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post #10861 of 10887 Unread 12-24-2015, 01:51 PM
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I guess we will have to wait and see how things play out. NBC wants an owned and operated station in Boston. They said that. How you go from that desire to having no affiliate at all and declaring victory is hard for me to wrap my head around. I do not know what ratings and advertising revenues look like for WHDH, but NBC is not winning prime time. I would be pretty happy if WHDH filled 8-11 with syndicated programming. As it is, I am spending tuesday nights watching Drew Carey and Spin City (vs Hollywood Game Night, Chigago Med, and Chicago Fire on NBC).
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Does anyone else notice that WFXT's Dolby Digital audio is just dreadful sounding? It sounds like a bad MP3, and has for months. My emails have gone unanswered. I am watching through Directv. I don't have WFXT OTA but the Fox affiliate that I do get (WFFF) sounds completely normal. I can't be the only one who notices it...
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I haven't noticed any problems with it OTA.
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I haven't noticed any problems with it OTA.
Thanks for the reply. I notice it the most during football - the crowd noise sounds like digital autotuned robots.
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I'll check it out at my next NFL opportunity.
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The last time I watch an NFL game on any channel using 5.1 the sound stunk, so now a days I watch with just 2.0 sound...they can't seem to get crowd noise right at all.

If I remember I'll have to try again this weekend on Fox using 5.1 to see if it's particularly bad.
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A guide to the FCC spectrum auction

Interesting reading about the upcoming FCC spectrum auction

http://current.org/2015/12/a-guide-t...ctrum-auction/
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Gag. Every time I see something about tinkering with spectrum I wince, for fear they will screw something up for us OTA fans. FWIW, that pool has been growing around my town in Southern New Hampshire... More and more antennas are popping up.
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Premium Providers and their Congressional cronies are trying to stifle the growth of broadcast television.

I would love for stations to move back to VHF.
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Premium Providers and their Congressional cronies are trying to stifle the growth of broadcast television.

I would love for stations to move back to VHF.
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I would love to see a Premium Provider go OTA. Let's have HBO and Showtime on UHF!
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They have to be able to encrypt before they can do that. There's the money thing and the fact that the FCC gets excited when a bum or side boob hits the airwaves. When I was a kid there was a service which broadcast premium content for a monthly fee, so it's possible. It's just kind of expensive to manage and most OTA only types are not looking for a monthly HBO bill.
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I agree with Wiz. I recall a service like that in my youth... It is the wrong market. This made more sense before cable, satellite and Internet infrastructure was built and it still failed. I cannot imagine any premium content provider going OTA when multiple secure delivery networks already exist.
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Alas, I have to agree with you wizwor and vgrund - premium channels will not come to OTA, but not for the reasons you listed.

I think there is a bigger battle brewing between bandwidth burners like Netflix and HBONow and bandwidth highways like Comcast. OTA would allow a premium channel to bypass the coming bandwidth wars. Comcast already has bandwidth caps in some regions and is adding more this year. The existing "secure delivery networks" are going to be charging users and providers more every month for every gigabyte.

The only reason a premium channel won't come to OTA is because there are too few OTA users.

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The only reason a premium channel won't come to OTA is because there are too few OTA users.
A premium channel OTA would also require special hardware on the receiving side to handle authorization / decryption. I'm not aware of any existing hardware for this purpose, certainly nothing for HDTV OTA.
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The only reason a premium channel won't come to OTA is because there are too few OTA users.
I think there are more OTA users than Sling TV users. I just don't think there are a lot of OTA users who will pay $15/month for HBO -- or any other premium service.

I see a lot of antennas going up. I could be that these people tried OTA and went back to cable -- I'm not sure I would go on my roof to pull down an antenna I stopped using. Maybe these antennas are for 'emergency use'?

I talk a lot about cord cutting, so I get a lot of information from cord cutters who do not post to forums about cord cutting. These 'casual' cord cutters don't buy DVRs or streamers. They do not subscribe to Netflix. A lot do not even have high speed internet. They have an antenna and a television and get free tv. If you show them a TiVo or a Roku, they shrug their shoulders, "That's nice, but $300 is a lot of money." I don't see these people buying or leasing a decryptor for premium programming in numbers sufficient to engage the providers.

This will become more commonplace as people embrace smart phones as prices of hardware and bandwidth plummet due to commoditization (Cricket).
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I think there are more OTA users than Sling TV users. I just don't think there are a lot of OTA users who will pay $15/month for HBO -- or any other premium service. .
As of May 2015, 12.3 million homes were using over-the-air broadcasting for their live TV viewing, a net gain of 1 million over 2014. While that is not a ton of viewers, the fact it's gaining that many viewers in a year is impressive and has to have the cable/sat companies worried.

