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post #181 of 4131 Old 08-05-2005, 06:07 AM
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I don't know whatb the hell that guy is talking about. WNNE hasn't broadcast one single thing in HD.

You got that right

I got a similar response from Joe Krone and he tried to tell me WNNE has been doing HD for a week. My guess is he didn't realize I knew as much as I did about the problem or maybe he didn't understand it at all. Anyway, I replied and explained that WNNE was ready but it couldn't pass on any of NBCs HD programming until Plattsburg "flipped" the switch".

I've had a great relationship with the engineer at the WNNE end for almost a year now and he's kept me informed along the way. Although he DID NOT say this, my guess from reading between the lines is that Plattsburg is dragging it's feet on replacing / upgrading their switcher equipment.

I'm further speculating that because there's no chance for WPTZ to be doing digital for at least another year anyway, they're in no hurry to spend more money on something that's just going to benefit WNNE. It's been obvious for years that WPTZ doesn't view WNNE as a very high priority.

I think it's going to take a little pressure from viewers before any more gets done.

I'm surprised Casey Thompson hasn't jumped in this thread. I think he's right in WNNE's back yard.

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perhaps Joe thinks the "stretched screen" will fool everybody....
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I expect they're all pretty new to this stuff and had no idea how much some of us out here know. I still have not heard back from Joe regarding my reply to his response. I'm really hoping he will be straight with me this time.

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Received this update today. Hope Joe doesn't mind if I post it here.

Marc


WPTZ-DT (Ch 14) on Mt Mansfield is still under construction (are are
ALL of
the Burlington stations as we will all be located on Mt Mansfield). The
current plan is for them to go on the air late next summer or early
next
fall. At this time they are running ahead of the construction schedule
but
bad weather or more holdups by the State Of Vt could delay the entire
time
line.

In any case, it shouldnt be too much longer!

Thanks for writing.


Joe Krone

Operations Manager
WPTZ TV (Ch 05) Burlington VT - Plattsburgh NY
WPTZ DT (Ch 14) Burlington VT - Plattsburgh NY
WNNE TV (Ch 31) Hartford VT - Hanover NH
WNNE DT (Ch 25) Hartford VT - Hanover NH

Ahead of schedule!!!

Wouldn't be great if El Nino comes back, and there's no snow until December. I'm hoping they would be smart enough to start putting the towers up right away...
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You got that right

I'm surprised Casey Thompson hasn't jumped in this thread. I think he's right in WNNE's back yard.

I'm still lurking out here. Unfortunately, I've had some major life changes which has moved me into an apartment across the river into Lebanon.

In the process, I have had to move to Adelphia. While I think that they are horribly over-priced, I was able to get an HD DVR from them and am happily enjoying all the networks in HD. It's not a TiVo, but it suits my immediate needs.

So, WNNE has fallen off my radar. It sickens me that this is going on. This is just typical beuracratic BS if you ask me.

Either way, I'll still check back in here as it's still my hobby
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I'm still lurking out here. Unfortunately, I've had some major life changes which has moved me into an apartment across the river into Lebanon.

In the process, I have had to move to Adelphia. While I think that they are horribly over-priced, I was able to get an HD DVR from them and am happily enjoying all the networks in HD. It's not a TiVo, but it suits my immediate needs.

So, WNNE has fallen off my radar. It sickens me that this is going on. This is just typical beuracratic BS if you ask me.

Either way, I'll still check back in here as it's still my hobby

Casey,

I'm sorry to hear about your "changes" and hope things work out for you. Don't hesitate to PM me if you feel like chatting.

I lived in West Lebanon a few years back and Hartford / Wilder, Vt before that. Had TCI cable (even when it was still Twin State Cable) for years. I had never experienced satellite at that point, so didn't know what I was missing.

Anyway, good luck to you and stay in touch.

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Any chance I would pick up any over-the-air DTV in downtown Montpelier, with an indoor antenna? I'm thinking of WNNE for NBC stuff, and PBS.

Thanks!

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Any chance I would pick up any over-the-air DTV in downtown Montpelier, with an indoor antenna? I'm thinking of WNNE for NBC stuff, and PBS.

Thanks!

Marc

I really doubt it but you never know. As I remember, downtown is right on the river and a lot of hills around it. How high above street level will the antenna be?

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I really doubt it but you never know. As I remember, downtown is right on the river and a lot of hills around it. How high above street level will the antenna be?

Not much above street level. I have an amplified indoor VHF/UHF antenna that I use for FM. I might as well give it a try.

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If I understand the DTV technology correctly, the digital broadcasts use the same spectrum as the existing analog broadcasts, yes? If so, what would happen if I tuned an NTSC TV to a station broadcasting a DTV signal? Obviously, I wouldn't get a picture, but would I see (or hear) something other than white noise that would indicate the presence of a digital signal?

