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post #11581 of 11598 Old 09-16-2017, 10:05 PM
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Actually it is WBIN-TV in 480i, 16x9 - officially channel sharing. They also have added Justice Network on 66-5 in 480i, 4x3.

Both are decoding fine on a Samsung and a Sony, with PSIP info OK also.

Checking further, another Samsung and a couple of off-brand LED sets also are fine - but a Zenith DTT-901 set-top is giving a blank screen on 50-1, though 66-5 is OK.
So, WBIN is broadcasting on real channel 27 from Hudson NH? Or will their signal be broadcast from Sudbury MA?
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So, WBIN is broadcasting on real channel 27 from Hudson NH? Or will their signal be broadcast from Sudbury MA?
WBIN is using the WUTF Sudbury signal. Ironically, they now have better OTA coverage than they did with the feeble NH signal.

The NH signal is probably off the air now. I could never receive that signal though. Comcast is showing this message on ch 811, 951 and 952 formerly WBIN HD, AntennaTV, and Grit - which means they either received WBIN off the air, or a direct connection feed has been reduced to the WBIN 50-1 only:

WBIN-TV is no longer broadcasting the programming previously seen on this channel. Please contact WBIN-TV should you have further questions.

WBIN in standard definition is still on Comcast ch 18.
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WBIN is using the WUTF Sudbury signal. Ironically, they now have better OTA coverage than they did with the feeble NH signal.

The NH signal is probably off the air now. I could never receive that signal though.
Same here. I can almost see the antenna from my house and could never pull it in plus it is in the wrong direction. I do, however, get WUTF and was wondering if WBIN would show up after a rescan. I looked for a new subchannel and checked to see if the channel would show up on virtual channel 50.

Just trying to get some Antenna TV if possible.
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Same here. I can almost see the antenna from my house and could never pull it in plus it is in the wrong direction. I do, however, get WUTF and was wondering if WBIN would show up after a rescan. I looked for a new subchannel and checked to see if the channel would show up on virtual channel 50.

Just trying to get some Antenna TV if possible.
AntennaTV is probably gone from the Boston market unless/until another station picks it up. Grit is already on WUTF 66-4.
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on FIOS we still get 6 and 506 (50.1)
Ch 466 (50.2) has "Your FIOS TV is working. The content provider is not currently sending programming for this channel."
We never got 50.3 but do get 66.4

AFter a QAM rescan the so called WBIN HD signal is really 480i

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Why is the WBZ picture quality not good right now. It seems pixelated and not full quality. I have noticed after they put their legal ID up. Sometimes they forget to go back to the regular CBS quality. A picture below demonstrates what I am seeing. Noticed how it is pixelated towards the bottom

https://imgur.com/npEz8vh
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on FIOS we still get 6 and 506 (50.1)
Ch 466 (50.2) has "Your FIOS TV is working. The content provider is not currently sending programming for this channel."
We never got 50.3 but do get 66.4

AFter a QAM rescan the so called WBIN HD signal is really 480i
The 480i signal is probably why Comcast pulled it from the HD signal channel group and left is only on basic 18. Picture quality of the infomercials OTA, and on Comcast, is absolutely awful - looks like it is running off an old VHS VCR at SLP. Resolution of Larry King selling phony drugs might be an improvement - none of his wrinkles show....
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WBIN is using the WUTF Sudbury signal. Ironically, they now have better OTA coverage than they did with the feeble NH signal.
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To make things even more confusing, WUTF's tower is actually located in Hudson, MA, not Sudbury.
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To make things even more confusing, WUTF's tower is actually located in Hudson, MA, not Sudbury.
So, the antenna location will move from Hudson, NH to Hudson, MA. The signal will be SD. Their news is gone. So, this WILL be a feed of Antenna TV, I guess.
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To make things even more confusing, WUTF's tower is actually located in Hudson, MA, not Sudbury.
It's hard to tell which town it's in from Google maps. FCC does list it as Hudson - with address "6 Km NE of Center of Marlborough"

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So, the antenna location will move from Hudson, NH to Hudson, MA. The signal will be SD. Their news is gone. So, this WILL be a feed of Antenna TV, I guess.
They could make it AntennaTV, but Univision probably would have to make their own deal with AntennaTV. And Comcast may leave it orphaned on Ch. 18, with the SD OTA signals, and not in the mid-900's where the diginets are.

