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I noticed the Xfinity on demand app show up on my TiVo yesterday. I'm able to click into it and view all of the on demand options. However, I'm not yet able to actually watch anything. When I try to start a program, the TiVo jumps over to the CableCard diagnostics page. I never actually get an error message. Hoping it's just part of the initial rollout. I fear having to call Comcast for support on this.
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I noticed the Xfinity on demand app show up on my TiVo yesterday. I'm able to click into it and view all of the on demand options. However, I'm not yet able to actually watch anything. When I try to start a program, the TiVo jumps over to the CableCard diagnostics page. I never actually get an error message. Hoping it's just part of the initial rollout. I fear having to call Comcast for support on this.

Let us know how it goes. I'm tempted to upgrade from my HD tivo that doesn't support this to a Roamio.

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Let us know how it goes. I'm tempted to upgrade from my HD tivo that doesn't support this to a Roamio.

I would upgrade to the Roamio whether it works or not. I chose the four tuner basic Roamio and dropped a $100 3TB drive in it, and it works like a charm. Roamios actually require zero prep to upgrade now - you just take any drive, throw it in, turn it on, and it formats it and throws you right into Guided Setup (after an hour or so.) It's faster, and you always have the option to kick Comcast to the curb with it.
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I would upgrade to the Roamio whether it works or not. I chose the four tuner basic Roamio and dropped a $100 3TB drive in it, and it works like a charm. Roamios actually require zero prep to upgrade now - you just take any drive, throw it in, turn it on, and it formats it and throws you right into Guided Setup (after an hour or so.) It's faster, and you always have the option to kick Comcast to the curb with it.

My HD Tivos (2 of them) have lifetime subscriptions so in order for me to consider getting a new box is it'd HAVE to access the on-demand Xfinity stuff. Otherwise I'll stick with my HD Tivo. Between the two HD Tivos and the one Comcast DVR we've always been able to record what we want. It's a @$700 investment when you include the 3TB drive, box and lifetime.

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I would upgrade to the Roamio whether it works or not. I chose the four tuner basic Roamio and dropped a $100 3TB drive in it, and it works like a charm. Roamios actually require zero prep to upgrade now - you just take any drive, throw it in, turn it on, and it formats it and throws you right into Guided Setup (after an hour or so.) It's faster, and you always have the option to kick Comcast to the curb with it.


Redbeard have you tried the OTA capability of your basic Roamio? I am wondering how the tuner sensitivities may differ from what is used in HDhomerun units, etc.


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I noticed the Xfinity on demand app show up on my TiVo yesterday. I'm able to click into it and view all of the on demand options. However, I'm not yet able to actually watch anything. When I try to start a program, the TiVo jumps over to the CableCard diagnostics page. I never actually get an error message. Hoping it's just part of the initial rollout. I fear having to call Comcast for support on this.

When we try to view on our Premiere, the shows play for about 3 seconds and then freezes. I'm hoping Comcast will work out whatever bug is in the system and I'll give them a few days as I don't want to call the hell that is Comcast support.
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My HD Tivos (2 of them) have lifetime subscriptions so in order for me to consider getting a new box is it'd HAVE to access the on-demand Xfinity stuff. Otherwise I'll stick with my HD Tivo. Between the two HD Tivos and the one Comcast DVR we've always been able to record what we want. It's a @$700 investment when you include the 3TB drive, box and lifetime.

Sounds like my house - one original HD TiVo with drive upgrade, one Elite (XL4), and one Comcast DVR I would love to replace the Comcast DVR, but I was told that if I drop it for another cable card I would start being charged the $10 HD access fee. Supposedly having their HD DVR includes the fee. So it would cost me new TiVo + lifetime + $10 + $1.50? cable card rental - HD DVR rental.

I will check the Elite and mini tonight and see if on demand is on them. I assume this one more thing my lifetime HD TiVo can't do :-(
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Sounds like my house - one original HD TiVo with drive upgrade, one Elite (XL4), and one Comcast DVR I would love to replace the Comcast DVR, but I was told that if I drop it for another cable card I would start being charged the $10 HD access fee. Supposedly having their HD DVR includes the fee. So it would cost me new TiVo + lifetime + $10 + $1.50? cable card rental - HD DVR rental.