If so, I was thinking I could monitor the handful of stations known to be allocated to Burlington DTV broadcasts using my existing NTSC kit, and once I start seeing a "signature" that indicates the precense of a DTV signal, know that it's time to buy an ATO DTV receiver.
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Taken from the VPT Web Site today :

Major activities include:
Summer 2005:
Site preparation and excavations for WCAX building expansion; installation of tower foundations at the WCAX and VPT sites. Building expansion at the WCAX site; new pads for generators and oil containment facilities at the WCAX site.

Winter 2005-2006:
Completion of interior construction of the WCAX building expansion. VPT work to prepare for the installation of its new transmitter.

Summer 2006:
Installation of three new monopole towers, transmission lines, oil containment facilities. New transmitters and antennas installed for all broadcasters.

Summer 2009:
Assuming January 1, 2009 as the date U.S. broadcasting is digital only, five old towers removed and dismantled, leaving three monopole towers on Mt. Mansfield.

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I'm still trying to get a straight answer from WPTZ regarding when they will be passing on NBC's HD programming to the new WNNE-DT transmitter on Mt Ascutney. Since my last email to them has apparently been ignored, I've decided to post copies of the previous dialogs I've had with the operations manager of WPTZ / WNNE below:

It starts with their first response to questions I emailed through their website contact link on Aug 3rd:

[i]Hello Walt

WNNE-DT is on the air now (Ch-25). It's been on about a week and there are
still a few technical issues being worked out.

However....many NBC programs ARE being broadcast in the HDTV format
already. ALL of the latenight schedule is in HD and, after the summer
"Filler" programs run out, just about all of the NBC Prime time programs
will be in HD this fall.

Unfortunately none of the syndicated programs we air are produced in HD. We
are in the process of installing a TON or new video and audio equipment
here in our studios to allow us to do local programming in HD (Like the
newscasts), the Burlington Jazz Festival and other local specials.

WPTZ-DT (and all of the other Burlington stations) expect to start HD
transmittions next fall. We are currently building new facilities on Mt
Mansfield for WPTZ-DT, WCAX-DT, WVNY-DT and WETK-DT (Vt PBS). If the
weather holds up and there is a "Normal" construction season, late next
summer or early next fall is the "On Air" target date for all of us. I can
tell you that currently the construction work is running ahead of schedule.

It jas been a long haul for all of us and finally there is some light at
the end of the tunnel.

Thanks for your interest and patience.

Joe Krone
Operations Manager
WPTZ/WNNE
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My reply to Joe Aug3rd:

Hi Joe,

First off, thank you for taking the time to reply.

I probably didn't make myself very clear in my initial email. I've been
following the progress of WNNE's trek to digital for over a year now and
have exchanged many emails and even a few phone calls with Roger. I've also
been viewing the new channel 25 since it came online.

What I want to know is when we can expect the HD programming that NBC DOES
provide to actually be passed on as HD to the WNNE facilities ? Currently
it's NOT coming through in HD and as I understand it, it's due to "switcher"
problems at the Plattsburg end.

Is this "switching" the HD feed something that requires more modern
equipment at your facilities or just a matter of someone configuring and
operating the equipment you have properly ?

Even the normal SD programming currently being broadcast on channel 25
doesn't look very good through a digital (1080i DVI) connection. If I input
it through composite to my HDTV, it does look somewhat better but not as
good as 480i should look.

As for signal strength, I'm getting a very strong reading (high 80s - low
90s), which is even higher than I get with from the VTPBS signal (channel
24) and their HD station (24-5 I believe) looks excellent.

Sorry to get so long winded here but if you could please let me know what
the status is of the "switching" problem at the WPTZ facility and how soon
you think before you will actually be passing on NBC's HD programming, I
would really appreciate it. I will also pass that information on to the
HDTV discussion group I belong to, since they do have a thread devoted to HD
viewing in Vt & NH.

Thanks again,
Walt Mather
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No response, so tried again Aug 12th:

Hi again Joe,

I replied to your reply but since I haven't heard back yet, I thought I'd
send it again (see below). Just wondering (hoping) if WNNE-DT will be
broadcasting the HD signal of NBC's coverage of the NASCAR NEXTEL race at
Watkins Glen this Sunday (8-14)?

Thanks,
Walt Mather
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Reply from Joe Aug 15th:

NBC has announced that all NASCAR Nextel cup races will be in ND and YES,
WNNE-DT should have it when NBC sends the seed to us for air.
Joe
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My response to Joe Aug 15th:

Come on Joe - is this really what you want me to pass on ?

