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WPIX is my most watched OTA station and it's a lost cause. I am tired of a perfect picture then minutes later a pixelated box mess of nothing. I cancelled my Tivo because of it. Now that WPIX is staying on the ESB I just give up on OTA. I don't even have the roof antenna hooked up to the TV no more. My Dish Network feed is more reliable even in bad weather than WPIX OTA.

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Anyone have any new info on when these changes will be completed? Does it have to be by end of year? Or is that just an estimated time? Reason I ask, as I just cut the cord for good. 47 which is broadcasting from 1 wtc is my most reliable signal. Cbs is flaky. I actually get cbsld off the back of my antenna, but it has multipath issues.
I too am nervous about the move of all stations to WTC. Even though I can get 47 with no problems I also getting good reception of all the major broadcast signals (CBS, NBC, ABC, Fox, WPIX and Thirteen) except when rains really hard anywhere between my location and the ESB. I guess I am thinking its better to have the devil that you know rather than the devil that you don't know. I guess if I start losing channels I will know they have moved.

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I guess you missed the post by Latke #18683 from a few days back . Not all stations are moving to WTC: WPIX and WXTV are staying at the ESB!
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I too am nervous about the move of all stations to WTC. Even though I can get 47 with no problems I also getting good reception of all the major broadcast signals (CBS, NBC, ABC, Fox, WPIX and Thirteen) except when rains really hard anywhere between my location and the ESB. I guess I am thinking its better to have the devil that you know rather than the devil that you don't know. I guess if I start losing channels I will know they have moved.
Definitely true. Just because 47 comes in strong and doesn't mean the others will. UHF is a strange thing. I am assuming most will benefit, but I'm sure there will be some losers.

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I guess you missed the post by Latke #18683 from a few days back . Not all stations are moving to WTC: WPIX and WXTV are staying at the ESB!
Len, My bad, I forgot that WPIX is staying on the ESB. Since, I do not speak a word of Spanish I never watch WXTV.

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Len, My bad, I forgot that WPIX is staying on the ESB. Since, I do not speak a word of Spanish I never watch WXTV.
Actually 41.3 Bounce and 41.4 Grit are English language. So don't blow off WXTV so quickly.

I'm trying to learn Spanish as a second language which is good for my aging brain. So I do tune in to the Spanish stations once in awhile to try to learn some words with my trusty English-Spanish dictionary by my side.
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WNYW and WWOR also moving in 2018!

And more good news- Channels 5 and 9 will move to 1WTC next year. Still a new member here, so can't link properly yet...

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The remaining channel that we haven't heard from is WABC, a VHF channel, as all other local channels have committed in the short term to either 1WTC (WCBS, WNBC, WNYW, WWOR, WNET, WPXN, WNJU) or Empire State Building (boo) (WPIX, WXTV).
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Fox has announced that both WNYW and WWOR will move to 1WTC and begin transmissions early 2018.
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And more good news- Channels 5 and 9 will move to 1WTC next year. Still a new member here, so can't link properly yet...

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The remaining channel that we haven't heard from is WABC, a VHF channel, as all other local channels have committed in the short term to either 1WTC (WCBS, WNBC, WNYW, WWOR, WNET, WPXN, WNJU) or Empire State Building (boo) (WPIX, WXTV).
Why boo to the ESB? Some people may get better reception from the ESB than from 1WTC.

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No guarantees that 1WTC will broadcast and give better reception than the ESB. That is an unproven assumption. In addition when they go with ATSC 3.0 who knows how strong the ATSC 1.0 signal will be broadcast? Perhaps someone can tell us that the powers that be require the broadcasting in ATSC 1.0 has to be maintained at the same level it was before ATSC 3.0 is introduced?

There is a minefield of unknowns coming to our local broadcast reception!
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No guarantees that 1WTC will broadcast and give better reception than the ESB. That is an unproven assumption. In addition when they go with ATSC 3.0 who knows how strong the ATSC 1.0 signal will be broadcast? Perhaps someone can tell us that the powers that be require the broadcasting in ATSC 1.0 has to be maintained at the same level it was before ATSC 3.0 is introduced?