I will check the Elite and mini tonight and see if on demand is on them. I assume this one more thing my lifetime HD TiVo can't do :-(

Yup. We have a guest house that currently has the small black box to get the channels (non-HD). So IF I was to get the Roamio I can possibly see one HD Tivo going into there BUT we rent it out so I'd have to be sure the box is unpaired w/Amazon to download any 'pay' stuff....I'd have to look into it more to ensure that no one (we rent it out from time to time) can do something that would cost us money.

We have the triple-play and, like you, includes a DVR so on my calendar in the next few weeks is to swap out the crappy old box for the new X1 box so I suggest you keep the box since you're already paying for it to avoid more $.


PS - I upgraded both our HD Tivos w/1TB drives inside along w/the 500GB WD external drives purchased prior to my upgrading.

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No new feedback w/Xfinity and tivo folks?

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No new feedback w/Xfinity and tivo folks?

I only had time to try the mini - last night it would stream 3-4 seconds of video then freeze on screen, I could back out and resume and get 3-4 more seconds, Live TV and TiVo shows worked fine, just on demand would not stream, I tried it again briefly this morning and it worked (for the minute or so I watched)..
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Our Premiere is still freezing after about 3 seconds.
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No new feedback w/Xfinity and tivo folks?

I still am getting the CableCARD diagnostic screen after pushing play. If I still am having problems this weekend, I'll brace for a Comcast call.
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I still am getting the CableCARD diagnostic screen after pushing play. If I still am having problems this weekend, I'll brace for a Comcast call.

Rats - I decided to pull the trigger and my Roamio arrives tomorrow. Purchasing the 3TB drive today to upgrade it. They better have this fixed by tomorrow or I'll be swinging the phone w/their tech support and SOMETHING I learned today:


IF you have an MCard (which most of us will have) you can NOT get the X1 box! That's what they told me today when I wanted to get one. Anyone else heard of this limitation? You must have X1 boxes or the SD adapters!?!

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Boy it's quiet. NO one called Xfinity!?? I DID. I got my Roamio - made FOUR f*)*^%ng trips to my Comcast office since they screwed up (it turns out) each time w/the MCard set up. I called over EIGHTEEN times to get it paired with no luck. None of the pay stations would work BUT my first MCard DID have on-demand work. But after giving up on Comcast I did some searching and decided to call Tivo - BEST MOVE EVER.

They connected me on a conference call with a Tier 2 tech person they had the number for and after 30 minutes I had my pay stations. BUT on-demand I get the same issue as previously posted - 2 seconds it plays and it freezes. The bar at the bottom continues to count up like the movie is playing. If i quite and go back to play it it plays the 2 seconds of where i stopped it and freezes the picture.

The tech called me back at 9pm to see if it had changed but no luck. He's going to investigate it - I have a ticket number, his name, number and extension so I hope to get it working soon. BTW I did get one error message ONE time and when I looked it up it was a message others had received (WAY back when it first rolled out in SF) so I'm hoping it's a 'quick' fix.

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\BUT on-demand I get the same issue as previously posted - 2 seconds it plays and it freezes. The bar at the bottom continues to count up like the movie is playing. If i quite and go back to play it it plays the 2 seconds of where i stopped it and freezes the picture.

The tech called me back at 9pm to see if it had changed but no luck. He's going to investigate it - I have a ticket number, his name, number and extension so I hope to get it working soon. BTW I did get one error message ONE time and when I looked it up it was a message others had received (WAY back when it first rolled out in SF) so I'm hoping it's a 'quick' fix.

Thanks and please keep us posted as to the result. My gut feeling is Comcast doesn't have on demand running here yet but it'll be good to get an official word.
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Thanks and please keep us posted as to the result. My gut feeling is Comcast doesn't have on demand running here yet but it'll be good to get an official word.

I know it works since it worked on the first Mcard I used. I've done research and I think I've found the solution. The Card has to be coded on your account as a TIVO AO billing code and that took care of the same exact issue others were having. I left a vmail for my tech to see what he has to say about it. I'm at work so I can't call to have it activated (I'll wait until I'm in front of it tonight).

