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post #2371 of 2393 Old 11-25-2016, 07:58 AM
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Could be the Tutt media stations will add Cozi. They are always flipping networks anyway. They no longer have antenna tv, and carry Retro TV now on the Jacksonville tower.
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Can someone explain how WTMV can qualify for must carry coverage in Pender and Columbus county but New Hanover or Brunswick?
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zap2it tv listings is now showing guide data for the new channel mapping on channel 3 and 10. they also show the 'HD' label on both 3.1(ABC) and 3.2(CBS), but NOT for 3.3( CW).

Perhaps an indication that CW will only be broadcast in standard definition.

CBS isn't showing any affiliation as far as what they are broadcasting, and they are playing reruns from mostly CBS shows from 2013 on.
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Looks like they will be using the syndicated American sports network content for their weekend sports programming
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Why is CBS being broadcast in 720p? Also the PSIP still reads "CW-HD". The CW on Cozi is in 480i. I won't watch CBS in 720 when I can watch WNCT in 1080i. They do have problems of their own, but most shows work.
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You want HD, we'll give you HD, but you ain't gonna like it.....

I'm showing 720p on 3-1 and 3-2, 480i on 3-3, but it's Seinfeld, and I don't think that was originally HD.

Was ABC on WWAY 720p before? Or 1080i?

Maybe it's just the particular shows, but PQ is not great tonight. Dark and grainy.

Maybe they're sharing a bit more bandwidth for CBS than they did for The CW when it was on 3-2, robbing a bit from ABC? And surely they'll broadcast primetime CW in HD? Then there will be 3 HD channels sharing the original bandwidth?

Maybe there will be some trickery to maintain picture quality...

Every day I find more reasons to stop watching TV... the upside is maybe I won't ever upgrade to a 4k set after my current one dies... I'll just get a 42" 720p for $100... LOL
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Well, give them some more time, but I think the answer is, yes, the PQ is suffering.
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ABC is provided to the affiliates in 720p, and my records indicate that WWAY has always provided it in 720p. Similarly, the CW+ feed that stations in smaller markets like Wilmington use is also provided in 720p, which is the format WWAY provided it in.

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Well, give them some more time, but I think the answer is, yes, the PQ is suffering.
CBS looks dark and grainy to me as well, like they could be up converting, or down converting? (not sure of exact term) WNCT looks way better. WWAY should be able to do 1080i. WNCT does it, and has CW at 720, and Get TV at 480i. We notice some picture issues, but it's not too bad.
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Using my MythTV DVR, I am seeing 3.8 GB per hour for CBS, and 2.8 GB per hour for ABC. Last year, ABC was 3.9 GB and CW was 3.1 GB. I am using HDHR tuners, and there is no transcoding happening for those sizes above.

I did a test yesterday, with ABC, CBS, and CW being recorded, and I saw a peak of 19.2 Mbps data rate with a low of about 18.0 Mbps during the test.

They are all MPG2 streams.
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Still looks washed out.

I wonder now how long it will be before FOX 26 ends up on 6.2? This trend is likely all over the country if the bureaucrats can ram it through.
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Well, we, the ones that still care about optimal picture quality, who use an antenna for network reception, and carefully select a large screen display, and make some calibration efforts, are a dying group. So many people now are just as happy it seems watching their entertainment on their phone or tablet--the same group who are happy listening to music with only ear buds (small picture, small sound). Although with the low entry price for even UHD TV, a lot of peope are buying larger screens, but probably content with the default out of box cartoon mode that looks nothing like reality (granted, it seems more TV's have better default settings than ever before).

It is what it is... all to say that I wouldn't foresee much if any resistance to lower PQ as more HD is crammed into limited bandwidth. Or maybe there will continue to be a larger shift to streaming--IF it ends up having better PQ than OTA or Sat/cable. Even then, we'll likely still be a minority that pays close attention to PQ...
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The picture is looking clearer now to me on WWAY CBS, anyone else? I also noticed one of my TV's picked up the new channel labels, so the ones that didn't I did a new scan, and found them. The guide data is right now also. Hopefully the next step will be 1080. I also notice the CW is not blotchy like it originally was. That is good, since a lot of people want to watch that. WECT is still the clearest looking picture around next to PBS that I can view.
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The picture is looking clearer now to me on WWAY CBS, anyone else? I also noticed one of my TV's picked up the new channel labels, so the ones that didn't I did a new scan, and found them. The guide data is right now also. Hopefully the next step will be 1080. I also notice the CW is not blotchy like it originally was. That is good, since a lot of people want to watch that. WECT is still the clearest looking picture around next to PBS that I can view.
I agree with all of your above observations, but WWAY-ABC pq still looks worse than ever to me. Sadly, this decline in quality is really magnified by my newest large screen Samsung TV.
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So what's the deal with the new channel relocation I've been hearing about moving everything below 36 that will be happening in the foreseeable future? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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So what's the deal with the new channel relocation I've been hearing about moving everything below 36 that will be happening in the foreseeable future? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Let's hope not. I never liked the idea from the beginning.
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Let's hope not. I never liked the idea from the beginning.
Well I'm assuming technically it will be the actual channel numbers but keep the virtual numbers. I don't know much about it. I just saw a little bit about some spectrum auction that had been going on. And some channels would have to move to 36 and below. Haven't ready any details.

I don't know exactly where it all began in this thread I really can't follow what they're talking about. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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What it basically does is turn over the channels above 36 to wireless giants. The broadcast channels would auction off the spectrum, and some would move to the low end of the dial, like VHF low channels 2-6, which are not very suitable for digital due to the noise factor. I don't know if power would be allowed to be increased, or if stations would even go to those channels voluntarily. Some channels may decide to join their competitors physical channel as a secondary feed... This is how I have interpreted the whole transition, I may be off on some things... Also there is talk about some new kind of signal being broadcast and another complete transition to that new technology... New TV's and the whole bit. (higher resolution)
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What it basically does is turn over the channels above 36 to wireless giants. The broadcast channels would auction off the spectrum, and some would move to the low end of the dial, like VHF low channels 2-6, which are not very suitable for digital due to the noise factor. I don't know if power would be allowed to be increased, or if stations would even go to those channels voluntarily. Some channels may decide to join their competitors physical channel as a secondary feed... This is how I have interpreted the whole transition, I may be off on some things... Also there is talk about some new kind of signal being broadcast and another complete transition to that new technology... New TV's and the whole bit. (higher resolution)
Thanks for some clarification. I also understand there's a new technology coming in TVs this year called HLG which allows for UHD and HDR the overcurrent broadcasting capabilities. And I understand there's also ATSC 3.0. Have not read up on either of those much yet either.

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FCC Greenlights ATSC 3.0

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We can't even get good 1080i broadcasts on cable now, due to them watering it down. Even OTA has become rough. I think we should improve and fix what we have before we try something else... I know I don't want to watch TV on a small handheld screen.
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Some updates

ABC and CBS are 720p while CW is 480p on WWAY.

WILM and WILT have dropped to 720p and have added the American Sports Network on .3 subchannel

WTMV has had Cozi on 29.1 and bumped everything else down expanding to 4 subchannels total.
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WTMV has appears to have dropped antenna TV

29.1 Cozi (1080i)
29.2 Movies
29.3 Heroes and Icons
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