There is a minefield of unknowns coming to our local broadcast reception!
Len, I am getting old and my memory is not what it use to be, but I thought I read somewhere that there will converter boxes like when they did the analog switch off. If the broadcasters have to put ATSC 3.0 on their 0.1 subchannel and ATSC 1.0 on their 0.2 subchannel where are they going to find room for their "oldies" programming that they currently put on their 0.2 subchannel. It would be nice if someone who actually knew how the roll out of ATCS 3.0 was going to work could explain it to the public.

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ALP,

I share your concern. There is an ATSC 3.0 forum as part of AVSforum that you can easily find and it will answer your questions.

For now it appears that all of our local NY broadcasters will need to keep ATSC 1.0 programming broadcast when they start ATSC 3.0. So all of our current reception equipment should be fine for a number of years.
There may very well be some sort of converter box down the road but I don't think that box will be needed until ATSC 1.0 is shut down. That is not going to be something to worry about for a number of years. Possibly something poster Trip might be able to speculate on. My guess is 5 plus years from now.

They may make the programming so great with the ATSC 3.0 broadcasts that some folks might want a converter box sooner to see the programming. We shall see.
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ALP,

I share your concern. There is an ATSC 3.0 forum as part of AVSforum that you can easily find and it will answer your questions.

For now it appears that all of our local NY broadcasters will need to keep ATSC 1.0 programming broadcast when they start ATSC 3.0. So all of our current reception equipment should be fine for a number of years.
There may very well be some sort of converter box down the road but I don't think that box will be needed until ATSC 1.0 is shut down. That is not going to be something to worry about for a number of years. Possibly something poster Trip might be able to speculate on. My guess is 5 plus years from now.

They may make the programming so great with the ATSC 3.0 broadcasts that some folks might want a converter box sooner to see the programming. We shall see.
The programming will be a simulcast - the same stuff!

The bells and whistles will be technical - especially reception on mobile devices.

That's why stations are interested and are will to invest. They hope that ATSC 3.0
will be OTA's savior.

Also, remember that ATSC 3.0 is strictly voluntary on behalf of stations. But, if a
station elects to use this system it can't give up its ATSC 1.0 transmission.

As I understand things - technically, the two systems can't be transmitted together -
no sub-channel piggybacking possible.
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Why boo to the ESB? Some people may get better reception from the ESB than from 1WTC.
Boo because the transmitter power of WPIX on the ESB is horribly low. Couple that with it being on VHF and many can't get that channel. When WNET moves to WTC transmission we shall see if more are able to capture their signal.
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The programming will be a simulcast - the same stuff!

The bells and whistles will be technical - especially reception on mobile devices.

That's why stations are interested and are will to invest. They hope that ATSC 3.0
will be OTA's savior.

Also, remember that ATSC 3.0 is strictly voluntary on behalf of stations. But, if a
station elects to use this system it can't give up its ATSC 1.0 transmission.

As I understand things - technically, the two systems can't be transmitted together -
no sub-channel piggybacking possible.
Wow! Does this imply that if a broadcaster decides to do ATSC 3.0 they have to have an addition frequency allocation to transmit the 3.0 content? Where will all of these frequency allocation come from?

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If the broadcasters have to put ATSC 3.0 on their 0.1 subchannel and ATSC 1.0 on their 0.2 subchannel
That is impossible.

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Wow! Does this imply that if a broadcaster decides to do ATSC 3.0 they have to have an addition frequency allocation to transmit the 3.0 content? Where will all of these frequency allocation come from?
Suggest you actually go to the ATSC 3.0 thread and read the proposals proffered by the FCC.
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That is impossible.

