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post #17971 of 17983 Old 03-13-2015, 04:44 PM
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Let me get this straight metv is moving to 33.1. But they're still on real ch3. Is the virtual ch that is moving to 33 ? . Ps. Some stb might have issues tuning in metv.
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Thanks. I wasnt sure if there was anything on there now to test the signal strength.
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Let me get this straight metv is moving to 33.1. But they're still on real ch3. Is the virtual ch that is moving to 33 ? . Ps. Some stb might have issues tuning in metv.
That's correct. This has been discussed here extensively and if you want to read through all the debate/discussion, it begins around page 590.

Honestly, in a few years this may not even make any difference whatsoever. PMCM TV has very valuable RF spectrum regardless of its band location which would realize tens of millions of dollars if/when (but most likely "when") they sell it.

The spectrum auction is coming up soon. The multi-billion dollar Fox Broadcasting Company is the licensee of both WNYW and WWOR-TV, and any third-grader can figure out that the corporation is NOT holding either or both. In the most likely scenario to play out, Fox cashes out RF 38 and RF 44 for over $150 million a piece. Fox then approaches PMCM TV with an offer to buy RF 3 for $100 million (PMCM TV bought RF 3 in Ely, Nevada for just over $1 million) PMCM TV then has the tough choice of whether to continue providing the New York City market with programming that is over fifty years old, or take $100 million to cash out RF 3. After deliberating for a full ten seconds, PMCM TV elects to accept Fox's $100 million offer.

Who wins? The voluntary assignment of all the licenses is approved YESTERDAY by the overjoyed FCC, PMCM TV nets $99 million (less expenses) in profit, Fox nets $225 million (less expenses) in profit, the FCC sells more spectrum to the wireless phone corporation, and the entire virtual channel number debate for RF 3 at Middletown Township (ultimately relocated to New York, NY.) is ended because Fox shall use virtual channels 5-1 and 9-1 on RF 3.
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If you get it now, you will continue to get it after, but you may or may not need to rescan. If you do not get it now, this change will do nothing to help that.

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So I won't have to go through all those contortions I did to get channel 3.11 with my rabbit ears to pull in channel 33.1?

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So I won't have to go through all those contortions I did to get channel 3.11 with my rabbit ears to pull in channel 33.1?
The broadcast frequency of WJLP (~60 MHz) is not changing. That would require them a new transmitter, or one with major antenna / equipment modifications. So, if you needed to extend your rabbit ears to their full length and place them in front of a window facing the towers in order to receive this station before, you will need to continue.

Your STB or TV Tuner MIGHT begin seeing the channel as virtual 33.1 and 33.2 automatically when they make the switch. This is not guaranteed, which is why the station is asking its viewers to rescan.

The only good thing about this change is that I will no longer need to use a 4 digit custom channel mapping for my ReplayTVs to my CM-7000 STBs...

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So I won't have to go through all those contortions I did to get channel 3.11 with my rabbit ears to pull in channel 33.1?

They are still broadcasting on LOW VHF 3. Which sucks. Your TV tuner will see the station as 33.1 which is in the UHF range. Just like PBS NJ is broadcasting middle VHF 8.1 but virtual 58.1 in NJ. My tuner will see it as station 58.1. WABC 7 is real 7.1 and virtual 7.1. PIX is real 11.1 and virtual 11.1. WNET is virtual 13.1 and real 13.1.


There are many stations where the real channel number and virtual are the same and many where they are different. It is kind of silly why this was all put in place and not corrected as part of the digital transition. It is the same stupid reasoning that is used to change the clocks twice a year.
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Just once, could someone... anyone... prove at least one instance... ONE... in which an OTA viewer of either KYW-TV or WFSB has experienced destructive interference and/or disruption to their ability to view either respective channel due to the on-air presence of WJLP????

The question is fair seeing as this is the chief complaint plaintiffs have argued as to why WJLP should surrender virtual 3-##.
It would have been nice if the rules were written, during the digital transition / assignment phase, that a station in-market or in an adjacent market would get rights to set their virtual channel to their real channel number over those stations who elected to transition their broadcast to some other frequency. So, if KYW never left RF 3, that is the only way they keep their claim on Virtual 3 over someone in an adjacent market who is now broadcasting on RF 3...
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WJLP Middletown Township is now broadcasting using virtual channel 33.

No rescan was necessary. And for most tuners, a rescan will not be necessary.

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The broadcast frequency of WJLP (~60 MHz) is not changing. That would require them a new transmitter, or one with major antenna / equipment modifications. So, if you needed to extend your rabbit ears to their full length and place them in front of a window facing the towers in order to receive this station before, you will need to continue.

Your STB or TV Tuner MIGHT begin seeing the channel as virtual 33.1 and 33.2 automatically when they make the switch. This is not guaranteed, which is why the station is asking its viewers to rescan.

The only good thing about this change is that I will no longer need to use a 4 digit custom channel mapping for my ReplayTVs to my CM-7000 STBs...

Cheers!
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Thank you for sharing that good advice and information, Doug.
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The broadcast frequency of WJLP (~60 MHz) is not changing. That would require them a new transmitter, or one with major antenna / equipment modifications. So, if you needed to extend your rabbit ears to their full length and place them in front of a window facing the towers in order to receive this station before, you will need to continue.

Your STB or TV Tuner MIGHT begin seeing the channel as virtual 33.1 and 33.2 automatically when they make the switch. This is not guaranteed, which is why the station is asking its viewers to rescan.

The only good thing about this change is that I will no longer need to use a 4 digit custom channel mapping for my ReplayTVs to my CM-7000 STBs...

Cheers!
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Well I now cannot get WJLP on my old TV with set top box (I was getting it with this set top box before at 3.11). I will attempt to rescan and see if that does anything. My other modern LCD TV tuned the channel switch on its own (no rescan necessary) and receives WJLP, no problem.
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Update: Upon rescan of my set top box, I pull in 33.1 (labeled MeTV) as clearly as before . There is still an empty channel at 3.11 (labeled WJLP) for some reason.

I also noted that rescanning corrected my many recent EPG errors (like "No Information" on WJLP, mixed up subchannel guide info on the Channel 11's, etc.)

I still wish I could get Retro TV.
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WJLP's change from virtual channel 3 to virtual channel 33 (while remaining on real channel RF 3, VHF-Lo) may have very little impact on OTA viewers (other than the inconvenience of causing some remote controls to get "confused"), but it could have significant adverse impacts on WJLP's marketing strategy.

If the cable companies decide to put WJLP into a slot that is far removed from the other broadcast channels, such as WCBS (virtual 2) and WNBC (virtual 4), that could cause cable TV viewers to run across WJLP less frequently while channel surfing. It would also send the message that WJLP is being deemed unworthy of a plum slot.

But, cable TV may go down the drain soon anyway. Who has money to be paying the high prices the cable companies want nowadays?
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The spectrum auction is coming up soon. The multi-billion dollar Fox Broadcasting Company is the licensee of both WNYW and WWOR-TV, and any third-grader can figure out that the corporation is NOT holding either or both. In the most likely scenario to play out, Fox cashes out RF 38 and RF 44 for over $150 million a piece. Fox then approaches PMCM TV with an offer to buy RF 3 for $100 million ... Fox shall use virtual channels 5-1 and 9-1 on RF 3.
I don't think a Big Four network would even want RF3.
Besides, the spectrum auction might never take place. Congress has tried to paint it as a deficit reduction measure, but nobody believes that Congress cares about that.
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