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post #691 of 14410 Old 06-17-2004, 09:43 AM
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The HD-One Movies should air as scheduled. There was a problem with the sat feed during the taping for the last one and so it was not shown. Expect that the others will show as scheduled.

I need to know which OTA HD Rcvr is the best. Most informative. Picture quality is not as big of a issue as information about the signal quality, bandwidth, etc

So give me some options so I can get one purchased soon. (Don and Jeff)

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Thanks for the info on HD-one.

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I need to know which OTA HD Rcvr is the best. Most informative. Picture quality is not as big of a issue as information about the signal quality, bandwidth, etc

For that sort of info, I think some of the PC card DTV receivers offer the best info, as Unfortunetly, there are no OTA STB's I know of that give you good information on any of those things -- a "signal quality meter" with a scale of 1-100, or a bar scale of "Bad to Good" is about as good as they get.

It just gives me a "signal quality reading" and no other real info concerning the signal or video resolution/bandwidth used or video resolution being sent/etc -- but, Where RF performance is concerned, I do like my Zenith HDV420 -- While it does support channel remapping via PSIP, it does not however support station ID via PSIP, or Off air guides via PSIP -- wheareas MOST STB's these days do.

I think if I was buying a OTA, ATSC only STB now(which has it's advantages over a box with both ATSC+NTSC tuners, as NTSC signals can sometimes "get in the way" if the box locks on a NTSC signal+"decides" that's what you want to see on that channel) -- I'd probably be looking at the LG3100a, or the RCA ATSC11 -- Or, I might just look for the cheapest thing I could find -- Maybe the Sylvania Box, From what I've heard -- I don't think I'd mess with the USDTV receiver they've got at Walmart.

Where data bandwidth is concerned, for accurate info I think you would really need a transport stream analyzer -- but, I think it can be done to some extent via software that analyzes a MPEG2 stream used with with PC card DTV receiver.

One of the best receivers I know of that gives good information concerning the signal quality (error rate, SNR/etc), as well as good info on PSIP info(it doesn't support Off-air program guides via PSIP, however)+video resolutions being sent by the station would be the Hauppage WINTV-D PC card -- It unfortunetly does not output HD, however -- but I think they have a HD version (WINTV-HD perhaps) that does output HD, I think with component, or possibly RGB out).

About 2/3~3/4 way down at the following page(in the section entitled "DXing With the Hauppauge WinTV-D Computer Card
Updated 06/07/03"), there is a good write-up on the WINTV-D card, including screen shots of its diagnostic tools/etc.

http://www.dxfm.com/Content/DTV_info.htm

After that section on this page, in the "DTV Tuner shootout" section there is also info on side by side comparisons done(concerning RF performance mostly) with a number of OTA DTV receivers.

There is alsogood info that might give you an idea of what is out there+what you are dealing with feature+performance wise in Peter Putnam's reviews of quite a number of receivers(mostly older models though), which can be found scattered about this page :

http://www.hdtvexpert.com/Pages/archive.html

Hope this helps -- I think you'll enjoy OTA HD/DTV when you do pick up something -- especially so given a decent, outdoor setup, as you should be able to easily pull in both Dayton+Cincinnati stations.

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Noticed no hd from WKRC-DT for "Thirteen Days" and it looks like WCPO-DT's HD receiving gear (as we say in the industry) "took a dump" last night. WCET-DT wasn't passing HD for Fleetwood Mac, either. When it rains, it pours. From what I can tell, WCVN-DT had the ONLY OTA HD in town, Saturday night.

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Hey Doc -- Congrats on 3K.

I noticed that too. Was watching "Thirteen Days" in HD on WHIO-DT Dayton last night, and all was well with HD from the other Dayton stations last night as well. But, flipped over to the Cincy stations a couple of times and it seemed like Cincy HD went back in time about 3+ years for a Sat night, except for KET. Maybe Murphy's running around loose again.

