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post #4261 of 4510 Old 04-27-2010, 08:02 PM
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Welcome Back trbarry -- anyway WAWS according to my HDHR is at 63.2 and ABC is at 66.6 - I just noticed that vebix posted with all the new locals. Most likely there is a filter on your line (at the box) that is preventing you from receiving the channels at these frequencies.

Thanks guys. I don't even know how on the HDHR to specify a channel it didn't find on the scan. I suppose it's possible. Maybe if I get some time this weekend I'll research it a bit more. There is probably an ini file or a table somewhere.

Since I'm only a broadband + limited basic subscriber it is easily possible I have a couple filters on my line. I have a few other old PCHD cards here that can dial in a specific channel. Maybe I'll try one of those.

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Hey Barry, since you are at the beaches, the comcast upgrade was supposed to happen there a week ago. I don't know if that affects local QAM channels. QAM channels 63-66 are right at the high end of the range the expanded basic filter traps out. Can't remember the exact cutoff, but it's in the upper 60's (from memory).

Also, starting with Win7, you don't use the HDHR utility to set your QAM channels. That's all done in 7MC (or other front end), and you have to manually assign the stations to the channels after the MC setup scan completes. Setup just finds clear frequencies, but doesn't identify most.
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i saw that i was picking up the redzone channel too. my instincts tell me that once football season starts it will go away though.

i could use some advice from you guys though. i live in a condo on the top floor and don't have a balcony. the condo association says thats the only way i can receive sattellite tv since we aren't allowed to put a dish anywhere else. has anyone ever found a way around this? really all i want are my local HD channels back.
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You might see if comcast has a special on digital starter pkg now. It includes removing the trap. It's 29.99 + taxes for 12 months.

UNF is only 3 miles from the towers. Rabbit ears should work fine.
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Hey Barry, since you are at the beaches, the comcast upgrade was supposed to happen there a week ago. I don't know if that affects local QAM channels. QAM channels 63-66 are right at the high end of the range the expanded basic filter traps out. Can't remember the exact cutoff, but it's in the upper 60's (from memory).

Also, starting with Win7, you don't use the HDHR utility to set your QAM channels. That's all done in 7MC (or other front end), and you have to manually assign the stations to the channels after the MC setup scan completes. Setup just finds clear frequencies, but doesn't identify most.


grittree - have you used HDHR's (hdhomerun_wmc_sync.exe) program? after you scan with HDHR's utility - you correct the channel numbers/descriptions and activate you ones you want and then you use hdhomerun_wmc_sync.exe (it is in the program files folder for Silcondust\\hdhomerun). It loads them into Windows 7 media center automatically. I would suggest scanning with media center 7 first though - then run HDHR's programs.

It works pretty well - but so does guide tool - I use them both.

trbarry - you have the trap on your line and with it you won't get the channels in the 60's at least with it one or if they move them again (which I would bet they will not)

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Glad to see silicondust got that program. Last I checked was about 1/2 year ago and they were working on it.

Truth is I only put about 5 cable channels in my guide, just the news outlets. In SD. For entertainment cable shows I get x264s off netnews, and the local stations in HD off antenna.

Gotta love those HDHR guys. If I ever get a cablecard tuner, it will prob be theirs and not Ceton.
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Agree - I have only had their tuner for 3 months - fantastic product.

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grittree - have you used HDHR's (hdhomerun_wmc_sync.exe) program? after you scan with HDHR's utility - you correct the channel numbers/descriptions and activate you ones you want and then you use hdhomerun_wmc_sync.exe (it is in the program files folder for Silcondust\\hdhomerun). It loads them into Windows 7 media center automatically. I would suggest scanning with media center 7 first though - then run HDHR's programs.

It works pretty well - but so does guide tool - I use them both.

trbarry - you have the trap on your line and with it you won't get the channels in the 60's at least with it one or if they move them again (which I would bet they will not)

I don't bother with WMC 7 because the HDHR setup has always worked for me quite well with the CW EPG that I like. I timeshift most everything.

