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post #211 of 14421 Old 12-08-2003, 11:32 AM
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Jeff..
WKRC-DT DID have the KC HD game... for a while. Someone caught the error around the end of the first quarter and switched it over. Good thing, since it took me that long to track down what was causing me to lose ONLY Transponder 1 on DirecTV's 101 bird (the one where the CBS HD ST game is located). The usual suspect: loose connection.

I've noticed that on CBS "doubleheader" days, they drag a lot of markets into "bonus coverage" of other games and get them all synched up. In the old days (when I used to watch this stuff off of C-band feeds) they'd have a dozen different primetime feeds going - one for each NFL market that ran past 7PM. By grouping them together, it lessens the number of Primetime feeds and allows the HD feed to reach the largest chunk of the country. I've also noticed that markets falling under the weird NFL "home game" rule are brought into a late game at 7PM, anyway, just to sync up another market. I'm sure that'll end when they have more than one transponder for net-to-affiliate HD .

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The answer you gave for why KET2 and 4 simulcast is right on.. The problem is getting a proper decoder at the WKMJ transmitter site. All of the "professional" units have a fit when the stream changes from SD to HD and Back. ( They look real ugly) plus there is an issue with closed captions as HD captions are not backward compatible with NTSC captions....

I'm looking for a better decoder but haven't been able to find one yet..
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William,

Also on another matter Concerning EIA-708 digital captions which I have an issue with on one of my recievers : RCA DTC-100 here does the EIA-608 "analog" captions from all the area Digital stations just fine, but the Zenith Box (HDV420) I have only does EIA-708 captions, and my understanding is, it only works if some sort of pointer or something via PSIP maps CC data the way the receiver wants to see it.

The only station I've seen EIA-708 captioning work with on the HDV420 is WLWT-DT. Now, it does give me the option to turn on or off "English1"/etc. CC on WCVN-DT, WCET-DT and sometimes WPTD-DT but no captions are actually displayed from any of those stations if I turn it on. For all the other stations I've seen(except WLWT-DT), when I press the "CC" button, it just says "This feature is not available".

There was a thread in the Hardware area over the summer concerning HDV420+captioning, but I can't find it now. There is some interesting info on these sorts of digital caption problems. in the following thread :

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...91#post2841991

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I'm awaiting an encoder software upgrade to add 708 caption support to the encoders. ( it was due Nov 17th).
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Of course, programming/movies can be upconverted too, I don't know what HDNet movies does, but I do know that I had read "Hogan's Heroes" on HDNet was "supposed to be" HD.(Film transferred to HD).

It's definitely transferred from film.

It is also definitely not OAR.
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post #216 of 14421 Old 12-09-2003, 10:01 AM - Thread Starter
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Good News!

At 12pm, WLWT-DT Radar (5-2) Has disappeared :-)

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Enjoy it while it lasts!!

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I've been away from the Forum for awhile and now I'm having trouble getting the search to work, so forgive me if this question is a repeat: Has WXIX's 29-2 stopped being broadcast? Is it intermittent? It used to come in as 19-2 and it seems to have dropped from my Hughes e-86 guide for good. I can't get it back by manually tuning to 29-2 or 19-2.
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They dropped it some months ago. We've got our fingers crossed that it stays that way. As little effort as they like to put into it, I'm sure hooking up and maintaining a second channel will be more than they'll want to bother with unless there's a substantial amount of money involved.

Aside from that, they had transmitter troubles last week, they're still only on the air 12 hours a day with it and you still gotta call 'em to fix the weirdscreen or the sound periodically. All that aside, when they get it right, it still looks pretty darn good as Fox affiliates go.

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Thanks Dr Don, I thought so. But I has also thought I saw 29-2 come back from time to time over the past few months. Perhaps they were just testing. I'll just stop looking for it.
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You might ask Jeff, but I think when they have their PSIP remap function turned off, the station comes up as 29-2. At that time, there is no 29-1. With the remapping on, it's 19-1. Still the main channel and still full 19mb/s

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I haven't seen the old SD sub - 29-3(19-2) in a long time -- It was last winter or Early spring when they last had programming and the receiver showed a "lock" on it, if I recall correctly. It "hung there" as a place holder after that on one of my reciever's for a long time after that, but without actually being used(no programming), but it was finally, thankfully gone completely sometime over the summer.

The DTC-100 here has allways seen the single 1080i service(well, unconverted from 480i/p) as 29-2 (with the channel remapping turned off on the receiver) - No 29-1 -- It saw the Old 2nd, SD sub as 29-3, hopefully it will never see it again ... It sees 19.1 remapped for the main channel --- I can't really tell what the non-remapped version is on the zenith box, as it just shows 19.1, even if I just tune "manually" to 19 (Its a ATSC only receiver), or 29.

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Found the HD-one Movie for the month ... "Scrooged" w/Bill Murray currently showing in HD on WKRC-DT ...

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Per the announcement under the HDTV Programming section:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...hreadid=339309


I added the following comments in that section but thought I'd post here as well for our greater Cincinnati area folks -

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Speaking to a TW - Cincinnati rep right now. States these new channels - HD Net and HD Net Movies - will be online Dec 30th. Beautiful! (Cinci TW already offers the InHD and InHD2 movies)

ESPN-HD is a national carriage issue as TW is yet to pony up the $$ to ESPN to carry this HD signal. All I can say to that, is bummer as an HD Sunday night football game would wrap up my weekend rather nicely - Hopefully next year. I did ask about the status of this ESPN HD issue, and in conjuction with the HD Net announcement, TW stated it is still working with ESPN and hopes to be able to offer this channel in the near future. In other words, don't hold your breath.