Suggest you actually go to the ATSC 3.0 thread and read the proposals proffered by the FCC.
OK, So I did what you suggested and as you may have expected I now have more questions. As a retired physicist looking at the ATSC 3.0 proposal I can tell that a good amount of engineering work went into the proposal and that some of the elements are already in existence and some will have to be prototyped and developed. Then there is the whole simulcast proposal by the FCC for bundling several ATSC 1.0 broadcast on one broadcast frequency. What I need most right now is to understand how all the government and industry pieces fit together. It appears that the ATSC (I assume this is a government agency) is responsible for finding and finalizing a 3.0 broadcast system. Is the ATSC part of the FCC or what? Does the ATSC have in house labs where they can design, build prototypes and test or does it have to vendor all of that stuff out to industry? What resources does the FCC have for working out the simulcast questions? Where can I find an overview of how all of the pieces relate to one another and who does what? Good R&D takes time, money and talented people. Who supplies the funding, who supplies the talent and who decides the timetable?

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And more good news- Channels 5 and 9 will move to 1WTC next year. Still a new member here, so can't link properly yet...

ad week dot com/ tvspy/fox-stations-will-broadcast-from-one-world-trade/193434

The remaining channel that we haven't heard from is WABC, a VHF channel, as all other local channels have committed in the short term to either 1WTC (WCBS, WNBC, WNYW, WWOR, WNET, WPXN, WNJU) or Empire State Building (boo) (WPIX, WXTV).
There's also WJLP ( RF 3 ) transmitting from Midtown, I don't think they have mentioned moving ....
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OK, So I did what you suggested and as you may have expected I now have more questions. As a retired physicist looking at the ATSC 3.0 proposal I can tell that a good amount of engineering work went into the proposal and that some of the elements are already in existence and some will have to be prototyped and developed. Then there is the whole simulcast proposal by the FCC for bundling several ATSC 1.0 broadcast on one broadcast frequency. What I need most right now is to understand how all the government and industry pieces fit together. It appears that the ATSC (I assume this is a government agency) is responsible for finding and finalizing a 3.0 broadcast system. Is the ATSC part of the FCC or what? Does the ATSC have in house labs where they can design, build prototypes and test or does it have to vendor all of that stuff out to industry? What resources does the FCC have for working out the simulcast questions? Where can I find an overview of how all of the pieces relate to one another and who does what? Good R&D takes time, money and talented people. Who supplies the funding, who supplies the talent and who decides the timetable?
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Why boo to the ESB? Some people may get better reception from the ESB than from 1WTC.
This is true. But I think for most, it will be better from 1wtc. I am 60 miles out in Stony Brook long island, and my strongest station is now the only one broadcasting from 1 wtc. I have 85% strength and 28snr on my TiVo. That's MUCH better than anything coming from esb.

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This is true. But I think for most, it will be better from 1wtc. I am 60 miles out in Stony Brook long island, and my strongest station is now the only one broadcasting from 1 wtc. I have 85% strength and 28snr on my TiVo. That's MUCH better than anything coming from esb.
Transmissions from 1WTC will not necessarily be better for viewers than from ESB.

It depends upon where the viewer is located and the location of the station's antenna
on the 1WTC facility.

I live on the Upper East Side of Manhattan and my signal strength for WNJU actually
became lower when it moved to 1WTC.

I live too close to the station's antenna - those living in the suburbs will probably have
the exact opposite experience.

Location, location, location!!!!!!
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Transmissions from 1WTC will not necessarily be better for viewers than from ESB.

It depends upon where the viewer is located and the location of the station's antenna
on the 1WTC facility.

I live on the Upper East Side of Manhattan and my signal strength for WNJU actually
became lower when it moved to 1WTC.

I live too close to the station's antenna - those living in the suburbs will probably have
the exact opposite experience.

Location, location, location!!!!!!
I live a few blocks from ESB, and can pick up almost all stations with an indoor antenna. I
am expecting to lose all of them when they move to 1WTC. Ch47 has already disappeared for me.
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Any news on when nbc will officially move to wtc? Wondering what's taking so long. Their sister station has been there over a month now.

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