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boobert's Avatar boobert 05:44 PM 08-30-2013
the way my house is setup my living room windows don't face the towers and i have a house on either side of me blocking my view.I think i might be better off getting an outdoor antenna and attaching it to my chimney and facing it towards the downtown area.i'm @10 to 12 miles from downtown cincy.

luvmyhdtv's Avatar luvmyhdtv 06:31 PM 08-30-2013
I live in the Goshen area and get everything with either an old style CM4228 or my 91XG, mounted about 12 foot above the roof. I've got an old CM7777 amp and a cable run of 40 feet. I get Dayton of the back side of the antenna without any issues.
Anything you can mount outdoors is always better. I tried putting an indoor antenna on the tv years ago and got nothing at all. I'm guessing I'm 30-35 miles from either Dayton or Cincy.
Best choices are..mount the antenna outside and get it above the roof a decent amount as well. I'm surrounded by trees to my north and south as well but it doesn't cause any real issues.
I dream of getting Columbus on a semi-regular basis as I'm 77 miles or so away...only if the tropo condition are right do I get anything from Columbus. If I move another 20 miles out I'd have it made lol.
HD signals are touchy at best in a lot of areas...Cincinnati's hills don't help none of us either
ThoraX695's Avatar ThoraX695 02:06 PM 08-31-2013
It looks like you can get away with just one antenna pointing northeast. You may have to tweak its direction though to to maximize the number of stations, especially the ones from Dayton.

Edited to add: you don't need a preamp since you're too close to the Cincinnati stations. A basic outdoor antenna would be something like this, or something larger version in the same antenna family. Remember your antenna needs to pick up hi-VHF for WKRC.
boobert's Avatar boobert 03:09 PM 09-02-2013
boobert's Avatar boobert 03:09 PM 09-02-2013
would this antenna work??
gregzoll's Avatar gregzoll 03:24 PM 09-02-2013
That or the Antennas Direct DB8. Personally I would go with the DB8, since it will take up less space if placed in the attic, but also will work great in picking up all channels. There is also the ClearStream 4, that would work for your area. They will pick up VHF-hi 7-13 & all UHF. Some have split the ClearStream and DB8 into two units, to form a V, to allow better directional pick up, when you have channels coming from two points as you are, from 1 & 3 o'clock.
boobert's Avatar boobert 06:22 PM 09-02-2013
i don't have an attic so it has to go outside on a mast attached to my chimney
boobert's Avatar boobert 06:39 PM 09-02-2013
i like the way the db8x is to where you can point 1 antenna oneway and the other at another direction
boobert's Avatar boobert 06:55 PM 09-02-2013
my main goal is to try and get the most channels i can get,i still dont know what kind of rotor to get or even know if i would need one.
gregzoll's Avatar gregzoll 11:36 PM 09-02-2013
You would not need a Rotor, since the majority of the stations you get are coming from 81-88º, so no really having to move the antenna. Now of course it will also pick up off the backside with no problem. I get the local PBS which is at 235º on the Compass off the backside of my DB8. The front is pointed around 78º at Center for the NBC & CW towers in my area, but will pick up the towers around 90-96º, that are the towers for ABC, CBS, Fox, but use the YF-5713 to get a better reception for the CBS, since I would get very low Signal how the DB8 was pointed for the range that I wanted.

I just had to tweak a little bit using the CW tower and the PBS to try and fine tune in the strongest for those two, which in turn got me the strongest for the NBC, due to the CW, NBC towers are the farthest from me for my area, but the PBS is a lower power repeater. It is a trial and error to get your antenna the best. I of course also cheated and used the Winegard SensarPro signal meter, modified in a box, and just for Antenna Input only, and a power supply, so that I could use it up in the attic while fine tuning both antennas.

