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post #18331 of 18358 Old 12-10-2015, 08:26 AM
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Looks like it will be on WABC TV7. http://www.giants.com/broadcast-info.html
Thank you, some how my search for who would carry it missed what you found. ABC has nothing on this Monday that interest me so there will be no conflict if I decide to watch the game. Thanks again!

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i did some research on some antennas including the ones mentioned here. can someone please help me understand these details such as bandwidth, gain, front to back ratio, return loss etc... in the table below.

this is what i understood of gain and dB, the more gain means the more signal the antenna provides to the tv/catches more signal from air.
negative dB is bad, positive is good, the higher the numbers, the more signal the antenna will provide?


here is the table.
if you have any other antenna recommendations, please let me know. so far based on research, i think either a Clearstream C2v or a RCA 751R or Winegard 7694p are my choices.

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i did some research on some antennas including the ones mentioned here. can someone please help me understand these details such as bandwidth, gain, front to back ratio, return loss etc... in the table below.
Bandwidth corresponds to the frequencies the antenna is designed to receive. A 6 MHz block of spectrum corresponds to one TV "Channel".

VHF-Lo occupies 54 MHz to 88 MHz
VHF-Hi occupies 174 MHz to 216 MHz
UHF occupies frequencies above 460 MHz

In NYC, CBS, NBC, Fox, and WWOR broadcast in the UHF band, no matter how they brand themselves.
ABC, WPIX, and WNET are in the VHF-Hi band.
WJLP (MeTV) broadcasts in teh VHF-Lo band.

Front-to-Back Ratio - Don't worry about it. It really only comes into play when you need to reject interference from a broadcast antenna in the opposite direction.

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this is what i understood of gain and dB, the more gain means the more signal the antenna provides to the tv/catches more signal from air.
negative dB is bad, positive is good, the higher the numbers, the more signal the antenna will provide?
Yes. But a negative dB is not necesarily bad, depending on the strength of the broadcast signal at your location, and it's typically an number compared to a standard folded dipole.

the hdtvprimer web site has a lot of information and a detailed glossary.
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i did some research on some antennas including the ones mentioned here. can someone please help me understand these details such as bandwidth, gain, front to back ratio, return loss etc... in the table below.

this is what i understood of gain and dB, the more gain means the more signal the antenna provides to the tv/catches more signal from air.
negative dB is bad, positive is good, the higher the numbers, the more signal the antenna will provide?


here is the table.
if you have any other antenna recommendations, please let me know. so far based on research, i think either a Clearstream C2v or a RCA 751R or Winegard 7694p are my choices.

text table was all mixed up after posting, so i am posting pictures of it instead.
This first website will help with gain and dB's

http://www.hdtvprimer.com/antennas/basics.html

this one will help with front-to-back ratio

https://www.tselectronic.com/tech_no...tenna_spec.php

All TV antennas have the same bandwidth, do not worry about it.

How far from the ESB are you?

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This first website will help with gain and dB's

http://www.hdtvprimer.com/antennas/basics.html

this one will help with front-to-back ratio

https://www.tselectronic.com/tech_no...tenna_spec.php

All TV antennas have the same bandwidth, do not worry about it.

How far from the ESB are you?
i guess maybe 35-40 miles?

I am in plainview, long island, NY 11801
i have posted my tvfool some posts back. here is the link as well:
http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wr...b97da9846ada0f
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This first website will help with gain and dB's

http://www.hdtvprimer.com/antennas/basics.html

this one will help with front-to-back ratio

https://www.tselectronic.com/tech_no...tenna_spec.php

All TV antennas have the same bandwidth, do not worry about it.

How far from the ESB are you?
thanks for the links, learned quite a lot about the terminology.
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homedepot is selling a Winegard freevision antenna in store. i think i am going to pick one up and install it to see how it works out.

how do these three antennas compare? Freevision vs the RCA 751R vs Channel master Stealthtenna 50?



http://www.winegard.com/freevision

http://www.channelmaster.com/STEALTH.../cm-3010hd.htm

http://www.rcaantennas.net/outdoor/?sku=ANT751R
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Hi Dell, from your location I would run the Winegard HD7694P


But if you really wanna gild the lily, slap a rotor and a preamp under this sucker Winegard HD7084

I'm kinda old school when it comes with antennas and don't mind how they look up on my roof.