I think they coded the first one correct when i called to activate it since i watched the first several minutes of a FOX show. As usual, - it all depends on WHO you get to determine WHAT level of service/techie you get.

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UPDATE: It's now working! The tech escalated it to the head-end folks and it appears they 'did' something. I called my tech back and told him it was working but at that time he hadn't received an email/notice from the head -end that they did anything. I confirmed the tech had already put that 'flag' on my account that's required for a tivo w/on-demand. He mentioned I might need a firmware update that the head-end would send and my 'guess' is that's what happened. Sweet sweet on-demand goodness. SO nice!

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UPDATE: It's now working! The tech escalated it to the head-end folks and it appears they 'did' something. I called my tech back and told him it was working but at that time he hadn't received an email/notice from the head -end that they did anything. I confirmed the tech had already put that 'flag' on my account that's required for a tivo w/on-demand. He mentioned I might need a firmware update that the head-end would send and my 'guess' is that's what happened. Sweet sweet on-demand goodness. SO nice!


Snap! I just don't know if I want on-demand bad enough to go through Comcast tech support hell.

Right now, everything else is working fine. Don't know that I want to risk it.
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Snap! I just don't know if I want on-demand bad enough to go through Comcast tech support hell.

Right now, everything else is working fine. Don't know that I want to risk it.

That's exactly how I feel.
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It's worth it. I suggest you DONT call Comcast but call TiVo instead. TiVo will call the Tier 2 Tech place in CO (I have the phone number but I'm at work and it's at home) and they will make sure to get it working. I jumped around on-demand last night and really love it. ADHD is in full effect w/the 4 tuners, on-demand, and the 477+hours of HD I can record thanks to my swapping out the 500gb drive for a 3TB one!!
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Redbeard have you tried the OTA capability of your basic Roamio? I am wondering how the tuner sensitivities may differ from what is used in HDhomerun units, etc.

Sorry for the big delay in responding.

I have not tried the OTA on my Roamio yet. Being in Nashville, you do wonder with all the hills... but ultimately, I think the signal strength is primarily a factor of the antenna.

Xfinity On Demand. It was activated on our Tivo when my friend got the email, and I never had any synchronization/cable card problems. Many times, when this is an issue, it's a signal strength problem on top of Comcast being out of sync at the headend. They finally rolled a truck for us, and ended up reburying the cable from the box to our house because it wasn't done right a decade ago.

Here are my top ten comments:
  1. I'm glad we got it finally.
  2. I'm glad it honors Tivo parental controls, and that you can disable Adult movies altogether (although it still displays the titles.)
  3. It's obvious it's calling the same menu API as the Xfinity boxes do, and that not everything is supported. Click "Search" and laugh.
  4. It is nice to have the featured things up at the top of the list. I hadn't even heard of the "Fargo" series, and now I'm sorta hooked.
  5. It is also obvious the pointlessness of how things expire on the list. Gee, look, I can watch the last five episodes of a series.
  6. I would love to be able to tell that whatever I'm drilling down to is included in my subscription before I get to the final final final link, but I guess that's marketing. (Maybe if they get all the way down to the title, they'll pony up the $1.99)
  7. The quality is VERY good. There's no "Netflix anxiety" about the stream.
  8. Disabling fast forward and reverse is moronic.
  9. Now that I can see the list of things that are included, I will never subscribe to Disney Family Movies.
  10. Unless you know exactly what you're looking for, it's pretty hopeless as far as interfaces go.
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Sorry for the big delay in responding.

I have not tried the OTA on my Roamio yet. Being in Nashville, you do wonder with all the hills... but ultimately, I think the signal strength is primarily a factor of the antenna.

Xfinity On Demand. It was activated on our Tivo when my friend got the email, and I never had any synchronization/cable card problems. Many times, when this is an issue, it's a signal strength problem on top of Comcast being out of sync at the headend. They finally rolled a truck for us, and ended up reburying the cable from the box to our house because it wasn't done right a decade ago.