When you get the antennas on the mast with the Rotor, you want the Rotor at North, and the Antennas also at North, so that when you adjust the rotor the antennas will point in the correct direction.
boobert's Avatar boobert 12:43 PM 09-03-2013
great thanks for the info,think im going to go with the db8x so i can point each antennas in different directions
ThoraX695's Avatar ThoraX695 03:52 PM 09-03-2013
One more piece of advice with the HDB8X: be prepared to spend a significant amount of time adjusting your antenna since you can adjust each half independently and phasing will come into play. In other words, you may think you have one half set up fine, but when you adjust the second half, the first one gets out of whack. Experimenting is part of the fun of OTA.biggrin.gif
gregzoll's Avatar gregzoll 07:52 PM 09-03-2013
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One more piece of advice with the HDB8X: be prepared to spend a significant amount of time adjusting your antenna since you can adjust each half independently and phasing will come into play. In other words, you may think you have one half set up fine, but when you adjust the second half, the first one gets out of whack. Experimenting is part of the fun of OTA.biggrin.gif
If it was not for the fun of learning, where would be the pleasure of self masocism, when it comes with dealing with antenna tuning.

Personally I would take tuning a OTA antenna, over a satellite or other type of antenna.
ThoraX695's Avatar ThoraX695 02:42 PM 09-04-2013
One thing working in our favor (those of us actively working on our OTA setups) is that we have close to optimal conditions for the next few days - pleasant weather, no rain, and all of the leaves are still on the trees.
boobert's Avatar boobert 02:46 PM 09-04-2013
hey guys has anyone tried out the Mohu Leaf Ultimate all of my tv stations are real close to me and i was thinking that maybe a huge antenna on my roof was not really the best answer for me
rmousir's Avatar rmousir 06:02 PM 09-11-2013
Hey Guys,

I am a OTA guy for several years now. I have all the major channels in our area including 64.1. The last couple of weeks though 64.1 has had some difficulty coming in now and then. Seems like it gets worse later in the day. Any thoughts as to what my problem is? I've had no issues with 64.1 until now.

Thanks much guys.

Richard.
Fix Me's Avatar Fix Me 12:08 PM 09-24-2013
Hi, so I'm looking for an indoor antenna as I live in an apartment attaching an antenna to the roof isn't an option for me. I have tried a cheapy old school rabbit ears HD antenna and had no luck. I also tried a MOHU Leaf Ultimate and had no luck there either. Seriously, I get no reception whatsoever. I live right across the river from the Great American Ballpark in Covington, KY, so I'm very close to downtown Cincinnati. I ran a tvfool report that told me I should be getting several channels, but I get nothing. http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29&q=id%3d46ae12ff7fe4d5 I don't know if I'm doing something wrong or just getting the wrong antennas. Does anyone have any suggestions?
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hey guys has anyone tried out the Mohu Leaf Ultimate all of my tv stations are real close to me and i was thinking that maybe a huge antenna on my roof was not really the best answer for me
I have one and didn't have any luck. YMMV. I've heard they work great once you get them positioned properly.
Balloonfanatic's Avatar Balloonfanatic 08:35 PM 09-24-2013
rmousir

I combine 2 antennas together (one towards dayton the other towards cincy) and i used to have problems with signal breakups (especially 9, 48, 22 and 2 at night) . I finally installed a inline (fm trap) and my problems went away. somehow I guess the fm frequencies were confusing the tuner . They are pretty cheap (around $5) - its worth a try. Most Radio Shacks carry them in the store. here's their online link.

http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=10939219
Balloonfanatic's Avatar Balloonfanatic 09:25 PM 09-24-2013
FIX ME

I bought a Antennas Direct 2v from my neighbor who was moving for $20 and put in on the floor behind my entertainment center in Sharonville and was receiving all of the cincy stations and most of the dayton stations from this antenna (keep in mind that I have plaster walls and the metal behind the plaster really inhibits digital tv signals) . I know these are outdoor antennas but these are the only antennas that seem to work indoors that I have tried - just put them on the floor behind the tv or in a closet.. Most of the antennas I bought from the national retailers performed so bad I returned them. Here's a Best Buy link but (Antennas Direct) also matches online prices and includes free shipping if you want to deal with them directly.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/ClearStream+2V+Long-Range+HDTV+Antenna/6847298.p;jsessionid=7948F3A88105568E12FD957B88016FB4.bbolsp-app02-129?id=1218809260470&skuId=6847298&st=antennas%20direct%202v&cp=1&lp=1