Also Univision has to change the WBIN call letters - they didn't buy those from Binnie - from:
https://licensing.fcc.gov/cdbs/CDBS_Attachment/getattachment.jsp?appn=101763584&qnum=5040©num=1& exhcnum=2

"Section 5.7 Call Letters. Buyer agrees to file to change the call letters of the WBIN FCC license within ten (10) business days following the Closing Date."
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I just came across a Service Contour Map for WGBH for channel 5 on the FCC website. Despite the low power, they seem to think the new signal will cover more area than they do now! Also, according to the map they appear to be moving to the other side of 128 in Needham.

I superimposed the channel 19 contour on the map. and this is what I got. Channel 5 in blue, channel 19 in purple.
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If anyone is still having trouble with WBIN on RF27 (WUTF) there is indeed a problem with their PSIP. The TVCT has incorrect PIDs listed in the Service Location descriptor for WBIN (0131 and 0134). The correct PIDs are listed in the PMT 0080 (0081 and 0084). They should match, but don't!
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I just came across a Service Contour Map for WGBH for channel 5 on the FCC website. Despite the low power, they seem to think the new signal will cover more area than they do now! Also, according to the map they appear to be moving to the other side of 128 in Needham.

I superimposed the channel 19 contour on the map. and this is what I got. Channel 5 in blue, channel 19 in purple.
Low VHF digital signals are badly plagued by interference, which the coverage map doesn't account for.

The WGBH new location will be the "candelabra tower", now home to WFXT, and WLVI.

If you look through the other FCC forms, especially the 399's - there is a grand plan worked out, which appears to be:

WFXT will move to a temporary side mount antenna and new transmitter at the "CBS tower". WLVI will shut down and begin channel sharing with WHDH on the WHDH antenna. That will clear the top of the candelabra antenna to be rebuilt with the new WGBH antenna and a new multichannel UHF antenna.

WFXT will move back to the candelabra permanently on their new UHF channel. WGBH will move there permanently on their new channel.

WGBX, WBZ, WCVB, and WSBK will move temporarily from the CBS tower to the candelabra tower on their new RF channels.

The shared antenna on the top of the CBS tower, transmission line, and combiners will be replaced at the CBS tower.

WGBX, WBZ, WCVB, and WSBK will move back to the CBS tower, remaining on their new channels.
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If anyone is still having trouble with WBIN on RF27 (WUTF) there is indeed a problem with their PSIP. The TVCT has incorrect PIDs listed in the Service Location descriptor for WBIN (0131 and 0134). The correct PIDs are listed in the PMT 0080 (0081 and 0084). They should match, but don't!
Apparently some tuners handle that well, and work OK, some are erratic, and some don't work at all. The older Zenith set-top I have cannot decode it, my TV's work fine, but a Sony has an occasional moment of "indecision" on which subchannel to display when first selecting 66-1. Something like this is what Trip (above) was probably expecting when he asked for a TSreader export.
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Forgive my ignorance, as I live in central Connecticut: I though WBIN-TV was off the air? Aren't they the old channel 50 from Derry, NH?
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Forgive my ignorance, as I live in central Connecticut: I though WBIN-TV was off the air? Aren't they the old channel 50 from Derry, NH?
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WBIN in Derry, NH was bought by WUFT in Marlboro, MA, and on September 15th they became a subchannel of WUFT, using their RF 27 but mapping to 50-1 and transmitting from WUFT's tower in Hudson, MA. This allowed the station's signal to cover a much larger area, especially south of Worcester, MA and into Rhode Island. But it seems like quite a few TV's and set top boxes are having trouble decoding the audio and video from the station's signal on 50-1, but pick up 66-1 through 66-5 well. I'm not sure how the station can correct this situation.
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Hello:

WBIN in Derry, NH was bought by WUFT in Marlboro, MA, and on September 15th they became a subchannel of WUFT, using their RF 27 but mapping to 50-1 and transmitting from WUFT's tower in Hudson, MA. This allowed the station's signal to cover a much larger area, especially south of Worcester, MA and into Rhode Island. But it seems like quite a few TV's and set top boxes are having trouble decoding the audio and video from the station's signal on 50-1, but pick up 66-1 through 66-5 well. I'm not sure how the station can correct this situation.
WUTF*

And to add on, the "new" WBIN that some people can see on 50-1 will get new call letters soon, as posted above. I don't get anything mentioned with these stations OTA in VT, but have them all on Directv, and we still have ch 50 WBIN HD and SD but the HD is very obviously not.

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Despite the lack of TSReader data, I happened to hear from my friend at Univision corporate about a different subject and passed it along to him while I was replying. He says he's forwarded it to WUTF. So hopefully the issue will be looked at.

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