My problem is likely the filters you and others have mentioned. I've meant to call Comcast and complain since I'm supposed to get the network channels even on the limited basic lifeline tier that I subscribe to. And there's not supposed to be an extra charge for HDTV though I suppose there is no law against it and the FCC's ability to regulate Comcast is recently diminished. Either way I'll call them and at least see what their policy is and if all this is on purpose or not. But I just never got around to it yesterday.

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Okay, I finally called Comcast to find out where my HD network channels went. Even after a total of almost 40 minutes on hold confirming the official answer was a lifeline tier limited basic subscriber like myself is no longer eligible to receive network OTA channels in HDTV, even if I have have a digital cable ready TV or various clear QAM PC tuners.

It's really too bad. The FCC used to have a stated policy that lifeline tier customers are entitled to receive the OTA network channels in substantially unimpaired quality. I guess these days that allows the cable companies to downgrade the HD channels to 480i SDTV. Oh, well.

I even tried to cancel my limited basic subscription over this but was told the cheapest 6 mbps broadband subscription without it would be sixty some dollars per month. Since that is more than my current teaser rate even with the limited basic I left it alone for now. I'll cancel in a couple months once my bill goes up.

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Tom, im in the same position you are. You probably already know all about this but i just picked up a UHF antenna from radio shack along with an a/b switch. the antenna is picking up all the locals in HD except ABC. Anyways the a/b switch allows me to switch back and forth between the antenna and cable which isn't so bad especially if you spend the extra money and get the remote controlled a/b switch. anyways i hope this helps.
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i could use some advice from you guys though. i live in a condo on the top floor and don't have a balcony. the condo association says thats the only way i can receive sattellite tv since we aren't allowed to put a dish anywhere else. has anyone ever found a way around this? really all i want are my local HD channels back.

I'd say go read the link I printed out here, then go to your condo association and tell them FCC rule 47 C.F.R. 1.4000 precludes them from dictating most antenna/dish mounting restrictions. Don't expect them to not make a fuss about it, mind you...
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Jazhuis,

I did use your link, and it was helpful but there is a section in that rule that doesn't apply to condos, they cannot restrict you from having one. but they can restrict where you put it, and if there is no where to put it they don't have to provide you with a place to use it. therefore you're screwed.
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Jazhuis,

I did use your link, and it was helpful but there is a section in that rule that doesn't apply to condos, they cannot restrict you from having one. but they can restrict where you put it, and if there is no where to put it they don't have to provide you with a place to use it. therefore you're screwed.

Huh, the law has no exception, especially if they don't have an "approved place".

If they don't provide a place, then you are free to place it on your private balcony, patio, window, etc.

If they do decide to make an "approved place" and it makes quality reception impossible, unreasonable costs or delayed process, it is illegal. You have CASE law in your favor.

Read and print this out:

http://www.fcc.gov/mb/facts/otard.html
http://www.fcc.gov/mb/facts/otard.html#QA

Here's a quote from the second link above:

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Q: I'm a board member of a homeowners' association, and we want to revise our restrictions so that they will comply with the FCC rule. Do you have guidelines you can send me?

A: The Commission does not have sample guidelines because every community is different. We can provide you the rule and the relevant orders, which will give you general guidance. (See list of documents at the end of this Information Sheet. Some communities have written restrictions that provide a prioritized list of placement preferences so that residents can see where the association wants them to install the antenna.

The residents should comply with the placement preferences provided the preferred placement does not impose unreasonable delay or expense or preclude reception of an acceptable quality signal.

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Remember, Federal Law PREMPTS your condo's CCR's and HOA regarding antennas to receive broadcasts.

Inform your HOA that they are breaking the law, and a quick print out of the 1st page of FCC link below and even a call to the FCC will prove that they are breaking the law.

If they fail to yield, take down the association's representative's name & contact info, and call your local FCC office.

