up to directional ones. I need to make sure I get all the major networks or else I will stay with cable.

Monoprice 7976 $20
Antennacraft HBU22 $40
AntennaCraft HBU33 $55
Antennas Direct C2-V-CJM ClearStream 2-V $85
CM-4228HD $95

I wish there was a way I could try before buying the right one. But I don't want to end up spending $100+ because then it makes sense to consider Aereo as it includes DVR in the $8/month price.

Any confident recommendations on the antenna that would be sufficient for my needs?

Thanks in advance
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the HBU22 on roof aimed @ empire state building should do for NYC channels. don't count on getting any reception other than junk like WNYJ at your location using an indoor antenna. good luck.

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Thanks for the quick reply.
HBU22 should be available at my Radioshack. I should have mentioned I will be doing attic installation. Can't get to roof.
I will report back.
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the HBU22 on roof aimed @ empire state building should do for NYC channels. don't count on getting any reception other than junk like WNYJ at your location using an indoor antenna. good luck.

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Thank you nyctveng. Your recommendation worked perfect. I am just blown away with coverage from Antennacraft HBU22!!

HBU22 arrived yesterday and in no time I was was in the attic pointing it towards NYC. I did a channel scan on my Tivo... and millions of channels (not really smile.gif)... but I think it was picking up about 40-50 channels without any amplifier and with great signal levels. I think I was getting all the channels even in the Red-coded zone. So the next hour was spent disabling the channels I will never watch. Basically, I stuck to the major networks and PBS and a couple more. To share some more details, a few days ago I had borrowed a non-amplified small Terk antenna from my neighbor and from my attic it picked up most major networks with average signal strength. I was getting occasional dropouts but I was thinking that was sufficient for me and I shouldn't have ordered HBU22. Nah... I am now glad I went with it. Next step, bye-bye Comcast cable TV smile.gif

HBU22 was super easy to assemble and perfect size for taking it up to my attic. Great on price too!
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Thank you nyctveng. Your recommendation worked perfect. I am just blown away with coverage from Antennacraft HBU22!!
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Glad it worked out for you!
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