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post #631 of 17795 Old 11-05-2003, 02:15 PM
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Originally posted by RichYak
Read this thread.

Oh! Excellent!!!!
Now if I could only receive the damn signal from ABC. I live in upper westchester (Ossining) and I use a RCA double bow tie antenna. CBS comes in at 70 and FOX is at 50, ABC is only at a measly 5.
I wonder if the Zenith silver sensor antenna would do the job?
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Having just moved from Ossining, I'm surprised you get those stations as well as you do with the RCA double bowtie. The Zenith Silver Sensor might work for you; it was intermittent for me. However, you may need to go rooftop. In Ossining, I got very good OTA reception using the Winegard Sensar w/pre-amp.
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I wish I could go rooftop but I live in a condo complex and its verbotten!
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I wish I could go rooftop but I live in a condo complex and its verbotten!

Actually its against the law for them to prohibit you from installing a rooftop antenna. This has been discussed quite a bit. I'd recommend a search of the forums.

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jscnyc, what kind of tv do you have that you say ABC looked better than CBS?
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I have a 1080 mits, I realize abc is 720, not my native. but abc dt looked excellent to me last night compared to the other digi channels.i noticed it to be really clear and vivid. so if my tv does only 1080, and i receive the ota 720p sign. what happens is my 1080i set de-nterlaces it and then makes the 720p lines and scales them to 1080 interlaced lines to my screen? is this correct? it still looks awesome.

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jscnyc, what kind of tv do you have that you say ABC looked better than CBS?


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Hello all.

I am formerly from New Jersey, but moved to Virginia about 9 years ago.

At Thanksgiving, we hope to make a trip be visit and stay with my grandparents. I will be bringing the digital tuner.

They are located in Fair Lawn, and I will be using my Silver Sensor + CM7777 unless I can figure out how to get a signal from the antenna they haven't used since 11-01.

Here's what I'm expecting based on what I've read, tell me if I'm correct:

56 WCBS-DT CBS Receivable
28 WNBC-DT NBC Receivable if on air
44 WNYW-DT FOX Receivable
45 WABC-DT ABC Receivable
38 WWOR-DT UPN WAAH! No UPN HD...
12 WPIX-DT TWB Not Sure
61 WNET-DT PBS Not Sure
22 WLIW-DT PBS Not Sure
24 WNYE-DT PBS Receivable
30 WPXN-DT PAX Receivable if STA is operating by then
40 WXTV-DT UNI Not Sure
47 WNJU-DT TEL Not on air?
52 WEDW-DT PBS Not Sure
51 WNJN-DT PBS Not Sure
27 WTBY-DT TBN Not Sure
57 WLNY-DT IND Not expecting it
08 WNJB-DT PBS Not Sure
48 WRNN-DT News Hopeful, but not sure (are they on yet?)
18 WMBC-DT ETH Not expecting it
29 WFME-DT REL Not Sure
23 WFTY-DT FUT Not expecting it
53 WFUT-DT FUT Not Sure


Thanks!

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For me, the 720p (i was watching 8 simple rules) looked MUCH softer compared to sitcoms on cbs. Same for MNF. Looked darn good, but still lacked something due to the conversion. I have a Toshiba 57hdx82, with my STB set to output 1080i. What size is your tv?
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I have a 65" mits diamond series, I didn't catch that show but did catch the one after. I think it was "I'm with her" a chick show with alot of bright scenes w/alot of color. I thought it really looked great

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For me, the 720p (i was watching 8 simple rules) looked MUCH softer compared to sitcoms on cbs. Same for MNF. Looked darn good, but still lacked something due to the conversion. I have a Toshiba 57hdx82, with my STB set to output 1080i. What size is your tv?


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Originally posted by Trip in VA
Hello all.

I am formerly from New Jersey, but moved to Virginia about 9 years ago.

At Thanksgiving, we hope to make a trip be visit and stay with my grandparents. I will be bringing the digital tuner.

They are located in Fair Lawn, and I will be using my Silver Sensor + CM7777 unless I can figure out how to get a signal from the antenna they haven't used since 11-01.