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For posterity sake here's selected Q&A's from the FCC, and the entire document as a PDF.

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Q: What types of restrictions are prohibited?

A: The rule prohibits restrictions that impair a person's ability to install, maintain, or use an antenna covered by the rule. The rule applies to state or local laws or regulations, including zoning, land-use or building regulations, private covenants, homeowners' association rules, condominium or cooperative association restrictions, lease restrictions, or similar restrictions on property within the exclusive use or control of the antenna user where the user has an ownership or leasehold interest in the property. A restriction impairs if it: (1) unreasonably delays or prevents use of; (2) unreasonably increases the cost of; or (3) precludes a person from receiving or transmitting an acceptable quality signal from an antenna covered under the rule. The rule does not prohibit legitimate safety restrictions or restrictions designed to preserve designated or eligible historic or prehistoric properties, provided the restriction is no more burdensome than necessary to accomplish the safety or preservation purpose.

Q: What types of restrictions unreasonably delay or prevent viewers from using an antenna? Can an antenna user be required to obtain prior approval before installing his antenna?

A: A local restriction that prohibits all antennas would prevent viewers from receiving signals, and is prohibited by the Commission's rule. Procedural requirements can also unreasonably delay installation, maintenance or use of an antenna covered by this rule. For example, local regulations that require a person to obtain a permit or approval prior to installation create unreasonable delay and are generally prohibited. Permits or prior approval necessary to serve a legitimate safety or historic preservation purpose may be permissible. Although a simple notification process might be permissible, such a process cannot be used as a prior approval requirement and may not delay or increase the cost of installation. The burden is on the association to show that a notification process does not violate our rule.

Q: What is an unreasonable expense?

A: Any requirement to pay a fee to the local authority for a permit to be allowed to install an antenna would be unreasonable because such permits are generally prohibited. It may also be unreasonable for a local government, community association or landlord to require a viewer to incur additional costs associated with installation. Things to consider in determining the reasonableness of any costs imposed include: (1) the cost of the equipment and services, and (2) whether there are similar requirements for comparable objects, such as air conditioning units or trash receptacles. For example, restrictions cannot require that expensive landscaping screen relatively unobtrusive DBS antennas. A requirement to paint an antenna so that it blends into the background against which it is mounted would likely be acceptable, provided it will not interfere with reception or impose unreasonable costs.

Q: What restrictions prevent a viewer from receiving an acceptable quality signal? Can a homeowners association or other restricting entity establish enforceable preferences for antenna locations?

A: For antennas designed to receive analog signals, such as TVBS, a requirement that an antenna be located where reception would be impossible or substantially degraded is prohibited by the rule. However, a regulation requiring that antennas be placed where they are not visible from the street would be permissible if this placement does not prevent reception of an acceptable quality signal or impose unreasonable expense or delay. For example, if installing an antenna in the rear of the house costs significantly more than installation on the side of the house, then such a requirement would be prohibited. If, however, installation in the rear of the house does not impose unreasonable expense or delay or preclude reception of an acceptable quality signal, then the restriction is permissible and the viewer must comply.

The acceptable quality signal standard is different for devices designed to receive digital signals, such as DBS antennas, digital broadband radio service antennas, digital television ("DTV") antennas, and digital fixed wireless antennas. For a digital antenna to receive or transmit an acceptable quality signal, the antenna must be installed where it has an unobstructed, direct view of the satellite or other device from which signals are received or to which signals are to be transmitted. Unlike analog antennas, digital antennas, even in the presence of sufficient over-the-air signal strength, will at times provide no picture or sound unless they are placed and oriented properly.

Q: Can a restriction limit the number of antennas that may be installed at a particular location?

The Commissions rule covers the antennas necessary to receive service. Therefore, a local rule may not, for example, allow only one antenna if more than one antenna is necessary to receive the desired service.


Q: Are all restrictions prohibited?