Here are my top ten comments:
  1. I'm glad we got it finally.
  2. I'm glad it honors Tivo parental controls, and that you can disable Adult movies altogether (although it still displays the titles.)
  3. It's obvious it's calling the same menu API as the Xfinity boxes do, and that not everything is supported. Click "Search" and laugh.
  4. It is nice to have the featured things up at the top of the list. I hadn't even heard of the "Fargo" series, and now I'm sorta hooked.
  5. It is also obvious the pointlessness of how things expire on the list. Gee, look, I can watch the last five episodes of a series.
  6. I would love to be able to tell that whatever I'm drilling down to is included in my subscription before I get to the final final final link, but I guess that's marketing. (Maybe if they get all the way down to the title, they'll pony up the $1.99)
  7. The quality is VERY good. There's no "Netflix anxiety" about the stream.
  8. Disabling fast forward and reverse is moronic.
  9. Now that I can see the list of things that are included, I will never subscribe to Disney Family Movies.
  10. Unless you know exactly what you're looking for, it's pretty hopeless as far as interfaces go.

Number 8 only occurs on TV shows. Movies can be ffwd and rewound with ease.

I find the new interface MUCH MUCH better than my HD TIvo. I LOVE the fact that when you select an episode and click to view upcoming episodes it ONLY shows THAT episode to make it easy to reschedule it you want versus seeing EVERY episode for that show.

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So I did not know anything about Tivos last year and I wanted to ditch all of our cable boxes as well. I went with a Silicondust HD homerun prime 3-tuner box and coupled it with a computer at each of our tvs. 2 of the 3 computers are a 2012 mac mini running windows 7 and a 2013 Intel Nuc, both are the about the size of the Tivo and Tivo mini, respectively and cost about ~$700 each (one is laptop we no longer use that was sitting around which was repurposed to use as a set top box). I saw a few videos of the tivo interface and the Windows Media Center guide seems to do just about everything the tivo guide does. the only differences are that I dont get Ondemand integration, while Tivo users dont get the ability to access locally stored media. Given that the prices for each setup are fairly hefty but about the same per tv, what made you choose Tivo? Do you have any regrets?
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the only differences are that I dont get Ondemand integration
Not sure if you have an extra Xbox 360 or two around but if you do you can use the XFINITY TV app to get most (but not the full amount set tops provide) of the On Demand content. http://www.xbox.com/en-US/live/partners/xfinity & http://xbox.comcast.net/

I'm pretty sure now that the Gold yearly subscription has been lifted as a requirement for the entertainment apps.

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Yeah I have one and I set it up with my comcast credentials one afternoon to go study. When I returned later at night to watch something on it, I turned on the 360 and got the dreaded RROD (its a first gen elite 360). I know that is always an option, but I really like that Tivo has that xfinity tv go app built right in (I assume they are streaming it off your internet connection since i was led to believe that M cablecards were a 1 way device and would never work with ondemand). Having a 360 on another input is actually a good idea but its just too darn slow. Compared to my other 3 computers which all run i5s/i7s and SSDs, it takes forever for the 360 to boot up, so between netflix, dvr, and live tv, I'm now just sort of lazy and happy with it. I wish there was a be-all-end-all type device but no content provider is willing to let that happen. For me, I had to have the ability to watch my own collection of movies and tv shows I have on my NAS along with live tv, so Tivo realistically was never an option for me.

Another question(s), on my ipad, when i go into the xfinity tv go app, I get ads before and during whatever ondemand show. On your tivo boxes, do you also get ads during ondemand streaming? Since it is streaming, have you ever gone over your 300gb download cap/month limit? I noticed a sizable uptick in my downloads when I was streaming netflix over the apple tv app (which allows for Netflix SuperHD).
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Yeah I have one and I set it up with my comcast credentials one afternoon to go study. When I returned later at night to watch something on it, I turned on the 360 and got the dreaded RROD (its a first gen elite 360). I know that is always an option, but I really like that Tivo has that xfinity tv go app built right in (I assume they are streaming it off your internet connection since i was led to believe that M cablecards were a 1 way device and would never work with ondemand). Having a 360 on another input is actually a good idea but its just too darn slow. Compared to my other 3 computers which all run i5s/i7s and SSDs, it takes forever for the 360 to boot up, so between netflix, dvr, and live tv, I'm now just sort of lazy and happy with it. I wish there was a be-all-end-all type device but no content provider is willing to let that happen. For me, I had to have the ability to watch my own collection of movies and tv shows I have on my NAS along with live tv, so Tivo realistically was never an option for me.