But OTA and traditional TV shows in general is mostly for older generations (yikes did I just say I'm old )...new generations are getting away from TV and instead are interested in on-demand streaming from the Internet.

Yesterday I was at a friends house with other friends with a gaggle of 10-15 year old kids and none of them were watching TV. One was watching a movie on Netflix using her smartphone, 2 others where looking for funny videos on Youtube, and I think the others were playing on the PS4.

Out of curiosity I asked them all when was the last time any of them actually watched a TV show when it aired...not one could remember watching any actual shows when it aired or even watching TV at all outside of streaming via a Roku or something similar!

Sports is probably the only thing a few of the boys came up with.

Even with signs that OTA is seeing a renaissance in growth, today's generation is an on-demand streaming generation and eventually traditional OTA, cable, and satellite will either need to adapt of fade away.

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Unfortunately VHF poses a lot of problems for the current DTV standard. The 8VSB modulation is prone to interference, multi-path and other issues. This is much worse on VHF, especially the low VHF band. Remember back in 2009 when WHDH tried to go digital on channel 7? Lasted 4 days!!

As far as premium channels go - they are out there now. There is a service called AirBox that operates in some markets (not Boston) that piggybacks premium channels on a commercial OTA signal (mostly ION stations, I believe) . You buy a special decoder box for $99.99 and then pay for channels like Showtime.

There is a new DTV standard in the works called ATSC 3.0, which will change everything. It will use ODFM modulation instead of 8VSB, which means new hardware and another "transition". Still quite a few years away, but the future looks good for OTA.
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I get Heroes and Icons very well. It is VHF 8, 67.6 miles from me, 1edge, through my house's peak, and waving red pines. I don't know what kind of problems VHF has, but I wish WBIN had some of that!

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NBC leaving Ch7

http://www.bostonglobe.com/business/...e1N/story.html

Looks like WNEU will be the new home.

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"NBC Boston" to launch on 1/1/2017, but where?

FTV Live on NBC launching a Boston O&O:
http://www.ftvlive.com/todays-news/2...s-to-dump-whdh

TV Spy story on the launch of NBC Boston:
http://www.adweek.com/tvspy/nbc-to-l...xt-year/161346

But Sunbeam's Ed Ansin says "Not so fast, my friend":
https://www.bostonglobe.com/business...e1N/story.html

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The last time I watch an NFL game on any channel using 5.1 the sound stunk, so now a days I watch with just 2.0 sound...they can't seem to get crowd noise right at all.

If I remember I'll have to try again this weekend on Fox using 5.1 to see if it's particularly bad.
The only thing I notice is if I have the surround up too high that it overwhelms the center channel sound. Try adjusting this.

I never manually change the feed off of the default.

Help continue the migration from cable to OTA as more and more digital stations go online
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But Sunbeam's Ed Ansin says "Not so fast, my friend":
https://www.bostonglobe.com/business...e1N/story.html
The day that the FCC allowed Scumcast to buy NBC petty much threw consumer interest out the window. Ansin can claim FCC violations all he wants, doubtful the FCC will listen!
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Talking When did PayTV become "Free TV"???

On Fox Joe Buck has been promoting a big UFC match on FS1 that he has been calling the 'Biggest Fight Ever on Free TV". Are we back in 1984 listening to Newspeak? Oh, maybe he means freedom TV as in freedom from thought.
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Hello. I live in the Franklin/Wrentham area with a WINEGARD HD7694P in the attic and a Tivo Romeo OTA. See my TV Fool report here: http://imgur.com/T73wcug.jpg

My issue is I'm getting strong 72ish on most of the top channels in the report, but FXT and GBH are giving me problems. I would like to mount on the roof, but fear punching holes in my brandy new roof. My question is this, short of moving antenna outside, what can I do to focus in on both of these channels?

Amplifier? Different antenna? I'm open to any/all advice!

Thank you.
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Hello. I live in the Franklin/Wrentham area with a WINEGARD HD7694P in the attic and a Tivo Romeo OTA. See my TV Fool report here: http://imgur.com/T73wcug.jpg

My issue is I'm getting strong 72ish on most of the top channels in the report, but FXT and GBH are giving me problems. I would like to mount on the roof, but fear punching holes in my brandy new roof. My question is this, short of moving antenna outside, what can I do to focus in on both of these channels?

Amplifier? Different antenna? I'm open to any/all advice!

Thank you.
Rabbit ears...that's a bit of a joke, but you're pretty close with LOS, no reason you should be having trouble with the 2 stations you mention. If anything with the antenna you're using there's a risk you're over-driving the signals to the TV's tuners.

I'm guessing this is an attic install in which case you're most likely dealing with multipath issues. A lot of times simply moving the antenna a few feet in either direction might help.

You're problem would most likely disappear if you went to the roof through. What about mounting a pole to the side of the house at a peak?
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