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post #7231 of 7251 Unread 02-08-2016, 07:42 PM
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Hello Paul,
Your observation is interesting as all season long I have watched WFSB NFL Games on Comcast cable and see junk in the picture. Can you describe what you are seeing. Is it for instance kind of a Venetian blind effect? Does the field grass look all blurred, especially when the camera moves?
I do see fuzzy grass until the picture settles. The confetti was just yellow fuzz. Mostly it looks bit starved. I believe it's called macroblock.
I can see the same thing during the Price is Right. Again there's a lot of high contrast and fast motion.
I turned off all the noise reduction and other video enhancement settings too.
Unfortunately none of my TVs show the bit rate they're receiving.

It still beats spending $5,000 for a game ticket and dealing with all the security hassles.

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I recorded Super Bowl L via antenna. I also noticed the picture faults you mentioned. Should they drop channel 3-4 and make their Fairfield County feed cable-only? Take that bandwidth and put it back on channel 3-1.

Also, is anybody else getting a blank black screen with WTNH-TV channel 8-2 (Bounce) and 8-3 (WTNH-SD, which is a huge waste anyways)?
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I do see fuzzy grass until the picture settles. The confetti was just yellow fuzz. Mostly it looks bit starved. I believe it's called macroblock.
I can see the same thing during the Price is Right. Again there's a lot of high contrast and fast motion.
I turned off all the noise reduction and other video enhancement settings too.
Unfortunately none of my TVs show the bit rate they're receiving.

It still beats spending $5,000 for a game ticket and dealing with all the security hassles.
I have been recording WFSB games (Comcast, not antenna) from time to time to read the bit rate. Often around 12 which I am told is really low. ESPN 17-18. One time a game was broadcast on both ABC and ESPN simultaneously so I recorded and measured both. Neither was high but ESPN was about 25% better bit rate. Not sure why the locals can't put out any quality signals, but something is really, really wrong with them. I go up to the stix in VT and they even have way better.
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Do you mean you went up to Vermont and checked what their stations offered with picture quality?

Are you able to see these same numbers when checking the station's over-the-air signal as well?
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I have been recording WFSB games (Comcast, not antenna) from time to time to read the bit rate. Often around 12 which I am told is really low. ESPN 17-18. One time a game was broadcast on both ABC and ESPN simultaneously so I recorded and measured both. Neither was high but ESPN was about 25% better bit rate. Not sure why the locals can't put out any quality signals, but something is really, really wrong with them. I go up to the stix in VT and they even have way better.
Too many subchannels. ESPN requires a certain bitrate by contract, few other channels have the leverage, and if all channels did that, we'd just have fewer HD channels, as Comcast isn't willing to invest in the TV side of their network to use SDV and rebuild plants.
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Too many subchannels. ESPN requires a certain bitrate by contract, few other channels have the leverage, and if all channels did that, we'd just have fewer HD channels, as Comcast isn't willing to invest in the TV side of their network to use SDV and rebuild plants.
The problem may start further up the line. Another poster has complained that OTA signal for WFSB is full of junk also,so this may be a station or it's network feed problem.
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Do you mean you went up to Vermont and checked what their stations offered with picture quality?

Are you able to see these same numbers when checking the station's over-the-air signal as well?
No, in Vermont I just did an eyeball test about 3 feet away from set. Up there clear as a bell, my signal here just falls apart at that distance, blurry etc.
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JUSTICE NOW ON 59-3


My tuner put an advisory box on the screen earlier today indicating that it had found a new service. New Haven's WCTX has added the network Justice to sub-channel 59-3.


WRNT eliminated the secondary channel that showed infomercials on December 1st. There is now just the main channel, 48-1. Analog channel 34 in Springfield, owned by the same company, replaced the infomercials that it had been airing with the AMGTV network on that same day.
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The problem may start further up the line. Another poster has complained that OTA signal for WFSB is full of junk also,so this may be a station or it's network feed problem.
They either dropped a subchannel or improved their encoding, so it went from bad to noticeably less bad but still bad. I'm on Comcast, but they are passing through bit for bit, re-modulating 2 ATSC-8VSB channels to one ATSC-QAM channel.
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New Haven/New London stations in Rocky Hill

Hi guys, new to the OTA scene and trying to figure out what's best here...

I'm in a first floor condo (converted apartment) in Rocky Hill close to Wethersfield, so far I've tried two indoor antennas that are listed as having a 50 mile range with just about the same results. WFSB, WVIT, WEDH, WCCT, WTIC and WUVN come in very well and look great however I've had no luck with WTNH, WHPX or WCTX.

Am I pretty much out of luck with picking up the New Haven and New London stations? Not a deal breaker but I don't think I need a 50 mile antenna if there's no real hope of picking those up.

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Channel 8 (ABC) and 59 (MY) both transmit from Madmere Mountain in Hamden. I actually get channel 26 (ION) better than 18 (UNI)...and I'm in New Britain. I had to find a "sweet spot" to make channel 8 come in here. The fact they stayed on VHF (channel 10) doesn't really help.