Here's what I'm expecting based on what I've read, tell me if I'm correct:

56 WCBS-DT CBS Receivable
28 WNBC-DT NBC Receivable if on air
44 WNYW-DT FOX Receivable
45 WABC-DT ABC Receivable
38 WWOR-DT UPN WAAH! No UPN HD...
12 WPIX-DT TWB Not Sure
61 WNET-DT PBS Not Sure
22 WLIW-DT PBS Not Sure
24 WNYE-DT PBS Receivable
30 WPXN-DT PAX Receivable if STA is operating by then
40 WXTV-DT UNI Not Sure
47 WNJU-DT TEL Not on air?
52 WEDW-DT PBS Not Sure
51 WNJN-DT PBS Not Sure
27 WTBY-DT TBN Not Sure
57 WLNY-DT IND Not expecting it
08 WNJB-DT PBS Not Sure
48 WRNN-DT News Hopeful, but not sure (are they on yet?)
18 WMBC-DT ETH Not expecting it
29 WFME-DT REL Not Sure
23 WFTY-DT FUT Not expecting it
53 WFUT-DT FUT Not Sure


Thanks!

- Trip

You should probably be able to receive 51 WNJN-DT. I really enjoy watching the national PBS feed when they carry it - between 8 and midnight. There have been times when they didn't carry it; I believe it was because the feed only had the HD demo at the time. They have 5 sub-channels, though when the national feed is available, only 3 are present. The national feed sub-channel (51-5) is always present, but there will be nothing on the sub-channel outside of the 8-midnight range.

48 WRNN-DT is on the air, though just about every time I pass by that station there is an infomercial on. They were showing a college football game last Saturday, but the picture quality left a lot to be desired. (I don't think it was a recent game.) As Murphy's Law dictates - that is the station which my tuners receive the strongest signal strength (over 70 on the RCA DTC-100, while CBS on that same tuner only comes in at about 40). It's probably because their origin is to the North (relative to me) and there are fewer obstructions.

WWOR-DT (UPN affiliate) is currently a sub-channel on WNYW-DT's 44. The picture quality is usually very disappointing.
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You should probably be able to receive 51 WNJN-DT. I really enjoy watching the national PBS feed when they carry it - between 8 and midnight. There have been times when they didn't carry it; I believe it was because the feed only had the HD demo at the time. They have 5 sub-channels, though when the national feed is available, only 3 are present. The national feed sub-channel (51-5) is always present, but there will be nothing on the sub-channel outside of the 8-midnight range.

The problem is, how far away is their micro-transmitter from Fair Lawn? I'm concerned it won't make it.

48 WRNN-DT is on the air, though just about every time I pass by that station there is an infomercial on. They were showing a college football game last Saturday, but the picture quality left a lot to be desired. (I don't think it was a recent game.) As Murphy's Law dictates - that is the station which my tuners receive the strongest signal strength (over 70 on the RCA DTC-100, while CBS on that same tuner only comes in at about 40). It's probably because their origin is to the North (relative to me) and there are fewer obstructions.

I think they only run news during primetime.

WWOR-DT (UPN affiliate) is currently a sub-channel on WNYW-DT's 44. The picture quality is usually very disappointing.


I know. Boo-hoo. At least UPN will be clear for me, which is a big change. My nearest UPN digital that isn't at flea-power is 110 miles, but it's so screwed up I can't decode it. The one after that is 125 miles and HD in Virginia Beach. So any quality's fine, as long as it's not snowy. I won't notice.

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I have lost all reception of fox, sub ch wor & 7.01 .02 the only one is cbs dt, but that also dropped earlier. whats up, any testing? has anyone in the area noticing this. i mean cbs dt ota has always been solid. thanks

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I have lost all reception of fox, sub ch wor & 7.01 .02 the only one is cbs dt, but that also dropped earlier. whats up, any testing? has anyone in the area noticing this. i mean cbs dt ota has always been solid. thanks

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I can get all of them, but the ESB ones are harder than usual to pick up, for some reason. But I CAN get 2-1, 5-1, 5-2, 7-1, and 7-2.
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I noticed I lost WPIX-DT & CBS-DT dropped and came right back immediatly. I hope its further testing to include everyon getting good reception. if not im screwed.

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I can get all of them, but the ESB ones are harder than usual to pick up, for some reason. But I CAN get 2-1, 5-1, 5-2, 7-1, and 7-2.