Besides my own interest in getting the network programming in HD from our
local affiliates, I also keep others in Vt, Nh & upstate NY informed via
internet discussion groups. We all try to keep pretty well informed and are
well aware of what's going on in the world of high definition both at the
national level and our respective local areas.

As a representative of 2 major television stations in Northern New England,
I'm not sure you really want me to pass on what you just told me ?

Other than the races that TNT HD covers, NBC HAS BEEN providing the HD
signal to their affiliates for the Nascar races since they took over their
half of the season on July 2nd with the Pepsi 400 (as you know, Fox had the
first half of the season).

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it's my understanding that WNNE-DT is, in fact,
ready to send NBC's high def signal over the air from Mt Ascutney as soon as
Plattsburg "flips the switch", which WPTZ apparently can't do because they
don't have the proper switching equipment in place. In other words, all
we've been seeing from the channel 25 so far has been "upconverted" standard
definition - even when NBC IS providing an HD signal.

We (owners of HD equipment in Northern New England) just want some straight
answers and a reasonable estimate as to when we will actually be seeing real
HD programming on channel 25.

I look forward to hearing from you.
Thanks,
Walt Mather
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As yet I have not heard anything more. If any of you have additional information, please post it.
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They must have been doing some messing around today. I noticed they had switched to the typical digital setup for non HD(pillar boxes 4:3 screen format) during the early afternoon but now they are back to the streched SD. I got excited for a second thinking that perhaps they have figured it out until they switched back.
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They must have been doing some messing around today. I noticed they had switched to the typical digital setup for non HD(pillar boxes 4:3 screen format) during the early afternoon but now they are back to the streched SD. I got excited for a second thinking that perhaps they have figured it out until they switched back.

I've got an email in to the WNNE engineer. He's always been good about getting back to me, so hopfully I'll have something to report soon. Thanks for posting Coach. I was busy working today so didn't get a chance to see first hand what you were referring to. Let's hope this means they're at least making progress toward getting real HD on WNNE soon.

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Just heard back from WNNE. The guy I usually talk to was on vacation, so was not aware of what's been going on. He thinks some of the emails to WPTZ might have gotten some results as apparently they now have the NBC HD feed up and have tried to send it down to Mt Ascutney a few times (which is what Coach Gibbs probably noticed).

Anyway, looks like things are moving again, so keep an eye out. I don't think the NBC feed contains any HD durning the day, so we probably won't be able to tell much until prime time programming.

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Checked last night and still the ugly upconvert. I find I can't even watch this on my HD (DVI) connection. If I use composite though it doesn't look too bad - actually best that WNNE's ever looked on my set.

Just wish they'd get the HD coming in soon because NBC's got the race this weekend and I've gotten pretty spoiled seeing them in HD on TNT.

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I see they are playing with it again right now. Got the 4:3 screen and pillar boxes on the side. Hopefully they leave it this way now. Except maybe re-align the picture which has gotten too low lately.

Their stretched SD is terrible. Pretty much unwatchable on my set as well. The sound too is an issue. I have to crank the sound way up on my receiver to hear anything on the channel.
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I see they are playing with it again right now. Got the 4:3 screen and pillar boxes on the side. Hopefully they leave it this way now. Except maybe re-align the picture which has gotten too low lately.

Their stretched SD is terrible. Pretty much unwatchable on my set as well. The sound too is an issue. I have to crank the sound way up on my receiver to hear anything on the channel.

I'm working so can't check it out 'til later. I have the same sound problem though. Many of my Dish HD channels require a little more volume than SD but WNNE is a lot softer. So much so that if I forget to turn it down when I switch back to a satellite channel, it blasts me out. I know the VTPBS HD channel isn't like that. Maybe it's a dolby 5.1 issue and maybe, in an effort to balance it, WNNE has turned theirs down too far. I'll have to remember to ask their engineer. Hopfully once they've got these other issues straightened out it'll all fall into place.

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It's back to the stretched SD now so your not missing much. Went back at 3:00 pm which I believe is the same way it did last week. Seems they do it for the 2 soap operas and then when it goes back to local programming, it ends up back as the stretched mess.
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It's back to the stretched SD now so your not missing much. Went back at 3:00 pm which I believe is the same way it did last week. Seems they do it for the 2 soap operas and then when it goes back to local programming, it ends up back as the stretched mess.

I wish someone with more expertise would jump in this thread. Someone that might know what it is that Plattsburg isn't doing because it seems like they (WPTZ) don't know and are just experimenting.

I don't have much basis for comparison other than the CBS HD signal out of NY which goes to 4:3 with grey sidebars when not in HD and ESPN HD which does the same except their sidebars are more customized. In fact the only station that still stretches SD is TNT HD on Dish and they use a special format that doesn't look anywhere near as bad as WNNE.