Another suggestion http://www.solidsignal.com/pview.asp?p=u4000&d=antennacraft-by-radioshack-u-4000-uhf/hd-4-bay-bowtie-tv-antenna-%28u4000%29
ThoraX695's Avatar ThoraX695 04:49 PM 09-25-2013
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I live right across the river from the Great American Ballpark in Covington, KY, so I'm very close to downtown Cincinnati.

You're in a special case where you're very, very close to the transmitters. I'm very surprised that you're not getting anything. Since you're so close, it's important to not use any amplification at all. A basic pair of rabbit ears and loop for UHF should do the trick.

And I agree with Balloonfanatic that an FM trap may help. Although FM signals should only potentially interfere with WKRC since it's on Hi-VHF.

I wonder if some strange multipath is in play too.
ProjectSHO89's Avatar ProjectSHO89 11:13 AM 09-27-2013
There are substantial differences between a Clearstream 2V and a U4000. They really are not interchangeable for most situations.
Fix Me's Avatar Fix Me 06:44 AM 10-01-2013
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FIX ME

I bought a Antennas Direct 2v from my neighbor who was moving for $20 and put in on the floor behind my entertainment center in Sharonville and was receiving all of the cincy stations and most of the dayton stations from this antenna (keep in mind that I have plaster walls and the metal behind the plaster really inhibits digital tv signals) . I know these are outdoor antennas but these are the only antennas that seem to work indoors that I have tried - just put them on the floor behind the tv or in a closet.. Most of the antennas I bought from the national retailers performed so bad I returned them. Here's a Best Buy link but (Antennas Direct) also matches online prices and includes free shipping if you want to deal with them directly.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/ClearStream+2V+Long-Range+HDTV+Antenna/6847298.p;jsessionid=7948F3A88105568E12FD957B88016FB4.bbolsp-app02-129?id=1218809260470&skuId=6847298&st=antennas%20direct%202v&cp=1&lp=1

Another suggestion http://www.solidsignal.com/pview.asp?p=u4000&d=antennacraft-by-radioshack-u-4000-uhf/hd-4-bay-bowtie-tv-antenna-%28u4000%29
Thanks, I was considering the 2V and you convinced me to buy one. However, there is no change in reception. I don't understand this at all, I used to get at least some stations with my rabbit ears when I moved to my apartment in March 2011. At some point in the last year or so, when I tried my rabbit ears, I wasn't able to get anything. A thought just occurred to me. I recently (March/April) swapped out my old Onkyo receiver for a Denon one, could it somehow be causing interference? Maybe I have an FM amplifier turned on or something?

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You're in a special case where you're very, very close to the transmitters. I'm very surprised that you're not getting anything. Since you're so close, it's important to not use any amplification at all. A basic pair of rabbit ears and loop for UHF should do the trick.

And I agree with Balloonfanatic that an FM trap may help. Although FM signals should only potentially interfere with WKRC since it's on Hi-VHF.

I wonder if some strange multipath is in play too.
As they're only $5, I may try one. I've got nothing to lose at this point.
gerhard911's Avatar gerhard911 07:45 AM 10-01-2013
Fix Me,

Tough for me to believe you can't pull ANY stations at your location. How high up is your apartment? Does it have a window facing the river and if so did you try putting your Leaf on it?

Have you asked your neighbors if they get OTA reception? Does your audio receiver get any AM or FM reception?