HD was missing from KET4 Thur/Fri night, except for a couple frames of video prior to 11pm Thur, and after 11pm (Soundstage went to almost 11:30 on Thur) when they fixed it ... Looked like WPTD-DT Dayton's HD encoder was spitting out junk for video Thurs. night, so out of the 3 current Local PBS affiliates, there was just WCET-HD on thur night for the first airing of Fleetwood Mac HD ...WPTD-DT got that fixed sometime before "Smarttravels" on Friday ...

Looked like same problem on WCET-DT last night as we've seen oftentimes before, although its been a while that I've noticed -- They didn't quite get switched "out" of "SD Mode" at 7pm -- 48-4+48-5 still there as "placeholders", but blank screen and 48-1 wasn't there at all.

I also noticed WKRC/WKRC-DT aired this month's HD-One movie ST:III yesterday afternoon -- SD only of course. Usually, the SD airings of HD-one on KRC have been 2AM Sunday morning. Looking forward to seeing HD "Raiders of Lost ark"(to See if it looks as good as it did when ABC aired it in HD and OAR in 2002) next month + ST:IV in August ....

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...not to bring up much-less-IMPORTANT programming but was anyone else able to get the US Open over the weekend in HD? -what about surrounding areas? I hope WLWT-DT 35 (5-1) - NBC HD will get it together for the Olympics...won't they?
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I don't think the U.S. Open was offered in HD. CBS has 13 PGA events in HD because it's easier to sell an HD co-sponsorship (to pay for the additional costs of HD coverage) when you have a chain of events (such as the SEC games in the fall, Triple Crown horse races). Tougher to find a co-sponsor for just one event unless it's huge (Olympics, Daytona) or completely paid for by the event sponsor (Masters).

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I was very disappointed the US Open was not in HD this past weekend. I am hoping later this year will be a break-out year in HD programming. I can only watch so much of Jay Leno and Yellow Stone National Park on Discovery...
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Let's see what is currently scheduled for HD or Fox WS/PBS WS for this week from the broadcast nets+Cincinnati stations :

NBC HD from WLWT-DT 35 (5-1) Cincinnati :

Mon:
11:34 PM THE TONIGHT SHOW WITH JAY LENO 2732 - KIERA KNIGHTLEY, DAN ABRAMS, AVRIL LAVIGNE

Tue:
10:00 PM LAW & ORDER: SPECIAL VICTIMS UNIT RITUAL
11:34 PM THE TONIGHT SHOW WITH JAY LENO 2733 - TOBEY MAGUIRE, ROCKY LaPORTE, MAROON 5

Wed:
9:00 PM LAW & ORDER BOUNTY
10:00 PM LAW & ORDER EVIL BREEDS
11:34 PM THE TONIGHT SHOW WITH JAY LENO 2734 - KEENAN IVORY WAYANS

Thur.
8:32 PM COME TO PAPA - THE CRUSH
9:59 PM ER - THE STUDENT
11:34 PM THE TONIGHT SHOW WITH JAY LENO 2735 - WILL FERRELL, UNCLE KRACKER

Fri.
10:00 PM LAS VEGAS DIE FAST DIE FURIOUS
11:34 PM THE TONIGHT SHOW WITH JAY LENO 2736

Sun :
9:00 PM LAW & ORDER: CRIMINAL INTENT MIS-LABELED
10:00 PM CROSSING JORDAN 'TIL DEATH DO US PART

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ABC HD from WCPO-DT 10 (9-1) Cincinnati

Mon. :
8pm My Wife and Kids
8:30pm George Lopez
9pm According to Jim
9:30pm Hope & Faith

Tue:
8pm 8 Simple Rules
8:30pm I'm with Her
9pm According to Jim
9:30pm Less Than Perfect

Wed:
8pm My Wife and Kids
9pm The Drew Carey Show
9:30pm The Drew Carey Show

Thur:
9pm Kingdom Hospital

Fri : (Note: WCPO-DT has a non-network Movie currently sceheduled for 8~10pm Fri)(likely SD) - But, with a decent antenna setup, unless you are way south of the river you can also likely get this from WDTN-DT, ABC Dayton if you wish ...

