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local channel reception problems

I live in Port Orchard and my channel 7, 11, and 22 keeps going out. I have the hardest time keeping these channels, especially 7 after the recent wind and rains. I am thinking I need a new outdoor antenna but am so confused as to what I should get. Do I need two antennas, one for vhf and one for uhf?
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Seattle, WA HD OTA Antenna HELP

Hello,

Looking to cut the cord finally and trying to figure out which long range antenna to go with.

Here's my report from TVFool.com:
http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wr...e2cbb21353f1fb

I am only interested in the major broadcast channels south of me, both UHF and VHF. They at 180° true north and 201° true north. Distance is 60 miles to both UHF and VHF receivers. Which antenna would serve me best for picking up these Seattle market channels?

I am able to mount the antenna off of my detached garage, which allows me to go up 30' - 50'. It also gives me an unimpeded sight line at 180° true north. 201° true north is slightly blocked by one tree.

Thanks!
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From this and other recent comments. "I have the hardest time keeping these channels, especially 7 after the recent wind and rains. I am thinking I need a new outdoor antenna but am so confused as to what I should get".

I have a directional antenna on the roof (Juanita - perhaps 100' above Lake Washington) , helped by Dan Kurts, pointing towards Queen Anne and Capital Hill. It's about 7 miles to the station antennas, with trees on my property, the neighbor, and a spur on a hill. I'm also receiving from ION - much farther and at right angles - rarely problems from that station but I don't use it much.

I might be able to take out a few branches on my trees, and (less likely) the neighbor's trees. The trees on the spur are not something I'm likely to be able to do much about.

I wonder if it would work to angle the antenna up by a few degrees. I'd need some different hardware to do that - and a stretch of good weather to try. Like now, but I don't have time.

I've seen some discussion about antennas on trees. That might work, if more height would help. A lot of effort to try, although I'd love to have tree climbing gear to remove branches and ivy for looks anyway.

Most of the antennas in the neighborhood (few and some appear to be totally disfunctional) are directional. One of the houses I walk past has an antenna like the DB8 from Antennas Direct - described as long-range bowtie. I wonder if a less directional antenna would be better. I don't know which way this is oriented, but I'll check. I just noticed that the DB8E has two panels that can be oriented differently.

Would it be better to have an antenna designed for shorter range, particularly if the antenna is directional? TV Fool says an internal antenna is OK, but it doesn't know about the trees.

Any comments appreciated.
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Sorry if this has already been mentioned, but just recently I'm seeing two channel 13-1 options, one listed as KCPQ-DT as before, and another now shown as just KCPQ. I'm getting slightly better signal strength with KCPQ, so I can now watch Seahawks games in 720p. I used to have to watch them on 22-2 in horrible 480i.

Anyone know anything about this? Is it maybe a signal booster antenna closer to Seattle they're running? It's the only thing I can guess with same channel getting more signal strength. Whatever it is, I hope it stays.

I read Fox abandoned their purchase of KBCB, so apparently it has nothing to do with anything in Bellingham.

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The mention of signal strength in @ Hi Def Fan 's message prompts me to ask if anyone has any recommendations for signal strength meters - such as the
Winegard RFL-342 SensarPro White TV Signal Strength Meter ?

I know it's not HD TV, rather HD Radio, but is anyone else experiencing only 1 channel from King FM for the last few days? The others seem to have stopped, both at home and in the car.

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Hello,

Looking to cut the cord finally and trying to figure out which long range antenna to go with.

Here's my report from TVFool.com:
http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wr...e2cbb21353f1fb

I am only interested in the major broadcast channels south of me, both UHF and VHF. They at 180° true north and 201° true north. Distance is 60 miles to both UHF and VHF receivers. Which antenna would serve me best for picking up these Seattle market channels?

I am able to mount the antenna off of my detached garage, which allows me to go up 30' - 50'. It also gives me an unimpeded sight line at 180° true north. 201° true north is slightly blocked by one tree.

Thanks!
Update - I have installed a channel master CM-2020 with a CM-7778 pre-amp. Antenna is about 35' above ground and pointed at 182 degrees true north. I pick up 10 channels - 7, 12, 13, 19, 24, 33 and 56 (incl. sub-channels). Signal strength for each channel ranges from 40-70%. No other items are installed.

I would really like to also pick up channels 4, 5, and 11. Would switching to the CM-7777 pre-amp provide enough boost to make this happen or would I need to switch to a different antenna?
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Despite moving closer to the towers in Seattle, I'm having a ton of trouble getting a good signal at my new place. Does anyone know of any professional antenna installers in the area that they'd recommend? I'm at the point where I'm going to have to (likely) do a roof mount and I'm not particularly comfortable getting up 3 stories high to mount an antenna.