Another question(s), on my ipad, when i go into the xfinity tv go app, I get ads before and during whatever ondemand show. On your tivo boxes, do you also get ads during ondemand streaming? Since it is streaming, have you ever gone over your 300gb download cap/month limit? I noticed a sizable uptick in my downloads when I was streaming netflix over the apple tv app (which allows for Netflix SuperHD).
Unlike the iPad/iPhone/Android apps (as well as watching via http://xfinitytv.comcast.net/), using On Demand on the TiVo DVRs and Xbox 360 app does not count against the 300GB usage cap.

The Xbox 360 app is using IP for getting the content to you from Comcast, where as the VOD on TiVO is not IPTV based. Xfinity VOD on the TiVo works the same way it does on Comcast's own boxes. The only difference is that TiVo boxes use the Internet for a return channel where as cable boxes use a DOCSIS modem QAM return channel. (this is because CableCard is one way as you indicated above) The TiVo requests a program via an Internet gateway. The server assigns a QAM channel for the stream and tells the TiVo what channel to tune to. At that point all video/audio goes through the QAM channel, while control and feedback is done via the Internet (TCP/IP). One tuner is also being used from the TiVo while you are utilizing VOD.

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Unlike the iPad/iPhone/Android apps (as well as watching via http://xfinitytv.comcast.net/), using On Demand on the TiVo DVRs and Xbox 360 app does not count against the 300GB usage cap.

The Xbox 360 app is using IP for getting the content to you from Comcast, where as the VOD on TiVO is not IPTV based. Xfinity VOD on the TiVo works the same way it does on Comcast's own boxes. The only difference is that TiVo boxes use the Internet for a return channel where as cable boxes use a DOCSIS modem QAM return channel. (this is because CableCard is one way as you indicated above) The TiVo requests a program via an Internet gateway. The server assigns a QAM channel for the stream and tells the TiVo what channel to tune to. At that point all video/audio goes through the QAM channel, while control and feedback is done via the Internet (TCP/IP). One tuner is also being used from the TiVo while you are utilizing VOD.

So if i go through my web browser, would that also be iptv and not count against my cap? Amd why does hbo go count against the cap? Isnt that also iptv on the 360?
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So if i go through my web browser, would that also be iptv and not count against my cap? Amd why does hbo go count against the cap? Isnt that also iptv on the 360?
No, using the web browser (on Comcast's own site xfinitytv.net) counts against your cap, Comcast claims it's because that traffic goes over the "public" internet where as the Xbox 360 Xfinity TV app and TiVo VOD traffic is going over there "private" IP network at the head end/hub...
Same with HBOGO it's traffic is routed over the "public" internet and in this case not even Comcast's servers, I think HBO uses Level3 and maybe Cogent for CDN peering. So therefore it counts against the 300GB usage cap.

The only exceptions are Xfinity TV app on Xbox 360, TiVo Xfinity VOD or using the Comcast provided set top

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So I got a 360 to use as an MCE extender and had my mom return the HD cable box to the brentwood office. She told me that they said they'd take the the 10 dollar HD technology fee off our account since we dont have anymore cable boxes, but I just checked this month's statement and its still there.

My friend, for whom I set up the exact same hd homerun set up that we use, has no HD technology fee on his account. So is this just some 'fight with comcast till they take it off your account' type nonsense or is there a policy now for it?

We're also on a promotion for free hbo/starz for 3 months, which i think comes with those extended digital channels like NatGEO and foxbusiness (none of which we watch), maybe is that why they're still charging us this fee? are any of you on the XF triple play paying the HD fee without any cable boxes?
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Up-to-date Channel Lineup (Nashville Comcast)?

A couple of years ago, Comcast mailed me a two-sided card with a Channel Lineup (a compact listing of station IDs with channel number for each station). That reference card is out of date. I thought that an up-to-date reference card might be available on the Xfinity site for printing, but have been unable to find such. If anyone knows of such a channel lineup listing, I would appreciate a link.
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