8pm George Lopez
8:30pm Married to the Kellys
9pm Hope & Faith
9:30pm Life with Bonnie

Sat:
8pm Saturday Night at the Movies: Artificial Intelligence: AI

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CBS HD - from WKRC-DT Cincinnati 31 (12-1)

Mon:
8pm - STILL STANDING -"Still Our Kids"
8:30pm -YES, DEAR - "Big Jimmy Babysits"
9pm - EVERYBODY LOVES RAYMOND - "Golf For It"
9:30pm - TWO AND A HALF MEN -"Round One to the Hot Crazy Chick"
10pm - CSI: MIAMI - "Innocent"

Wed:
9pm - THE KING OF QUEENS - "Multiple Plots"
9:30pm - STILL STANDING - "Still Got It"

Thur:
8pm- WITHOUT A TRACE -"The Source"
9pm - CSI: "Getting Off"
10pm - "WITHOUT A TRACE"

Fri:
8pm: JOAN OF ARCADIA - "Requiem for a Third Grade Ashtray"
9pm : JAG - "Hard Time"

Sat:
8pm: THE KING OF QUEENS - "Secret Garden"
8:30pm - "KEEPING THE FAITH" (Movie)

Sun:
8pm: COLD CASE
"Disco Inferno"

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PBS HD Channel (HD or upconverted SD widescreen programming) -from - WCET-DT 34 (48-1) Cincinnati , WCVN-DT 24 (54-4 - KET4) Covington,KY. Note: WCET-DT runs PBS HD channel 7-11pm nightly, WCVN-DT runs PBS HD channel on KET4 8-11pm M-Sat, 7-11pm Sun. WPTD-DT Dayton runs PBS HD 6pm~6am nightly, I did not include their 6~7pm or 11pm~6am schedule here in the interest of keeping this short

Monday, June 21, 2004
7:00 PM DESERT SPEAKS ROYAL ROAD ACROSS THE FRONTIER
7:30 PM SMART TRAVELS - EUROPE MEDIEVAL EUROPE
8:00 PM GREAT PERFORMANCESTCHAIKOVSKY SYMPHONY NO. 4
9:00 PM HISTORY DETECTIVES CIVIL WAR-ERA SUBMARINE/RED CLOUD'S
10:00 PM NATURE TRIUMPH OF LIFE: "THE ETERNAL ARMS

Tuesday, June 22, 2004
7:00 PM DESERT SPEAKS ROYAL ROAD ACROSS THE FRONTIER
7:30 PM SMART TRAVELS - EUROPE MEDIEVAL EUROPE
8:00 PM NOVA VOLCANO ABOVE THE CLOUDS
9:00 PM SOUNDSTAGE FLEETWOOD MAC
10:00 PM NATURE TRIUMPH OF LIFE: "THE ETERNAL ARMS

Wednesday, June 23, 2004
7:00 PM DESERT SPEAKS ROYAL ROAD ACROSS THE FRONTIER
7:30 PM SMART TRAVELS - EUROPE MEDIEVAL EUROPE
8:00 PM AMERICAN MASTERS HANK WILLIAMS: HONKY TONK BLUES
9:00 PM GREAT PERFORMANCES TCHAIKOVSKY SYMPHONY NO. 4
10:00 PM AYERS ROCK, A NAKED PLANET SPECIAL

Thursday, June 24, 2004
7:00 PM DESERT SPEAKS ROYAL ROAD ACROSS THE FRONTIER
7:30 PM SMART TRAVELS - EUROPE MEDIEVAL EUROPE
8:00 PM AMERICAN FAMILY - JOURNEY OF DREAMS VICTORY
9:00 PM HISTORY DETECTIVES CIVIL WAR-ERA SUBMARINE/RED CLOUD'S
10:00 PM SOUNDSTAGE SHERYL CROW - PART 1

Friday, June 25, 2004
7:00 PM DESERT SPEAKSROYAL ROAD ACROSS THE FRONTIER
7:30 PM SMART TRAVELS - EUROPEMEDIEVAL EUROPE
8:00 PM SOUNDSTAGE SHERYL CROW - PART 1
9:00 PM GREAT PERFORMANCES TCHAIKOVSKY SYMPHONY NO. 4
10:00 PM NATURE TRIUMPH OF LIFE: "THE ETERNAL ARMS"