A: No. Clearly-defined, legitimate safety restrictions are permitted even if they impair installation, maintenance or use provided they are necessary to protect public safety and are no more burdensome than necessary to ensure safety. Examples of valid safety restrictions include fire codes preventing people from installing antennas on fire escapes; restrictions requiring that a person not place an antenna within a certain distance from a power line; and installation requirements that describe the proper method to secure an antenna. The safety reason for the restriction must be written in the text, preamble or legislative history of the restriction, or in a document that is readily available to antenna users, so that a person who wishes to install an antenna knows what restrictions apply. Safety restrictions cannot discriminate between objects that are comparable in size and weight and pose the same or a similar safety risk as the antenna that is being restricted.

Restrictions necessary for historic preservation also may be permitted even if they impair installation, maintenance or use of the antenna. To qualify for this exemption, the property may be any prehistoric or historic district, site, building, structure or object included in, or eligible for inclusion on, the National Register of Historic Places. In addition, restrictions necessary for historic preservation must be no more burdensome than necessary to accomplish the historic preservation goal. They also must be imposed and enforced in a non-discriminatory manner, as compared to other modern structures that are comparable in size and weight and to which local regulation would normally apply.

Q: Whose antenna restrictions are prohibited?

A: The rule applies to restrictions imposed by local governments, including zoning, land-use or building regulations; by homeowner, townhome, condominium or cooperative association rules, including deed restrictions, covenants, by-laws and similar restrictions; and by manufactured housing (mobile home) park owners and landlords, including lease restrictions. The rule only applies to restrictions on property where the viewer has an ownership or leasehold interest and exclusive use or control.

Q: If I live in a condominium or an apartment building, does this rule apply to me?

A: The rule applies to antenna users who live in a multiple dwelling unit building, such as a condominium or apartment building, if the antenna user has an exclusive use area in which to install the antenna. "Exclusive use" means an area of the property that only you, and persons you permit, may enter and use to the exclusion of other residents. For example, your condominium or apartment may include a balcony, terrace, deck or patio that only you can use, and the rule applies to these areas. The rule does not apply to common areas, such as the roof, the hallways, the walkways or the exterior walls of a condominium or apartment building. Restrictions on antennas installed in these common areas are not covered by the Commission's rule. For example, the rule would not apply to restrictions that prevent drilling through the exterior wall of a condominium or rental unit and thus restrictions may prohibit installation that requires such drilling.

Q: Does the rule apply to condominiums or apartment buildings if the antenna is installed so that it hangs over or protrudes beyond the balcony railing or patio wall?

A: No. The rule does not prohibit restrictions on antennas installed beyond the balcony or patio of a condominium or apartment unit if such installation is in, on, or over a common area. An antenna that extends out beyond the balcony or patio is usually considered to be in a common area that is not within the scope of the rule. Therefore, the rule does not apply to a condominium or rental apartment unit unless the antenna is installed wholly within the exclusive use area, such as the balcony or patio.

Q: Does the fact that management or the association has the right to enter these areas mean that the resident does not have exclusive use?

A: No. The fact that the building management or the association may enter an area for the purpose of inspection and/or repair does not mean that the resident does not have exclusive use of that area. Likewise, if the landlord or association regulates other uses of the exclusive use area (e.g., banning grills on balconies), that does not affect the viewer's rights under the Commission's rule. This rule permits persons to install antennas on property over which the person has either exclusive use or exclusive control. Note, too, that nothing in this rule changes the landlord's or association's right to regulate use of exclusive use areas for other purposes. For example, if the lease prohibits antennas and flags on balconies, only the prohibition of antennas is eliminated by this rule; flags would still be prohibited.

Q: Does the rule apply to residents of rental property?