The TW rep also stated that on Dec 30th, they will also start carrying 2 InDemand PPV channels that will be offering HD content. Beautiful!!

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WSTR-DT probably needs to reboot something. they are in "Blank Screen" mode, at least since 7pm this evening. Plenty of signal here as usual, but neither receiver here will lock.

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Noticed it, too. Figured it'd be back by now. Anybody call 'em?

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They just fixed it(sort of) as I was getting ready to send them and sinclair a note -- PSIP lock at 12:24pm, Video at 12:25pm -- No audio still though .. I was of course also hoping for a miracle that it would be something other than 480i ....

update: hmmm, might be just me, (especially as I'm looking at the DT on a 17" PC monitor at 480p), but the Video looks better than usual ... I'm not seeing the familiar rolling bars on the analog or the DT presently ...

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Update #2: On other matters :

#1) Noticed that WPTD-DT fixed the Audio(it's no longer single channel audio!) on ThinkDTV14 about a week or so ago(Thanks Charles+ThinkTV folks!).

#2) Noticed that WCET-DT now has HD scheduled every night now through the rest of December --- Lets hope they keep in up in the future ... I did notice they missed some HD as scheduled last week, but all seems well(except for the compression artifacts of course) the past couple of nights .. There was even a "PBS HD" Channel promo last night I caught for the first time that was pretty cool ... Here's the rest of this months' WCET-DT HD/PBS Widescreen Schedule:

http://www.cetconnect.org/television...date=thismonth

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Jeff..
It's not just you. The video DOES appear sharper. Sound is back as of 5:40pm, although I don't know when it came back. Wasn't on during "Scooby Doo." I'm sharing too much, again, aren't I?

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LOL! Audio fixed at 4:30pm -- I definitely noticed it as I didn't realize how high I had the audio amp turned up ... Lost video for a few minutes before that, then it came back with video ..

And Yeah, Just checked it on all 3 monitors(on integrated HDTV upconverted to 540p, PC monitor at 480p out from STB, and POTV at 480i), and the SD video from WSTR-DT looks absolutely excellent(for SD), much better than the composite video from the analog(which looks fine too, now). Hope it stays that way!

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Jeff..
I swear they were driving that thing using little more than the composite-output of a broadcast quality NTSC receiver. In other words, feeding a transmitter with an off-air analog monitor. The black level was the giveaway. It now looks like it's patched into the NTSC out from the master switching console.

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Now that I have WB feed from WSTR-DT/WBDT-DT for comparison --- WBDT-DT's SD still seems to look better --- Part of it(probably most of it) is differing black levels, which is something that has allways driven me nuts. Haven't seen it be a problem with HD, but has allways been the case that it seems a bit different from quite a few stations in the area ..

I see WCET-DT must be having some PSIP problems .. I must have jinxed it, earlier ... No 48-1 or HD showing up, No A/V or PSIP "lock" on 48-4+48-5, but they are there as "placeholders"(which hasn't been the case lately when they are in "HD mode"). Weather bugs in cincy(but not Dayton so far) an "HD issue" tonight too it looks like ...

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Hi gang,

Bought a Hughes HTL-HD this weekend so I could move the E86 upstairs and turn of the Samsung T150 and an older Hughes D* box. No 19-1 on either box since yesterday at 5:30 when I got it all hooked up. Are they having transmitter problems again, or is it just me?

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WSTR-DT is up. But I think you're referring to WXIX-DT. 19-1 is "broke." As of noon, yesterday, someone was "looking at it." I reached someone who actually watches the thing, for a change. She said, "I've never seen anything that breaks so much in all of my life. And it's new. You'd think there'd be a warranty or something."

In any event, it's once again down with no rta in sight.

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Thanks DrDon,

I was indeed asking about Fox 19-1 WXIX - Still no joy in Amelia with WSTR-DT, but I keep trying; must have those call letters on the brain.

Glad it's the channel 19 folks and not me :-)

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I'm from Hazlet, NJ and for the first time I'm getting WLIW-DT PBS HD on channel 21-1 and the picture quality is jaw dropping at 16:9 1080i! Is anybody else getting this channel? I'm using the Zenith Silver Sensor hooked up to the LG 3100A.

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Jeff might if the weather's right, but you're in the Cincinnati thread. Ohio. Piece of a haul from Jersey. But thanks for asking. We did see some of the WLIW-originated programming when the PBS-HD demo loop was running, locally. It is jaw dropping. But our PBS stations all run subchannels, now, so it's not quite as jaw-dropping as it was.

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Well, WXIX-DT came back on for all of three seconds around 12:45pm, today (12/24), then went right back off. Not sure if that means they're working on it, but one would hope so.

Odd. Happened again at 1:45 for about 5 seconds. Guess I'll tune in again at 2:45 and see what happens.

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I've recently happened across WSTR's news program. That that bad really. None of the personality of Fox19, but then again, since I can't tune in WXIX-DT, I'm pretty glad there's a 10PM alternative. Main reason for noting this is - WOW I've never seen better looking SD than on WSTR!

Still, it'd be quite nice if they had WB-HD programming.
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Have you written them?

Their promotions person was amazed to know anyone had a set. According to him, I was the first person he'd met who owned one. He said his station's research estimated the number of sets in Cincinnati to be "in the single digits."

Until they hear otherwise, they'll continue to assume that. In other words: no HD.

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WXIX-DT is on the air at 1pm ....

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