Saturday, June 26, 2004
7:00 PM DESERT SPEAKS ROYAL ROAD TO THE FINAL OUTPOST
7:30 PM SMART TRAVELS - EUROPE FOUR GREAT CITIES OF EUROPE
8:00 PM NATURE TRIUMPH OF LIFE: "THE ETERNAL ARMS
9:00 PM - AMERICAN FAMILY - JOURNEY OF DREAMS
10:00 PM - AYERS ROCK, A NAKED PLANET SPECIAL

Sun., June 27
7:00 PM AMERICAN FAMILY - JOURNEY OF DREAMS THE CHILD
8:00 PM NATURE TRIUMPH OF LIFE: "WINNING TEAMS"
9:00 PM SOUNDSTAGE SHERYL CROW - PART 1
10:00 PM AMERICAN FAMILY - JOURNEY OF DREAMS THE CHILD
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Fox Widescreen from WXIX-DT 29 (19-1) Cincinnati - Currently upconverted to 1080i at the station. Yes I know, it's not HD Quite yet but, nevertheless it looks quite good (~480p so called "anamorphic" DVD quality)

Sunday 6/20
10am Fox News Sunday
1pm NASCAR DHL 400
7:30pm Oliver Beene
8:30pm Arrested Development
9pm Malcom in the Middle
9:30pm Quintuplets

Monday :
8pm North Shore
9pm Casino

Tue:
8pm Bernie Mac Show
8:30pm Method&Red
9pm The Jury

Wed:
8:30pm Quintuplets
9:30pm Method & Red

Thur:
8pm North Shore
9pm True Calling

Fri:
8pm Bernie Mac
8:30pm Method&Red
9pm The Jury

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WB & UPN HD - Unfortunetly, Niether Cincinnati or Dayton WB digital affiliates currently pass through WB HD, although their digital stations have been on the air since Dec 02(WSTR-DT 33(64-1))~Feb 03(WBDT-DT 18(26-1)). WB Offers shows such as "Everwood", "Reba", "Smallville" and "Gilmore Girls", and some movies in HD. UPN Cincinnati (WBQC-CA 25) is a low power, Class A station, and Therefore doesn't have a DTV channel allocation from FCC. In '03-04, UPN offered "Enterprise", and Some Movies in HD.

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Now, whether or not you enjoy, or watch any of the above is agnostic. It's a bit thinner currently than what we are used to during Fall~Spring -- This should be expected, as it is Summer. Shows like American Dreams, West Wing, Alias, the Practice, NYPD Blue and O.C./24 which are in HD or Fox WS through the regular season aren't airing much of the time, if at all, presently.

But, nevertheless, There is still certianly plenty of HD being aired these days as compared to a couple of years ago, when you would be lucky to get a few hours of HD per week - Anywhere in the world -- HDnet/Sho-HD/HBO-HD was IT besides NBC/ABC/CBS/PBS HD+ Fox WS, the vast majority of that being from CBS. In fact, with a few exceptions, except for Reality TV, news shows and some sports, the vast majority of Network programming IS NOW offered in HD(or Fox WS) from the broadcast networks, as has been the case since Fall 2002.

As for sports/live HD productions -- quite a bit more expensive than SD. Not a lot of HD production equipment out there yet. Few viewers watching. HD/DTV viewers not counted in the ratings yet. If this were analog TV we were talking about, it would be about 1953, now. Nevertheless, it has been common over the past 2-3 years to get the Oscars, Superbowl(even in 99 -- Fox WS in 2002), some of the NCAA Tourney games, SEC football, MNF(1999+2003-04), Triple Crown, and beginning last year, NFL playoffs and regular season NFL games in HD or Fox WS(Regular season games which will evidently become a lot more common in HD this coming year), Masters+this year more HD Golf from CBS, etc/etc/etc/ In HD. NBC even aired some "surprise" HD Boxing on a weekend afternoon a month or two back.

As for the HD Olympics, If the HD coverage is anything like the fine job NBC/HDnet did for the 2002 Winter HD Olympics, I think you'll be pleased ...

