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alesch1's Avatar alesch1 05:15 AM 11-07-2006
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Originally Posted by lmacmil View Post

Does WSBT ever run the local news or CBS network news in HD? I am watching via Comcast. WNDU runs both local and national news in HD.

WSBT has never had local news in HD AFAIK. WNDU doesn't have local in HD either, they just stretch the SD.

justalurker's Avatar justalurker 06:23 AM 11-07-2006
Yep. WNDU says they do that because people prefer that the full screen is filled ... but it also confuses viewers to believe that EVERYTHING is in HD even when a lot isn't.
alesch1's Avatar alesch1 10:56 AM 11-07-2006
WNDU also seems to have the most trouble remembering to flip the switch to HD.
lmacmil's Avatar lmacmil 02:21 PM 11-07-2006
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Originally Posted by alesch1 View Post

WNDU doesn't have local in HD either, they just stretch the SD.

It doesn't seem to look as distorted as when I use the TV to stretch an SD program. Looks a little sharper on the digital channel vs the analog but upon closer examination, it doesn't look HD sharp.
hvs10trk's Avatar hvs10trk 08:10 PM 11-07-2006
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Originally Posted by lmacmil View Post

It doesn't seem to look as distorted as when I use the TV to stretch an SD program. Looks a little sharper on the digital channel vs the analog but upon closer examination, it doesn't look HD sharp.

Don't quote me on their usage but theres more than 4:3 crop and 16:9 stretch. I forget the "proper name" but its a strech and starts at the center of the screen. As you get closer to the edges it stretches more. TNT HD uses it for upconversion.
justalurker's Avatar justalurker 09:53 PM 11-07-2006
I believe that WNDU's stretch is equal. There is a crop at the top and bottom of the screen (not enough to lose on screen titles and scrolls used in news - more off the top than the bottom). They have it stretched it wider than exact proportional. I don't see the fisheye effect that stretching the outsides more than the middle would cause.

My best estimate is that they are cropping the image 6% top and bottom (4% at the top, 2% at the bottom) and stretching it 16% wider than needed to "maintain aspect ratio". See the images below ...
#1 is the "HD" signal (SD upconverted to HD due to election coverage).
#2 is the "SD" signal as displayed proportionally on a wide screen.
#3 is #2 stretched maintaining aspect ratio 6% then stretched width only 16%.
(#3 has #1 overlaid on it as an animated GIF and the overall image is cropped for width due to AVSForum limitations)

#3 is the most telling ... #1 and two are the raw captures off of the SD output of my receiver for those who want to do their own stretching.
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donrb5's Avatar donrb5 08:43 PM 11-08-2006
Does anyone else have the problem where when you leave the Comcast HD DVR on channel 189 the box eventually locks up?

I have two friends that have the same problem.
lmacmil's Avatar lmacmil 04:23 AM 11-09-2006
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Originally Posted by donrb5 View Post

Does anyone else have the problem where when you leave the Comcast HD DVR on channel 189 the box eventually locks up?

My 3416 has locked up twice in the last week. Not sure what channel it was one but definitely one of the locals, mostly likely 188 or 189. Both times there was an image frozen on the screen but the audio was from whatever program was on. Had to unplug it to reset. One more time and it's going back for a different one but perhaps it's not just my unit.

What firmware are you on? Mine is 12.31 which is far from the latest.
Dakanez's Avatar Dakanez 04:36 PM 11-11-2006
What is up with ABC 57 not getting a signal right now any reason why ?
justalurker's Avatar justalurker 07:54 PM 11-11-2006
Hmmm ... looks like something else for the Monday morning meeting.
Still out. The other two LPs (25 and 69) are on the air.
hvs10trk's Avatar hvs10trk 08:38 PM 11-11-2006
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Hmmm ... looks like something else for the Monday morning meeting.
Still out. The other two LPs (25 and 69) are on the air.

Couldn't be the transmitter, we have an AUX. Hmmmmm.....I didnt get any phone calls either. Yep, guess I'll find out Monday Morning.
hvs10trk's Avatar hvs10trk 08:47 PM 11-11-2006
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Hmmm ... looks like something else for the Monday morning meeting.
Still out. The other two LPs (25 and 69) are on the air.

Don't want to email the boss now. I'll get the scoop in the morning.
justalurker's Avatar justalurker 11:19 PM 11-11-2006
FYI: You're still off the air ... no signal just static ... on WBND 57.
25 and 69 still working fine.
lmacmil's Avatar lmacmil 06:31 AM 11-12-2006
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Does anyone else have the problem where when you leave the Comcast HD DVR on channel 189 the box eventually locks up?

After the Fla-SC game (on WSBT ch 189) we went to the movies (Borat-very funny) and when we got back 2 hrs later, the DVR was locked up. Guess I won't leave it on that channel anymore.
Foxbat's Avatar Foxbat 10:45 AM 11-12-2006
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Couldn't be the transmitter, we have an AUX. Hmmmmm.....I didnt get any phone calls either. Yep, guess I'll find out Monday Morning.

I don't think it's the link to the transmitter as there's no carrier to tune in like JL noted. What phone number should we call?

I guess I was hoping for a flash-cut to digital operations, but alas, no...
justalurker's Avatar justalurker 10:53 AM 11-12-2006
Still DOA ... DishNetwork is transmitting colorbars (their standard cover video for unreceived signals).
I was thinking power failure when I first saw that it was out, but the other two stations at the same site are on.
hvs10trk's Avatar hvs10trk 11:42 AM 11-12-2006
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I don't think it's the link to the transmitter as there's no carrier to tune in like JL noted. What phone number should we call?

I guess I was hoping for a flash-cut to digital operations, but alas, no...