I think most people would rather use their own TV screen format controls for viewing SD and when the channel imposes their own stretch by virtue of up converting, it really limits that control.

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Well since I work from home I've been keeping an eye on it and they have showed the Today show with the side bars and when they went to commercial breaks or their news, it went back to streched. Back at all streched now. Seems like they have no idea what they are doing.
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yipikyer:

You may want to keep the first post updated with current HD status (or latest projections). As this thread grows, and hopefully HD develops in VT - it would be helpful for newbies to check the first post to get the latest without having to search through the whole thread.
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Not sure who else noticed it, but they finally seemed to have figured it out. I saw some HD on the station last night and it looked pretty good. Too bad NBC has pretty much no programming that interests me, though getting some of the NHL in HD will be cool.
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Not sure who else noticed it, but they finally seemed to have figured it out. I saw some HD on the station last night and it looked pretty good. Too bad NBC has pretty much no programming that interests me, though getting some of the NHL in HD will be cool.

Yes I did see it. I've been so used to tuning in and being disappointed that I almost didn't check last night but just before I went to bed I switched over and got to see 'ol Jay Leno in high definition and it didn't look too bad. Not as good as VTPBS HD or Discovery HD but every bit as good as CBS HD. The real test will be the Nascar race Sunday night or maybe even the Katrina concert tonight (if it's being broadcast in HD - I don't know).

I also noticed that the SD commerical breaks are normal 4:3 which I think is the better way to go unless they can get a decent up-convert like TNT has. NBC just needs to get a decent side bar setup.

I guess an email of congratulations is in order to WNNE & WPTZ for percervering.

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Waltinvt; How much power are they broadcasting in? I cannot pull it in in Jericho near Burlington with my attick mount radioshack antenna. Thinking of trying a booster. Any ideas as to test stations (even analog) to use as guides to ascertain needed signal strength? Note I have not been able to pull anything from that way so far..but my setup is minimal; the smaller radioshack VHF/UHF and no booster..and its pointed at NY to get Mountain Lake PBS....Thanks.
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Waltinvt; How much power are they broadcasting in? I cannot pull it in in Jericho near Burlington with my attick mount radioshack antenna. Thinking of trying a booster. Any ideas as to test stations (even analog) to use as guides to ascertain needed signal strength? Note I have not been able to pull anything from that way so far..but my setup is minimal; the smaller radioshack VHF/UHF and no booster..and its pointed at NY to get Mountain Lake PBS....Thanks.

I don't know for sure what the power is currently but I'm getting a signal in the low 90s on my Dish 942 which is a little higher than I get for the Vtpbs HD from the same transmitter location.

I know their engineer said they would be doing full power but don't know if that was right off or down the road.

I know that the HD signal is being relayed down to Mt Ascutney from Plattsburg but that's probably a microwave thing. I wonder if WPTZ-DT is actually transmitting or even capable of transmitting any digital from their current tower.

I also heard some talk that they were going to provide the HD signal to cable.

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Thanks Walt. I picked up a 25db amplifier and it didn't help....even the Montreal analog signals became worse, not better, I think a bigger antenna and some exotic preamp might do it but.....you're right, I'm sure Adelphia (Comcast?) will pick up the transmission..making my transition back to cable at YE when my Directv commit expires appear all the better.

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Over on DBStalk (link here -> http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.ph...163#post443163) someone posted that the directv website for HD DNS eligibility was back up. However in examining our allowability for the national HD feeds it defeats that because of having decent OTA standard def signals! How does that work? Because the locals broadcasts in SD I loose for HD? I knew the recent laws were insane but not that insane.

PS Put in Castleton VT and you are ALLOWED HD nationals because the SD OTA is too weak. Time to "move"?

I do not get this.

Edit -> Now a read the disclaimer at the bottom of the Directv page and it says"..Under the Satellite Home Viewers Extension and Reauthorization Act (SHVERA) DIRECTV is permitted to transmit up to two analog feeds or one digital (HD) feed of LA or NY TV station network signals for private home viewing to persons who reside in unserved households, if they live in a market where DIRECTV does not provide local network programming..."

Thus confirming the insanity. Who wrote this law?
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A little off topic, but does anyone know why Vermont's UPN station (WGMU) is not part of the locals on DirecTV? I know they're probably not obliged to carry it since it's a LP station, but it would still be useful if they added it, since there are A LOT of syndicated shows that have moved to this station.
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What happened to the VPT PBS HD Channel 24-5? Blank screen for me and now they are multicasting on the 21-2, 21-3, and 21-4 channels. Would figure I'd gain one HD channel(WNNE) and then lose another.
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