For more details on currently available HD programming, see the AVS Forum Programming Sypnosis here:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...hreadid=164671

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Great info. Awesome job Jeff

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Nice job Jeff..

However, I would not classify it as PLENTY of programming. Maybe compared to a year ago...

Remember a while back when a service was first introduced. (I think it was called ONTV). Probably 20 years ago.. Prior to cable...

It was a little black box with a knob you turned ON to get 1 movie station and had a funky rooftop antenna. Everyone thought this was more than enough at it's time. I mean, you can't watch more than one show at one given time.

I guess I am spoiled with variety at any given time.

I know it is coming and mainstream will push it over the edge with more HD Sets entering households.

However, if I was forced to either 1) Keep HD w/ current programming for a year and give up all SD channels or 2) Give up HD and keep all channels in SD for a year.... I would chose 2.
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GREAT POST, JEFF! ...a better post than the programming itself, IMO.

It IS a pretty weak selection now (mostly due to off-season). I still can't believe NBC/sponsors couldn't pony-up the $'s for the Open in HD -this is a big-event, COMMON!

You add the fact that ONLY ONE OTA station (and a the weakest-one) is outputting DD 5.1 which, to me, is about 50% of the attraction/impact of an HD program.

This is all the more reason th HDTivo box is a simple, perfect solution for grabbing & stockpiling the few good HD choices that are out there...
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Jeff--

Thanks for the excellent post. It looks like the major prime time scripted shows are nearing 100% HD. Many but not all special events are coming in HD as well. There is a critical mass that needs to exist for the providers to get serious about the product and I believe we may be approaching that point. Huge price breaks are around the corner on flat screen technology as new factories come on line in China and Korea. When the "cool" TV's get down to the $1000-$2000 range, market acceptance will explode.

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The real breaking point from a coverage standpoint will come once the new HD remote trucks are paid off and THAT cost comes down. Plus, some of the truck suppliers are not building all new trucks; it's cheaper to convert a standard-definition truck. Every converted SD truck means one more HD truck and one LESS SD truck.

The best news is the growth in the ad market. My clients are all well above projections and we're all pretty far down the food chain. If we're seeing more $$, then the big boys are, too. That could mean the $$ for HD buildouts that stalled after 9-11 could be flowing back in. I think we're seeing that with announcements from Fox and - more importantly - Sinclair.

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Yes --- I think you hit the nail(s) right on the head, Doc - concerning the trucks and the ad revenue.

You might find this interesting --- Sinclair's Q1 '04 report :

http://www.sbgi.net/press/release_200456_68.shtml

One thing some people sometimes seem to forget ... Sinclair picked up quite a number of "bottom of the barrel"(or nearly so) stations in the mid-late 90's which may not have made it much longer otherwise. Those stations for the most part still have low ratings, and it will probably stay that way, but for the most part they do seem to be finding ways to make it work ...

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Speaking of HD trucks ... Just ran across this article concerning new trucks for Fox NFL HD :

http://www.tvtechnology.com/features..._the_old.shtml

A short quote from the Article:

"The network had to ensure there would be a sufficient pool of HD trucks for the games. Industry-wide, there is a shortfall of HD trucks to meet the demand for remote HD productions in all sectors, especially sports and entertainment."

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Not to change the direction of the current thread.. but does anyone use any of the directv high def receivers? I have one on order from them and wonder how the local OTA broadcasts integrate into the Directv guide?

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Hi Jim--

The OTA channels are included in the the channel guide along with all the program information you would expect.

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Jim..

The DirecTV receivers use what's called DirecTV's "Advanced Program Guide." You put in a couple of zip codes and it will download and COMBINE the OTA guide with the Sat guide. For Cincinnati stations, it does a marveous job. You tend to end up with three listings for each station. The analog channel, DirecTV's "local channel" and the digital channel. Of course, you can erase some of those in custom guides.

The guide assumes PSIP remapping. So, if you plug in Dayton stations - depending on the receiver - the program guide will turn up for 22-1 (WKEF-DT) but you'll have to tune to 51-1 to get a picture.