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homedepot is selling a Winegard freevision antenna in store. i think i am going to pick one up and install it to see how it works out.

how do these three antennas compare? Freevision vs the RCA 751R vs Channel master Stealthtenna 50?



http://www.winegard.com/freevision

http://www.channelmaster.com/STEALTH.../cm-3010hd.htm

http://www.rcaantennas.net/outdoor/?sku=ANT751R
Is probably what your real life experience is. Often opinions are helpful but actually installing it and seeing what the results are is more important. Make sure wherever you buy it that they have a return policy so that if you are not happy you can return it!

There are websites that review antennas and I am sure you went to the site that tells you what you need for your location! I would not put a rotor or preamp on it unless you really need it. Less is sometimes better than more when it comes to OTA reception.

Also if you are 35-40 miles out you might need bigger antennas than the ones you are looking at to get strong and quality reception.

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FYI, a local football team MUST always be shown on a broadcast network in their local market when its on a cable channel. I might be wrong in this, but i think the Jets have a deal with CBS and WPIX and the Giants have one with WWOR and WABC.
WWOR should have all the local simulcasted sports games as there is never anything worth watching on myNetwork TV (cop TV2 ION is cop tv1). Never should it be on a major network station.

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WWOR should have all the local simulcasted sports games as there is never anything worth watching on myNetwork TV (cop TV2 ION is cop tv1). Never should it be on a major network station.
As a frustrated Giants fan and seeing as I can pick up WWOR no mater which way my antenna is pointing... I agree with you 100%

That WABC 7 just doesn't make the trip up here in Wappingers to well
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OTA is running great here in Murray hill , getting everything and have not had any down time for a bit now.
doing a rescan now to see if anything has been added.

just finished scanning and picked up 2 more channels

RETRO TV : 32.5
WXNY-LD : 32.6 - : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WXNY-LD


- MY TV CHANNEL LIST AS OF NOV 30 2015 MURRAY HILL NY 10016 ENGLISH ONLY -
- ALSO I DO NOT ADD NON CHANNELS THAT HAVE NOTHING BUT COMMERCIALS -
2.1 / 2.2 / 4.1 / 4.2 / 5.1 / 5.2 / 7.1 / 7.2 / 7.3 / 9.1 / 9.3 / 11.1 / 11.2 / 11.3 / 13.1 / 13.2 / 21.1 / 21.2 / 21.3 / 31.1 / 31.2 / 32.5 / 33.1 / 33.2 / 33.3 / 41.3 / 41.4 / 58.1 / 68.3 / 68.4
You mean you are getting WLIW in Manhattan? I thought that was impossible (according to many in this forum). How do you do it? I wish I could could get WLIW and Channel 55.
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For what it's worth, I've just added the VHF Retrofit Kit, https://www.antennasdirect.com/store/VHF-Antenna-Kit.html
from Antennas Direct. I've connected it to a ClearStream Micron Indoor HDTV Antenna. The idea is that you connect your antenna cable from the TV to the VHF kit, and the cable to the UHF antenna on another connection. They provide an extra cable for this, but since the Micron had the cable attached I just used that one, which is working fine. It's only been one day, but after I situated the VHF kit in the right spot in the window with some plastic stick on hooks, I'm getting Me-TV in fine again. Anyway, just a suggestion, it's a cheap enough solution.
I'm also using a shorter antenna cable from the TV to the window, probably less interference this way.
I think that is useful for antennas that do not have VHF ability. I *think* my cheapo rabbit ears has both - it has a pair of rabbit ears as well as a circular antenna (I believe) to pick up both UHF and VHF. Correct me if I am wrong.
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I think that is useful for antennas that do not have VHF ability. I *think* my cheapo rabbit ears has both - it has a pair of rabbit ears as well as a circular antenna (I believe) to pick up both UHF and VHF. Correct me if I am wrong.
Yes, the rabbit ears do pick up both UHF and VHF, I had an RCA model that did both. However, now that I'm using the VHF attachment I mentioned above I'm getting many more channels consistently, at least most of the time. I can get MeTV over Channel 3/33-1, along with Channels 7-1, 11-1 (and Antenna TV on 11-2), 13-1, all VHF, (and as of today ION on 31-1 which was breaking up over the weekend, is fine as well). I also get the usual NYC UHF channels over the air, CBS, NBC etc. I think it was worth the small investment. Before I couldn't get all of these at the same time. I even get Retro on 42-7 though I don't know what's playing on it since my Tivo has no information.
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Does anyone here have any insight into why all of the major college football bowl games are being carried in ESPN instead of the national broadcast networks (ABC, CBS, NBC and Fox)? Did ESPN out bid the networks or what??