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Happy 63rd anniversary to KOMO-4 Seattle. KOMO began broadcasting on Dec 10, 1953 and took NBC programming away from KMO-13 Tacoma..
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is it possible to somehow get KBTC's channel 16 repeater at my location instead of KONG's channel 16? clearly KONG's signal is stronger. http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wr...dfaf8d206d7948
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is it possible to somehow get KBTC's channel 16 repeater at my location instead of KONG's channel 16? clearly KONG's signal is stronger. http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wr...dfaf8d206d7948
You should be able to get both (theoretically) as the KBTC translator is on RF 16 (maps to 28.1) and the KONG transmitter is on RF 31 (maps to 16.1). The signal strength as shown on TV Fool for the KBTC signal is pretty low. Do you get KRUM (24.3 and 24.4) or K08OU? They are coming from the Capitol Hill towers as well and would indicate if you had enough gain in your system- KRUM especially as it is also a UHF signal.

I live in West Seattle and get KONG and the KBTC translator at the same time. If the KBTC signal goes away for any reason I do have to do a re-scan; punching in 16.1 manually gets me KONG.

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For the benefit of anyone that enjoys the King of Queens reruns like I do on KSTW, and has heard the low frequency rumbling background noise in those broadcasts lately, I just spoke to an engineer at the station and he confirmed the broadcasts are being sent that way lately.

He said they even just heard it in an episode that hasn't aired yet, which is why he's sure it's being sent to them in that condition. I think he said only KoQ and maybe one other show is affected by it. He's going to call the big wigs though, and hopefully it will be sorted soon.

My apologies if this has already been discussed.
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For the benefit of anyone that enjoys the King of Queens reruns like I do on KSTW, and has heard the low frequency rumbling background noise in those broadcasts lately, I just spoke to an engineer at the station and he confirmed the broadcasts are being sent that way lately.

He said they even just heard it in an episode that hasn't aired yet, which is why he's sure it's being sent to them in that condition. I think he said only KoQ and maybe one other show is affected by it. He's going to call the big wigs though, and hopefully it will be sorted soon.

My apologies if this has already been discussed.
I'm in the Las Vegas market, and see King of Queens on KGNG-47, a LPTV operation. It appears to me that however this station receives the program, whether from a sat signal or distributed download of some form, it is recorded in very low resolution, as the broadcast picture is quite murky or dark. Sorry but I didn't check the audio quality.

Will the last subscriber leaving Dish Network please turn off the satellite.
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From this and other recent comments. "I have the hardest time keeping these channels, especially 7 after the recent wind and rains. I am thinking I need a new outdoor antenna but am so confused as to what I should get".

I have a directional antenna on the roof (Juanita - perhaps 100' above Lake Washington) , helped by Dan Kurts, pointing towards Queen Anne and Capital Hill. It's about 7 miles to the station antennas, with trees on my property, the neighbor, and a spur on a hill. I'm also receiving from ION - much farther and at right angles - rarely problems from that station but I don't use it much.

I might be able to take out a few branches on my trees, and (less likely) the neighbor's trees. The trees on the spur are not something I'm likely to be able to do much about.

I wonder if it would work to angle the antenna up by a few degrees. I'd need some different hardware to do that - and a stretch of good weather to try. Like now, but I don't have time.

I've seen some discussion about antennas on trees. That might work, if more height would help. A lot of effort to try, although I'd love to have tree climbing gear to remove branches and ivy for looks anyway.

Most of the antennas in the neighborhood (few and some appear to be totally disfunctional) are directional. One of the houses I walk past has an antenna like the DB8 from Antennas Direct - described as long-range bowtie. I wonder if a less directional antenna would be better. I don't know which way this is oriented, but I'll check. I just noticed that the DB8E has two panels that can be oriented differently.

Would it be better to have an antenna designed for shorter range, particularly if the antenna is directional? TV Fool says an internal antenna is OK, but it doesn't know about the trees.

Any comments appreciated.
Mike
In the Oskam's Corner area, I'm not more than a mile or two from you. A lot depends on how far the antenna is placed from the trees and the density of those trees. I've had very large trees to work around for many years and when they were cut down (for other reasons) the reception did not improve dramatically. It's probably because of the nature of the antenna (first the CM-4221 recommended for me by Dan Kurts back in 2001, and now a Xtreme Signal HDB4X - 4-bay bowtie - from SolidSignal). These antennas seem to perform very well in this area where we're not very far from the towers but have a number of quite mature trees. I would give one of them a try if you haven't already.

BTW, if you've got a chimney, a chimney mounted mast will be easy to work with (about the easiest way to get it 20+ feet off the ground) and provide more reliable longevity than mounting to a tree. If that's not possible I would put it on a roof mount or a mount on the side of the house that extends beyond the eave, permitting generous height and adjustment. Trees become less of a factor as you get up higher.