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I don't get it, so what happened? According to that thread, there were no locals. I was watching Friends on cable and had no problems.
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I live in central NJ and noticed over the last week or so that I can no longer obtain the CBS HDTV signal with my indoor RS bowtie anntena. Has anyone else experienced the same problem?

ABC HDTV (7.1) has just been great the last week...
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Can anyone give an answer to why i no longer receive ch 7, 5 sub 9 and 11 ota? fox is fine via cable but NO ota.

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Recently it was noted that most of the NY area broadcasters are not including guide data in their PSIP. At some point since then, WCBS-DT has started providing the guide; I happened to notice that on Saturday. If my observations were correct, each entry had a program title and most of the entries had program descriptions.
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I noticed the same thing. ABC has no program info WPIX has had it for a few months. Last week CBS had some incorrect psip data that was picked up by my zenith HDR230. It seemed to cause problems with my recorder. Thursday night from 8-11 showed the "price is right" each of the three hours

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Bizarre situation tonight with channel 5 and channel 7.

Channel 5 appears as 5.01, 7.01, and 7.02 ????????

Channel 7 appears as 7.01 and 7.02.

If I input 7.01 I get the WABC HD PSIP (7.01) but the Fox channel 5 picture (5.01). If I go up one channel I again get WABC HD PSIP (7.01) and the ABC picture (HD). If I go up again I get the WABC SD PSIP (7.02) but I again receive the Fox channel 5 picture. If I again go up a channel I again get the WABC SD PSIP (7.02) and I now receive the WABC broadcast.

How can I have 2 different channels with the same PSIP ????

Has anyone else noticed this??

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It certainly is nice to have Monday Night Football in HDTV, and a great game it was last night. In comparing it to the HDTV football available on CBS I have two observations. I am watching on a 50" Panasonic LCD RPTV. Native resolution is 720p. STB is T351 using DVI. I sit 9' away.

First it is clear that the blurry movement as a result (probably) of 1080i on CBS is much reduced and the motion which is so much part of a football game is given better reproduction on ABC. That was not much of a surprise, except that the difference is clearer than I had anticipated.

What does surprise me is that the picture generally (without considering the movement) is a good deal sharper on CBS. It is razor sharp even at my close viewing distance. Textures are more discernable. I write here only of live football broadcasts.

Since my TV is native 720p, and an extra conversion stage which I have done in the STB is required by the 1080i CBS transmision, I am at a loss to explain this observation.

Is the ABC equipment less sophisticated or up to date, anywhere from cameras on up to transmission? Any other explanation?

Has anyone else observed what I have?
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Originally posted by uncertainty
I live in central NJ and noticed over the last week or so that I can no longer obtain the CBS HDTV signal with my indoor RS bowtie anntena. Has anyone else experienced the same problem?

ABC HDTV (7.1) has just been great the last week...

I am located in Union County and like you I can no longer receive CBS 56 using a 4228 with pre-amp and rotator. Its been about 2 weeks for me too. I can receive channels 44 and 45 without a problem.

My best guess is that I needed the leaves helped with the reception for 56 and now they are gone.
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Maybe it's my altitude in Morris Plains (400 ft), but I get all of those just fine with my RS double bowtie without a preamp, in the middle of the room away from the windows. CBS comes in the strongest as usual. Leaves would hurt your signal, not help it, so I am confused.
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According to the Zenith HD channel guide WNBC will be available on Channel 28 12/31/03 and WWOR on Channel 33 1/1/04.

http://titantvretailzone.com/rz/reta...asp?pid=zenith
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I think you meant channel 38 for WWOR. Channel 33 is the UHF channel for WPIX, currently broadcasting at low power on channel 12 (VHF).

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I just hooked up OTA about 20 minutes ago. These channels are there* I'm not getting WABC however. 11216 Brooklyn


WPIX
WNYW
WCBS
Some spanish channel* WFUT??

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They're probably not on the air right now. You'll probably have no problem getting them when they are on since WFUT-DT is at the same location as WABC-DT and at lower power.
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I would not hold my breath for the 12/31/03 release date of NBC digital. That is sounding quite optomistic, and probably quite wrong.

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