Word of advice: Tune the box back to a Sat A channel before you knock off for the night. The APG info isn't fed on the other two birds and, if you miss enough of the incremental updates, the whole thing will wreck and you'll need to reboot. The boxes stay "tuned" to the last satellite you viewed, even when switched "off."

Anything else I can tell you, just ask. I have the otiginal Zenith box.

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Great - thanks all - sounds like it will be just like it is for the standard locals

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...I haven't done much watching of PBS (48-1) but when I tried to 'HDTivo' the program "Soundstage - Fleetwood Mac" last nite, (at 8 or 9pm?) nothing was there?? Do they sign-off at 8 or something? -if so, then why is the programming guide still there? Would another PBS affiliate work? --and this is the best (only one w/5.1) OTA channel??
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I believe WCETDT 48-1 has been off the air the last few days.

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I tried watching that last night and I would get a quick flash of the concert then it would disappear...
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WCET-DT usually activates 48-1 for HD programming and shuts down two of the subchannels. But that doesn't always happen. I didn't watch last night, but they didn't have 48-1 activated over the weekend. Since your TiVo gets the guide info from DirecTV's APG, it has no way of knowing the channel didn't come on. If you can pick them up, WCVN-DT runs PBS-HD on 54-4 and seems to be more consistent. If you're closer to Dayton, try WPTD-DT's HD channel, which is 16-6.

I don't know about the TiVo boxes, but some STBs won't recognize the PBS channel changes without a re-scan or a reboot.

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Actually, WCET-DT, WCVN-DT and WPTD-DT ALL have DD 5.1 capability, although I haven't seen it happen very often from WCVN-DT/WPTD-DT - More from WCVN-DT than WPTD-DT -- I think they only do it when the programming is actually produced in DD 5.1 -- although I'm not sure if they "allways do it" even then, and I've only noticed it once last summer during a Soundstage from WPTD-DT -- Of course, one of their folks told us about it here too, though .... WDTN-DT, ABC(For now - They are switching to NBC affiliation in september) Dayton is the other station in the area that currently does DD 5.1. All Fox affiliates that Pass HD later this year will have DD 5.1, as with the Fox HD system the affiliate doesn't have to have DD 5.1 capability -- its passed through the Splicer at the affiliate (along with the HD) just as Fox sends it.

WPTD-DT doesn't drop subchannels like WCET does, for instance 16-6 is allways there+you allways get a lock on it, but it is just "blank" from 6am-6pm when they are sending programming on all their 4 other SD subchannels(16.2~5).

Anyway, PBS HD from WPTD-DT has really been plagued by compression artifacts last couple of nights -- much worse than usual, even though they had up just the "regular" 2 SD services alongside HD -- They occasionally "mess up" too and occasionally send THREE SD+1 HD service, and I've even seen 4SD+1 HD before from them --- and 3 SD+1 HD certianly looks bad, but still not as bad as it has the past couple of nights for some reason -- anything moves, and it has been just a mass of little blocks. Otherwise, Its been fine the last 5 days or so, but last Thrusday night their encoder did appear to be sending "junk" for video.

Very much a rarity -- but -- WCVN-DT 54-4 (KET4) has had some problems with PBS HD the last week as well ... Sat and Sun were fine, but there were problems thur/fri night, and maybe last night as well(I didn't check it, but there are some reports on Lou/Lex thread of problems from last couple of days). I talked to William via PM a couple days ago, and among other things that has him/them really busy down there, he said they are chasing a bug with their HD sat receiver.

It's not that WCET-DT is "off the air" -- They are on the air Daily from around 8~9am to 11pm(sometimes staying up "late" if the scheduled programming that started earlierruns past 11) -- As Doc mentioned, it has to do with how they switch between 4 Channel SD multicast mode (SD services on 48-2, 48-3, 48-4, 48-5 - 8am~7pm daily) and HD Mode(48-1 HD - 48-2+48-3 SD 7pm~11pm nightly).