Anything from Rattlesnake Mountain in Farmington (20, 24, 30 and 61) is automatic for me. I'm only about 4.5 miles from those two gigantic towers with the white blinkers.

Have you tried for Springfield, MA at all? The closest of their stations is WWLP-TV (NBC) channel 22, which is really on channel 11. They transmit from Provin Mountain in Agawam, MA.
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Interesting, Univision 18 comes in perfect for me.

Would a rabbit ears style antenna with both the UHF and VHF rods have a better chance of picking up WTNH then? Or would it be too far away for a simple indoor one like that?

I don't usually watch anything on ABC or MyNetwork but it would be nice to have the option if possible. I did watch "The Flash" from WCCT OTA last night and it was perfect
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You're most likely not going to get WTNH with a UHF antenna. Try an antenna with both, or a VHF antenna and a combiner.
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I highly doubt WTNH-TV channel 8 would do it, but having WCTX-TV (MY) channel 59 as a WTNH subchannel would be nice. That'd be better than the SD channel presently wasting bandwidth on channel 8-3. I've had no luck getting them with any indoor antenna in my second floor living room or old third floor bedroom. A roof antenna isn't happening here, for those who may ask.
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WTXX-TV Springfield Now Digital


A new service appeared today. The former analog low-power station in Springfield, Massachusetts has converted to digital on Channel 34. It is simulcasting the same programming that is on WRNT, Channel 48 in Hartford (the AMGTV network). The only difference is that WRNT has an ID bug of a drawing of a man wearing a fedora. The ID stays on the screen in the lower right corner. WTXX is bug-free (for now).


The contour map on the FCC website shows that WTXX covers a larger area now than it did when it was analog. It reaches south to Hartford, east to Vernon, and west beyond Simsbury. The FCC site indicates that Channel 34 is broadcasting at the maximum level allowed for low-power stations. My tuner assigns it a signal strength of 69, while WRNT in Hartford has a signal strength of 63. At these levels the picture does not break up, but the video on both channels lacks sharpness.
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No dice on a rescan just now in New Britain's south end. I would occasionally get a very weak signal of theirs with the analog. Then again, I consider myself lucky if channel 59 (MY) from New Haven comes in!
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Had my first Tropospheric reception early this morning between 4 and 6AM.

I have a 4 bay whisker antenna I made for fun that's aimed at a distant hill.
My location is not ideal, low elevation, hills to the sides and tall trees to my south but I get pretty good bounced signals off this one hill, for now at least.

The channels I received are all in the negative zone on my TVFool list. I've detected weak signal on some but never a picture.

WPXQ 17 ION Rhode Island - 73 miles distance
WHPX 26 ION - 59 miles
WZME 42 - 43 miles
WCTX 39 - 39 miles Never been able to get a lock on this though I get weak signal.

I also got weak signal but no lock on VHF 9 which I think is WEDN PBS 55 miles away.
and WFTY 23 - 76 miles away on Long Island
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You're correct about WEDN-TV of Norwich using channel 9. WPXQ-TV (ION) channel 69 of Block Island/Providence uses channel 17 for their digital. WHPX-TV of New London transmits from Montville, if that helps.

I finally got a blip from Springfield/Holyoke with digital on Tuesday. WGGB-TV (ABC) channel 40 of Springfield popped in during the early evening. My LG DVD/VCR combo picked up the signal, while my older Sanyo 26" LCD HDTV did not. Doesn't WGGB-TV use channel 22 for their digital signal? (I still haven't received anything from WWLP or WGBY, however.)
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WWLP uses 22 on air while WGBY 57 is located on real channel 22. At least WGGB 40 is truly on channel 40.

I can pull in WWLP with a crude home built Yagi while the other 2 channels have been too weak for me to get a lock on.

There was more Tropo activity late Wed/early Thurs after midnight.
Same channels as before came and went but I picked up weak signals on a bunch of others including 12,13,19,30,34,41,50.

WNAC(12) and WPRI(13) share the same tower in Rehomoth Mass. just outside Providence,RI with WJAR(50) also nearby.

Coverage maps of WLVI (19) and WBZ (30) show stray signal falling just short of here so I think it was signal from those stations too.
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My older Sanyo 26" LCD HDTV picked up a weak signal of WGGB-TV for the first time tonight. I'm not sure of the exact mileage from New Britain's south end to Mount Tom in Holyoke, MA. I doubt they increased their signal at all. I still have received absolutely nothing from either WWLP or WGBY to this day.

The screen caps are from the tuner of my LG DVD/VCR combo. It's slightly newer than the TV and has better sensitivity than the combo does. I have it hooked via an HDMI cable. It full-screens the picture with only minimal distortion.
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There must have been some Tropo happening because WZME came through from 10:45PM to midnight with weak signal on a few others.
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