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Does anyone here have any insight into why all of the major college football bowl games are being carried in ESPN instead of the national broadcast networks (ABC, CBS, NBC and Fox)? Did ESPN out bid the networks or what??
3 years ago.

http://www.si.com/si-wire/2012/11/21...otball-playoff

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoot...tball-playoffs
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Thanks for the input, this really sucks for OTA viewers. I guess the major networks just weren't willing to pony up that kind of money.

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Out of curiosity how many 720p subchannels could you fit on one UHF channel?
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WCBS-TV Moving to 1 World Trade Center

Looks like WCBS-TV will be moving over to 1 World Trade Center.

Broadcasting 1702 feet above ground should really help improve reception, unless you're in Connecticut of course

http://fccinfo.com/CMDProEngine.php?...Number=1250423
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Looks like WCBS-TV will be moving over to 1 World Trade Center.

Broadcasting 1702 feet above ground should really help improve reception, unless you're in Connecticut of course

http://fccinfo.com/CMDProEngine.php?...Number=1250423
About time. It is a start. I really hope channel 31 and 41 move to 1WTC. Right now channel 31 on the ESB has a horrible signal. I can get LP stations stronger.

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I read the link, thanks but did it say anywhere when CBS would make the move? For some reason it occasionally starts to break up on me, which is strange, since it's a major network and I live in midtown Manhattan.
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Looks like WCBS-TV will be moving over to 1 World Trade Center.

Broadcasting 1702 feet above ground should really help improve reception, unless you're in Connecticut of course

http://fccinfo.com/CMDProEngine.php?...Number=1250423
I think you are way too optimistic and are reading much too much into this. Doing an internet search I could not find anything supporting any plans to broadcast from 1WTC anytime in the future by any TV Station.
Besides that there is no way of knowing if this would improve or impact your current TV viewing. It is naïve to assume the move would improve reception.
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I may have been the exception but I was amazed at how good reception was during the storm on Sat. No issues at all.
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I may have been the exception but I was amazed at how good reception was during the storm on Sat. No issues at all.
Same here -- no reception problems during the storm.
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I may have been the exception but I was amazed at how good reception was during the storm on Sat. No issues at all.
Same here -- no reception problems during the storm.
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I live out in Northern Westchester and am pulling in all the UHF channels with no problem (WCBS, WNBC, WNYW, WWOR). I tried various VHF antennas with no luck at all to get the other three big networks (WABC, WPIX and WNET).

Any idea if/when the VHF-Hi networks in NYC will move to UHF?
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Any idea if/when the VHF-Hi networks in NYC will move to UHF?
It's actually more likely that you will see UHF stations move to VHF after the spectrum auctions. The UHF frequencies are more valuable to the wireless companies.
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It's actually more likely that you will see UHF stations move to VHF after the spectrum auctions. The UHF frequencies are more valuable to the wireless companies.
most if not all vhf hi channel space is allready taken.
I dont see any uhf station auctioning off here in nyc.
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