I am going to assume that you have run your digital tuner's channel scan multiple times. If it finds nothing I would manually add the following channels:

WLWT - channel 35
WCPO - channel 22
WKRC - channel 12
WXIX - channel 29
WCET - channel 34
KET - channel 24

Use your tuner's signal meter, if it has one, to look at signal strength and quality for each channel. It should report some level of signal. Even if something is blocking signals from the Walnut Hills towers there are also signals from Clifton Heights and KET is actually behind you. Unless your building is impervious to all radio frequencies you should be able to tune in something.
Fix Me's Avatar Fix Me 09:02 AM 10-01-2013
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Fix Me,

Tough for me to believe you can't pull ANY stations at your location. How high up is your apartment? Does it have a window facing the river and if so did you try putting your Leaf on it?

Have you asked your neighbors if they get OTA reception? Does your audio receiver get any AM or FM reception?

I am going to assume that you have run your digital tuner's channel scan multiple times. If it finds nothing I would manually add the following channels:

WLWT - channel 35
WCPO - channel 22
WKRC - channel 12
WXIX - channel 29
WCET - channel 34
KET - channel 24

Use your tuner's signal meter, if it has one, to look at signal strength and quality for each channel. It should report some level of signal. Even if something is blocking signals from the Walnut Hills towers there are also signals from Clifton Heights and KET is actually behind you. Unless your building is impervious to all radio frequencies you should be able to tune in something.
Seriously, I run the auto scanner and it finds 0 channels to program. When I manually go to the channels (I usually try 29 since I think it's closest or at least one of the closest) and check the strength, it's at 0. As I said, I used to get "some" reception. I know I used to get 29. I'll do some more thorough checking when I get home. I'm pretty sure I checked that once before as I couldn't believe I wasn't getting any reception either.

I also have a tuner card in my PC and I get the same results with it, so I know it's not some weird thing with my TV tuner.

My apartment is on the first floor and does have windows that face the river. I did try putting my Leaf in the window.

I haven't checked with my neighbors, they all have cable/satellite. Still, it wouldn't hurt to ask.

I didn't think to check for AM/FM reception since I don't listen to the radio these days. I'll check that out too.
gerhard911's Avatar gerhard911 09:11 AM 10-01-2013
Make sure your tuner is set to ATSC mode for broadcast signals (as opposed to QAM mode for cable TV). If so, and with what you have described I have to suspect your digital tuner is broken.
Fix Me's Avatar Fix Me 10:32 AM 10-01-2013
I wondered the same thing, which is why I tried the tuner card I already had in my PC. I got the same results, so I don't think it's a tuner problem. I'll double check the ATSC setting though.
Fix Me's Avatar Fix Me 03:56 PM 10-02-2013
Alright, so I tried the tuner in my PC again and I get reception with the antenna I bought. I'm not sure what I did differently (maybe I didn't have the Leaf positioned correctly the last time I tried). So, I'm near positive the digital tuner in my Samsung is shot. I still get no channel reception with the TV's tuner. As the PC is connected to my Samsung, this solution works fine for me, so I'll just watch TV that way. smile.gif
gerhard911's Avatar gerhard911 04:06 PM 10-02-2013
Glad you found a way to get reception!
Nitewatchman's Avatar Nitewatchman 06:08 PM 10-16-2013
Just a quick note, noticed WCPO recently added Mobile DTV stream .... at least presumably, as I'm just looking at their TS with TS reader, not anything that can actually decode the M/H streams ....

Also, for those looking for when(if?) LICENSED Class A station WOTH-CD 20 ever comes on air, note co channel WLWD-LD 20 Dayton(Daystar) has just flash cut to digital ...

This co-channel situation may be a little more of an issue for some vs when WLWD was analog, because the old (analog) site was well NE of Dayton, Near Springfield, but the digital transmitter is at Dayton antenna farm ..... for example, I'm nearly (but not quite) getting a lock on WLWD-LD with my XG91 aimed towards Cincinnati, aiming to towards dayton gives me a quite decent signal from WLWD-LD (now only 13 miles from me, vs 39 miles when they were analog) even though their directional antenna pattern should only be squirting about 18 Watts ERP in my direction ....
microbob's Avatar microbob 08:57 PM 10-16-2013
A few years ago Elliot Block was wanting to sell his station. Also wasn't there a CP for CH 19? How long do they have until they are forced to move off of CH 47?
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