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Originally posted by jspicoli
I just recently had DirecTV come out and install the HD Dish & Roof top antenna (looks like a Terk cheapy).. I get all the Cincy stations fine.
I am located in Villa Hills, KY. Being on top of the hill, there doesnt appear to be much in the way to the towers. Seeing someone in Dry Ridge is picking them up pretty easily in Dayton makes me think I should not have any problem.
If you were me.. What would you do to gain the best OTA channels available. (point my existing antenna towards Dayton and add an inside antenna for cincy? or what? )
I'll give it a shot, but Doc could likely help you out more -- as I think you are right between him+the Cincy+Dayton towers -- If I recall correctly he's on a hill(farther away from the Towers) and uses a ATtic antenna setup for Dayton AND Cincinnati.
Anyhow --- I show Villa Hills(if it's on my map right - which Shows it Just South of River+Just NNE of Florence) at 49 Miles from the Dayton TV antenna farm -- Well within range, especially since you say you are on a hill. Dayton Stations have a general coverage area of around 55-65 miles or so - depending upon terrain and other issues at receiving location of course, and a couple of the Dayton stations are using fairly directional antenna patterns.
Dayton Towers are in same, exact direction as WSTR(WB) Cincinnati tower/WXIX(Fox cincinnati - Where WPTO-DT is now too) tower from Villa Hills, so you probably shouldn't need seperate antennas, one heading+the "right antenna" should work for Cincinnati +Dayton, except perhaps for WCVN-DT KET Covington, KY which is in Taylor Mill to your SSE. Everything except WCVN-DT (Including Dayton) is within a 30 degree bearing of each other, and since you're so close to Cincy, I'd think a quite directional antenna should work well for you -- The more directivity an antenna has, also generally speaking the more gain it has, which is what you want for Dayton.
Probably the biggest issue you would run into is, your only about 4-6 miles from all the Cincinnati towers, and since they are so close AND you have to aim right through them for the Dayton stations -- Those very strong signals from the Cincinnati stations can make it difficult to receive some Dayton stations, especially ones that transmit on channels that are right next to some Cincinnati stations. This can make it very difficult for your receiver to be selective enough to sort out what is what. For instance, there is WXIX(Fox) 19 analog Cincinnati and WBDT-DT 18 Dayton -- WXIX-DT(Fox digital) 29 Cincinnati, WRGT-DT (Fox digital) 30 Dayton -- Which also uses a directional antenna pattern that doesn't favor the South, so the signal would even be weaker right next to the strong WXIX-DT.
Also, while a preamp might be a good idea for Dayton from your location -- You're so close to The Cincinnati stations that the strong signals would likely overload the preamp, which would likely add a bunch of "noise"(Intermodulation distortion) right where the bit weaker signals from Dayton are.
I don't know what antenna you're using --- That's a big factor --- If it's one of those dish clip on antennas, the ones I've seen at least -- That's pretty much a set of "rabbit ears" (Folded dipole basically) -- worse than rabbit ears really as I think they can only be adjusted to work best in the direction the dish is aimed, which I would think think would be generally South-Southwest -- Which probably does work good for Cincinnati in your location, as IF that's the sort of antenna you have, it's probably picking up the Cincinnati stations off the "back side" of the antenna (There is no back side really, but if it's mounted with the dish BEHIND it it probably isn't going to have much of a chance at Dayton) -- But, yeah, if you can "aim it" properly towards Downtown Cincinnati, if you get anything at all from Dayton (Including the UHF analog stations) that should tell you something.
Anyhow -- To try to answer you question without going into too much detail --- What I would probably do is pick up a decent, Hi-gain directional UHF antenna such as the CM4228 (as close as you are to WCPO, it should be fine for its VHF signal on 10 as well .. Rest of Cincy/Dayton digitals are currently on UHF -- You can allways add a seperate VHF antenna later if necessary) stick it on a 10ft mast in the yard, aim it North(just a tad West of Downtown -- pretty much right along I-75 corridor) and see what I get from Dayton and Cincinnati. For KET/WCVN, I'd probably get hold of a Channel 24 Jointenna(so I could combine it onto the same feedline with the CM 4228) and a small Yagi and aim it towards Taylor mill for KET. I would try to find a "sweet spot" on the roof for the antenna setup for best reception before permanently mounting it. I would try to keep the feedline to TV as short as possible and I wouldn't use a preamp unless I "knocked down" the strong Signals from Cincinnat(which would probably get pretty complicated and would probably involve quite a bit of expense ) ... From on top of a hill though from your location -- You probably won't need a preamp anyway for Dayton --
If you want to check it out, WKRC-DT has a excellent page here: concerning OTA HD reception : -- In your case -- because of your location -- What they say about aiming the antenna towards Downtown Cincinnati not only works for Cincy, but it would work for Dayton Too!http://www.wkrc.com/hdtv/receiving_hdtv.aspx
Hope that makes some sense -- Let us know how it goes if you decide to try it. You won't see a lot more HD than you do from the Cincy stations, but the Dayton stations make nice backups when things go "wrong" or when Cincy station has something else scheudled/etc. You do get some different SD programming from Dayton -- say, UD basketball games, and sometimes (but not a lot) different NFL games and the like -- Don't know how it will work out with the FOX NFL HD this fall -- I have often seen WRGT Fox Dayton air Steelers games when Fox cincy has a different game.
Oh, BTW - -- Microbob in Dry ridge is talking about WPTO-DT 28 (remaps to 14.x) - PBS/Think TV which just came on the air. -- Its in Cincinnati, Not Dayton. Dayton towers are 75 Miles from Dry ridge, a little outside their coverage area.