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Anyone else following the upcoming "Channel Repack" changes that will affect off-air channel assignments in many cities, including Seattle?

http://www.tvtechnology.com/expertis...madness/280853
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Anybody know if KOMO and KUNS are at reduced power? I started having trouble last night (5/24) when the Mrs. wanted to watch "Dirty Dancing". I have a roof antenna for one TV and rabbit ears for the kitchen TV; reception on KOMO is very sketchy on the roof antenna TV and completely gone from the rabbit ears TV. Other QA stations seem unaffected.

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Anybody know if KOMO and KUNS are at reduced power? I started having trouble last night (5/24) when the Mrs. wanted to watch "Dirty Dancing". I have a roof antenna for one TV and rabbit ears for the kitchen TV; reception on KOMO is very sketchy on the roof antenna TV and completely gone from the rabbit ears TV. Other QA stations seem unaffected.

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Yes, but what about back in May?
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Yes, but what about back in May?
Hard to remember, but around that time we were doing some maintenance and at times we were at low power. All is well now.

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Hard to remember, but around that time we were doing some maintenance and at times we were at low power. All is well now.
I'm up on a hill in Marysville with a clear view to the south. KOMO 4 has been gone for at least a year for me. It used to be one of my strongest channels. Now, I can see that something is there, but I can't get enough signal to produce a picture. All the other channels come in very good, including the PBS station in Tacoma and the Fox station in Bremerton. According to TV Fool, I should get it when I'm pointed in the same direction used for KING and KIRO, towards Queen Anne Hill.

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I'm up on a hill in Marysville with a clear view to the south. KOMO 4 has been gone for at least a year for me. It used to be one of my strongest channels. Now, I can see that something is there, but I can't get enough signal to produce a picture. All the other channels come in very good, including the PBS station in Tacoma and the Fox station in Bremerton. According to TV Fool, I should get it when I'm pointed in the same direction used for KING and KIRO, towards Queen Anne Hill.
Hey Whidbey,

I live in Marysville as well and I'm able to hit KOMO (barely), but I actually had to put an amp on my antenna to reach it and it's about 30 feet up on the roof too! I know it can be frustrating for sure getting it dialed in.

Can you PM me (or post) your TVFool report?

Are you running any splits of your signal from your antenna? Amps? Etc?

According to your TV, what signal number is it giving you?

Sorry for the amount of questions, just want to try to hone in on it and try to assist!

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Hey Whidbey,

I live in Marysville as well and I'm able to hit KOMO (barely), but I actually had to put an amp on my antenna to reach it and it's about 30 feet up on the roof too! I know it can be frustrating for sure getting it dialed in.

Can you PM me (or post) your TVFool report?
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Are you running any splits of your signal from your antenna? Amps? Etc?
Channel Master 4228, Channel Master Preamplifier, Channel Master Rotator, wire is split between 2 TVs after the signal amplifier with a good quality splitter. I replaced the 12 or 13 year old baluns and associated connections just this week with some new Channel Master ones. That seems to have improved the signal a bit.

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According to your TV, what signal number is it giving you?
My signal strength varies. I spent some time today dialing it in and I was able to get the strength up to 30% with a signal quality of 65% to 80%, which is good enough for a steady picture. But, it drops to 28% with a signal quality of 1% now and then for no apparent reason. For comparison, KIRO and KING come in with 50% to 70% signal strength and 100% signal quality and are very reliable.

Enjoying crystal clear TV for free.

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Channel Master 4228, Channel Master Preamplifier, Channel Master Rotator, wire is split between 2 TVs after the signal amplifier with a good quality splitter. I replaced the 12 or 13 year old baluns and associated connections just this week with some new Channel Master ones. That seems to have improved the signal a bit.



My signal strength varies. I spent some time today dialing it in and I was able to get the strength up to 30% with a signal quality of 65% to 80%, which is good enough for a steady picture. But, it drops to 28% with a signal quality of 1% now and then for no apparent reason. For comparison, KIRO and KING come in with 50% to 70% signal strength and 100% signal quality and are very reliable.
Sorry for the long delay....never got a notification on your reply. I have made sure that is on.

So...on to the bad news.....

We are in a terrible area for reception.



Marysville and North Marysville is in a shadow of reception for KOMO. (see attachment)

This is due to the topography of the area, so unless you can get your antenna really really (really) high, it will be hit and miss at times depending on atmospheric conditions. KIRO and KING come at ever so slightly different placements and elevation, hence why you can get them better then KOMO. For example, at my home, my signal is about 30-35% for KOMO, and I can't get KING at all.

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