A: Yes. Effective January 22, 1999, renters may install antennas within their leasehold, which means inside the dwelling or on outdoor areas that are part of the tenant's leased space and which are under the exclusive use or control of the tenant. Typically, for apartments, these areas include balconies, balcony railings, and terraces. For rented single family homes or manufactured homes which sit on rented property, these areas include the home itself and patios, yards, gardens or other similar areas. If renters do not have access to these outside areas, the tenant may install the antenna inside the rental unit. Renters are not required to obtain the consent of the landlord prior to installing an antenna in these areas. The rule does not apply to common areas, such as the roof or the exterior walls of an apartment building. Generally, balconies or patios that are shared with other people or are accessible from other units are not considered to be exclusive use areas.

Q: Are there restrictions that may be placed on residents of rental property?

A: Yes. A restriction necessary to prevent damage to leased property may be reasonable. For example, tenants could be prohibited from drilling holes through exterior walls or through the roof. However, a restriction designed to prevent ordinary wear and tear (e.g., marks, scratches, and minor damage to carpets, walls and draperies) would likely not be reasonable provided the antenna is installed wholly within the antenna user's own exclusive use area. In addition, rental property is subject to the same protection and exceptions to the rule as owned property. Thus, a landlord may impose other types of restrictions that do not impair installation, maintenance or use under the rule. The landlord may also impose restrictions necessary for safety or historic preservation.

Q: If I live in a condominium, cooperative, or other type of residence where certain areas have been designated as "common," do these rules apply to me?

A: The rules apply to residents of these types of buildings, but the rules do not permit you to install an antenna on a common area, such as a walkway, hallway, community garden, exterior wall or the roof. However, you may install the antenna wholly within a balcony, deck, patio, or other area where you have exclusive use.

Drilling through an exterior wall, e.g. to run the cable from the patio into the unit, is generally not within the protection of the rule because the exterior wall is generally a common element. You may wish to check with your retailer or installer for advice on how to install the antenna without drilling a hole. Alternatively, your landlord or association may grant permission for you to drill such a hole. The Commission's rules generally do not cover installations if you drill through a common element.

Q: If my association, building management, landlord, or property owner provides a central antenna, may I install an individual antenna?

A: Generally, the availability of a central antenna may allow the association, landlord, property owner, or other management entity to restrict the installation by individuals of antennas otherwise protected by the rule. Restrictions based on the availability of a central antenna will generally be permissible provided that: (1) the person receives the particular video programming or fixed wireless service that the person desires and could receive with an individual antenna covered under the rule (e.g., the person would be entitled to receive service from a specific provider, not simply a provider selected by the association); (2) the signal quality of transmission to and from the person's home using the central antenna is as good as, or better than, the quality the person could receive or transmit with an individual antenna covered by the rule; (3) the costs associated with the use of the central antenna are not greater than the costs of installation, maintenance and use of an individual antenna covered under the rule; and (4) the requirement to use the central antenna instead of an individual antenna does not unreasonably delay the viewer's ability to receive video programming or fixed wireless services.

Q: May the association, landlord, building management or property owner restrict the installation of an individual antenna because a central antenna will be available in the future?

A: It is not the intent of the Commission to deter or unreasonably delay the installation of individual antennas because a central antenna may become available. However, persons could be required to remove individual antennas once a central antenna is available if the cost of removal is paid by the landlord or association and the user is reimbursed for the value of the antenna. Further, an individual who wants video programming or fixed wireless services other than what is available through the central antenna should not be unreasonably delayed in obtaining the desired programming or services either through modifications to the central antenna, installation of an additional central antenna, or by using an individual antenna.

Q: I live in a townhome community. Am I covered by the FCC rule?

A: Yes. If you own the whole townhouse, including the walls and the roof and the land under the building, then the rule applies just as it does for a single family home, and you may be able to put the antenna on the roof, the exterior wall, the backyard or any other place that is part of what you own. If the townhouse is a condominium, then the rule applies as it does for any other type of condominium, which means it applies only where you have an exclusive use area. If it is a condominium townhouse, you probably cannot use the roof, the chimney, or the exterior walls unless the condominium association gives you permission. You may want to check your ownership documents to determine what areas are owned by you or are reserved for your exclusive use.