FWIW Both my receivers handle the nightly subchannel changes from WCET just fine "automatically"(Even if I turn Channel remapping/PSIP off on DTC-100) -- As long as WCET does it right, that is. I think they've only done it right one night in the past 5 nights or so. Of course, when they are in 4 channel SD mode, since 48-1 doesn't show up there anyway, obviously Off air guides(and I assume EPG from the Sat) for 48-1 don't show up either until they activate it at 7pm. Makes it a little difficult to use the guide info If you're trying to look at the guide BEFORE 7pm, but then again, of course it really doesn't matter to me as I have the guide turned off on my only receiver that supports it anyway(DTC-100) for various reasons (few stations send guide info via PSIP, STT clock is wrong from many stations/etc).

The majority of the time when WCET "messes up" -- They're obviously trying to switch to HD mode at 7pm as "usual" but it's not quite working for some reason -- I notice when they mess up(as has been the case lately) when they are "supposed" to be in HD mode 48-1 just isn't there at all(as is the case from 8am-7pm daily when they are in SD mode), 48-2 and 48-3 are fine just as they are all the time(SD or HD "mode") and 48-4+48-5(which are there the rest of the day+just fine when they are in 4 channel SD mode) are "sort of" there as placeholders, but they are blank+get no lock ... When they "do it right" getting in HD mode, 48-4+48-5 disappear. This has been a pretty common problem we've seen from them ....

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WOW...so much for "set-it and forget" then I guess. It's not reasonable IMO to have to check if the station is bradcasting when it's supposed to.

It's too bad cause these guys are good when it does come-in. I don't have much need for the rest of the sub-channels (-2, -3, -4, etc) - I just want my darn-content in HD! ...guess I'll try again for Cheryl Crow comin' up...

PS: I'm thinking of selling (or holding on to) my DTC-100. Does it do something special (in re: to sub-channel guide/reception) so I should hold on to it, you think? It's not worth a whole lot now anyway...
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In general stations in our area do a great job, but at this stage with (H) DTV, we are still early in the game and "techincal difficulties" are just going to happen occasionally, more occasionally than you'll see with analog TV. It'll get better once the digital station becomes more important to them, and it will especially get better once the analogs are gone, and they'll have only ONE station to take care of instead of TWO.

I especially like DTC-100 as it lets you turn off the PSIP/Guide functions - No other receiver(besides PC card tuners) lets you do this. It hasn't happened very often, but if a station is sending "fouled up" PSIP info, with the PSIP stuff turned off (Turning off the "off air guides" function turns off User visable PSIP functions such as Channel remapping, STT PSIP clock/and OTA programming guides) it can work where another receiver might not.

Also -- Because it's a NTSC+ATSC tuner+the way it handles that -- I like the ability to turn off the PSIP stuff too, that way it lets me deselect the analog channels from the "profiles"(I.e. Channel surf list) list, which isn't the case otherwise. I also like that the Sat receiver is competely seperate from the OTA receiver, which is great for me as I don't use the Sat receiver at all. Might not be so great though if you like that being "integrated", with integrated EPG and the like.

Another plus is, It's also a common receiver that used as a "reference receiver" at many stations. I've also already heard on another thread from a engineer testing turning on the Broadcast Flag(as some syndicated providers are going to require that soon) that so far as he can tell, it doesn't cause the DTC any problems ...

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Update 7:20pm -- Just checked and all is well currently with PBS HD from WCET-DT 48-1 tonight. Thanks WCET Folks

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I need a spot check of KET4 please..

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William,

All is well with HD+Tchaikovsky from KET 4/WCVN-DT at 21:24~21:33 on both receivers here.

It would sound better from Music Hall though -- hopefully we'll get a HD production from there someday ... ;-)

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hey all.. one one question on the directv hi def receivers.. will I be able to pick up dayton stations as well - i realize that the guide may still be cincinnati - but there is nothing from directv's end that will stop me from tuning to the dayton stuff is there?

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OTA is OTA. Whatever signals your antenna can get the receiver will decode and display. I get Cincinnati and Dayton stations (but I've got quite a bit of antenna in the attic, too ). My receiver allows for two zip codes to be put in for the guide, so I have programming information for both markets. If I could spin the antenna around, I'd get Louisville, too.

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