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12-3 is up and running now. It was already on the Tivo, just had to select the channel box. It will probably be a while before the program guide updates.

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12.3 is live! In 480i 16:9... squished vertically for this SIUE at APSU game. There's a "WKRC-3" watermark in the upper-right hand corner in the black bar. Hopefully they'll fix the aspect ratio soon!
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can definately tell they arn't giving the channel much bandwidth. fast motion scenes look terrible on the 12" tv in the kitchen. I can't even imagine what it looks like on my 40" sony.
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can definately tell they arn't giving the channel much bandwidth. fast motion scenes look terrible on the 12" tv in the kitchen. I can't even imagine what it looks like on my 40" sony.
The Picture is definitely SD quality but it's better than what I thought it was going to be. I think they are running variable bandwidth so depending on what's running on the main channel then the other two sub channels are allocated more or less bandwidth.

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Happy New Year....I'm a fan of ASN nothing like a college sports network for small schools tapping into the Cincinnati market
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Ch. 2 in Dayton is running commercials announcing the Justice Channel is coming monday to ch. 2-3.
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12.3 is live! In 480i 16:9... squished vertically for this SIUE at APSU game. There's a "WKRC-3" watermark in the upper-right hand corner in the black bar. Hopefully they'll fix the aspect ratio soon!
12.3 and 9.3 are both still unwatchable. I wish the stations would fix the stretch-o-vision.
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12.3 and 9.3 are both still unwatchable. I wish the stations would fix the stretch-o-vision.
I talked the chief engineer at channel 9 yesterday about the issue you are also experiencing with 9.3.

he narrowed it down to my tivo dvr.
Channel 9.3 and 12.3 are fine in 4 x 3 format (not stretched) if I use the tv's tuner.

he suggested I check the video output settings and see if that fixes my problem.

the settings for a hdtv should be for 16 x 9 output with bars on the side. that setting should allow the non hi def.channels like 9.3 to show in 4 x3 in the center of the screen and not be stretched.

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LOL, although its way past being funny at this point ...... MPEG2 720x480 video can be flagged as 16x9 or 4x3. WCPO is sending what is actually 4x3 video improperly flagged as 16x9 on 9.3 ....

Similar to DVD players(and any commerical DVD I've ever seen since what -----... 1999? ---- has had this "flag" set correctly for the included content) which "adjust" the video signal(such as add letterboxing for a 4x3 set for 16x9 so called "anamorphic" content) --- according to a menu setup option you set regarding whether your display device is 4x3 or 16x9 aspect ratio ----- most modern TV's /etc have a "set by program"(or called something similar/etc) feature which displays content in its proper aspect ratio on the TV screen AS LONG AS THE PROVIDER(In this case broadcast station) SENDS THE PROPER MPEG2 Metadata (i.e. "flagged- technically an "MPEG2 Descriptor") as 4x3 or 16x9) CORRECTLY .....


WKRC 12.3 is the same story at present(4x3 video flagged as 16x9)--- It seems a little "different" because of the letterbox bars they are adding(which are encoded information - that's what makes it "really" 4x3 currently), not something that is added by your tv) .....Or to look at it another way If the letterboxing was gone, it would of course be "proper" 16x9 currently, as it is whenever WKEF runs ASN programming on one of their subs ....

Of course the rest of the area Sinclair operated stations send a 16x9 flag on their SD subchannels, but manage to do it correctly when what is 4x3 content is airing by inserting(i.e. "squeezing in") pillarbars(which is encoded picture information in this case) on the sides ... this allows them to run actual 16x9 content(properly and without letterboxing) on those channels properly (as long as they "remove" the pillarbars during the actual 16x9 content they have during 4x3 content - of course, this is likely done automatically) ......

update: Of course, conversly WDYC 36.2 is sending 16x9 video flagged as 4x3 (thus, tv's with a "set by program" feature will "squeeze" in pillarbars on the sides, making for distorted video .....

And amazingly, problems with this very simple issue are not limited to local broadcast TV stations .. for example Dish Network (SD) channels 279 and 280 are "actual" 16x9 SD video(280 has been like that for several years)with no letterboxing added -- Try displaying that properly with say a Dish 311 receiver and a 4x3 TV!!!(on a 16x9 TV all one has to do is "stretch it" to fit the entire screen - same deal with WDYC broadcast station 36.2 mentioned above) ..... I'm not sure how many Dish subs cares about SD RT or CCTV English, but .....

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