Won't be a flash cut to digital. They'll be tandem till 2009. No word yet on CP's
hvs10trk's Avatar hvs10trk 11:44 AM 11-12-2006
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Still DOA ... DishNetwork is transmitting colorbars (their standard cover video for unreceived signals).
I was thinking power failure when I first saw that it was out, but the other two stations at the same site are on.

We are probably on our AUX transmitter then. Dish and DirectTV can't get our REALLY LP aux trans. As far as power failure we are protected by a generator. Would only be a 10-20 second glitch while the power switches.
hvs10trk's Avatar hvs10trk 12:01 PM 11-12-2006
Ok here's whats going on. Apparently we have a section of transmission line that shorted. The shorted piece was replaced and they are cleaning the debris out of the remaining line. After all that and sweeping/testing the line it should be back up. ETA.........later tonight but no firm time. Sorry for the lack of ABC for the weekend.
Dakanez's Avatar Dakanez 04:20 PM 11-12-2006
Thank you for looking into it. At least it happened this weekend instead of next week Ohio st vs Mich game....
hvs10trk's Avatar hvs10trk 04:32 PM 11-12-2006
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Thank you for looking into it. At least it happened this weekend instead of next week Ohio st vs Mich game....

Ooooooo.....that's a good game!!!! IDon't know who to root for. (I like 'em both )
justalurker's Avatar justalurker 05:04 PM 11-12-2006
ABC 57 is back at 7:45pm (or so). Congrats. Made it right before prime time!
johnerickson's Avatar johnerickson 09:18 AM 11-13-2006
I currenty get local HD's OTA on my Toshiba HDTV with integrated tuner. If I subscribe to Comcast Digital Cable, will I be able to get local HD's, ESPN-HD and the other HD's included with digital cable with a Comcast cablecard only? (no digital or HD boxes) Isn't the HD box needed only if you have an HD Monitor or HD ready TV?
Thanks to anyone who can help.
alesch1's Avatar alesch1 10:57 AM 11-13-2006
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I currenty get local HD's OTA on my Toshiba HDTV with integrated tuner. If I subscribe to Comcast Digital Cable, will I be able to get local HD's, ESPN-HD and the other HD's included with digital cable with a Comcast cablecard only? (no digital or HD boxes) Isn't the HD box needed only if you have an HD Monitor or HD ready TV?
Thanks to anyone who can help.

I don't have any experience with cablecard, but I understand that cablecard is supposed to let you view any digital channel that you subscribe to on Comcast. You just won't get the onscreen guide, or be able to get ppv or on demand.
johnerickson's Avatar johnerickson 11:09 AM 11-13-2006
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I don't have any experience with cablecard, but I understand that cablecard is supposed to let you view any digital channel that you subscribe to on Comcast. You just won't get the onscreen guide, or be able to get ppv or on demand.

Thanks for your response. I don't care much about ppv or on demand and my TV has TV Guide on Screen from Gemstar, so It appears that I will be all set.
By the way, I would be interested to know if anyone in the South Bend area has TVGOS and what your experience has been with it.
lmacmil's Avatar lmacmil 03:20 PM 11-13-2006
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After the Fla-SC game (on WSBT ch 189) we went to the movies and when we got back 2 hrs later, the DVR was locked up.

Tonight it locked up while we were watching WSBT news. First time it's done it with the TV on and #5 so far. I will swap it out if I ever get caught up on the stuff I've recorded.
HDTVSam26in's Avatar HDTVSam26in 02:50 AM 11-15-2006
From what I have read in other threads, other markets are getting Universal HD.Why arent us in South Bend/Mishawaka? We had the two channels they told the rest of the nation they were removing INHD2 for 3 months before they removed INHD2 (MHD & ESPN2 HD) and they have yet to add a new HD channel despite the bandwidth they opened up by removing that excelent channel! So in order for us to get any new HD channels we need to flood them with calls and e-mails with requests of the channels we want them to add.I would like to see them add National Geographic HD, FSN HD , NFL Net HD , A&E HD, Food Net HD, HGTV HD, Universal HD , and SD classic cartoon network Boomerang.They need to hear what we want! So please do us all a favor and drop them a e-mail or a ring! Oh if a miracle should ever occur I want HDnet and HDnet movies ;-)
Mike Lang's Avatar Mike Lang 09:44 AM 11-15-2006
South Bend Comcast is the devil! Remember that last week while anyone who had a dish got the ND/AF game for free, Comcast in South Bend didn't even offer it. Even the Comcast customers in Fort Wayne & Indi got it, but not the hometown crowd.
Foxbat's Avatar Foxbat 08:14 PM 11-15-2006
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South Bend Comcast is the devil!

I won't argue with that...
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Remember that last week while anyone who had a dish got the ND/AF game for free, Comcast in South Bend didn't even offer it.

Not completely true: I believe that Dish and DirecTV customers have to subscribe to a mid-range or better tier to get CSTV. Not exactly "free"
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Even the Comcast customers in Fort Wayne & Indi got it, but not the hometown crowd.

We invited some of our ND friends that have Comcast over to watch CSTV on our dish; they brought pizza; we called it even and everybody had a great time.
Mike Lang's Avatar Mike Lang 02:06 PM 11-16-2006
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Not completely true: I believe that Dish and DirecTV customers have to subscribe to a mid-range or better tier to get CSTV. Not exactly "free"

It was exactly free to all Dish & Directv customers. CSTV gave a free preview weekend to participating cable/sat services. Directv & Dish turned it on nationally as did Comcast FW & Indi...just not South Bend. Like most, I don't normally get CSTV, but I got it for free last weekend.
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