Q: I live in a condominium with a balcony, but I cannot receive a signal from the satellite because my balcony faces north. Can I use the roof?

A: No. The roof of a condominium is generally a common area, not an area reserved for an individual's exclusive use. If the roof is a common area, you may not use it unless the condominium association gives you permission. The condominium is not obligated to provide a place for you to install an antenna if you do not have an exclusive use area.

 

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Jagfan28,

so if you're on the top-floor, and have no balcony, do you have a window or other exclusive area ?

Can you get an accommodation on the roof, even though it is a "common area" ?

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This is the rule that is preventing me:
Q: If I live in a condominium or an apartment building, does this rule apply to me?

A: The rule applies to antenna users who live in a multiple dwelling unit building, such as a condominium or apartment building, if the antenna user has an exclusive use area in which to install the antenna. "Exclusive use" means an area of the property that only you, and persons you permit, may enter and use to the exclusion of other residents. For example, your condominium or apartment may include a balcony, terrace, deck or patio that only you can use, and the rule applies to these areas. The rule does not apply to common areas, such as the roof, the hallways, the walkways or the exterior walls of a condominium or apartment building. Restrictions on antennas installed in these common areas are not covered by the Commission's rule. For example, the rule would not apply to restrictions that prevent drilling through the exterior wall of a condominium or rental unit and thus restrictions may prohibit installation that requires such drilling.


I am on the top floor, but i don't have a balcony or a window with a southern exposure. they will not allow my to put one on the roof either.
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Hey guys,

I moved from the Northside of town to the Southside. I lived in Riverside and had basic cable (channels 2-99) and have a HTPC with QAM. I would get the basic cable channels plus all the clearQAM local channels plus a few extra. Now that I have moved to a newer side of town, Comcast has blocked all the channels and I am having a hard time picking up anything at all via QAM. I am not even getting a majority of the local channels in HD. I am guessing my options are to ditch cable and go with an antenna, or "upgrade" and get the set top box.

Am I able to get the set top box, then plug that into my HTPC via COAX and get the rest of the channels. Or will getting the set top box unlock the channels so I can use the HTPC and then just not use the box?

I know I can go with a cablecard, but right now there are not many options for a custom made HTPC, and the InfiniTV 4 looks like it will be a little out of my price range. I guess I could get an external cablecard tuner, correct?

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Your first problem is likely just the way your tuner works. For example, to get WJXX-DT you might get it on 66-6 (where it really is) or you might have to tune the virtual channel of 1-6 Which can change anytime. And then use channel up and down because there might be a few stations mapped to 1-6.

On using the STB feeding an HTPC, that won't work. Except for using a rf output feeding an analog tuner on the PC. SD only of course.

I don't think there is any external cablecard tuner now. The $250 HDHR is year end and I don't know what Ceton plans.
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Awesome. WAWS isn't giving us the Champions League final in HD.

Your network spends millions upon millions to present this first-ever broadcast, and you guys can't be bothered to flip whatever switch makes it HD.

It switched to HD about 45 minutes into the broadcast... but now it's time for the Fox baseball game of the week... and it's not in HD.

Seriously, how stupid are they over there? Why is anything ever NOT in HD?
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Get a cable box and use firewire. That's what I do, though I get plenty of stuff in QAM as well (read a page or two earlier in the thread)
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Got the "World of More" upgrade here on the Westside yesterday, looks like Comcast is sticking to the rollout schedule that was posted earlier this year.
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Hey guys,

I moved from the Northside of town to the Southside. I lived in Riverside and had basic cable (channels 2-99) and have a HTPC with QAM. I would get the basic cable channels plus all the clearQAM local channels plus a few extra. Now that I have moved to a newer side of town, Comcast has blocked all the channels and I am having a hard time picking up anything at all via QAM. I am not even getting a majority of the local channels in HD. I am guessing my options are to ditch cable and go with an antenna, or "upgrade" and get the set top box.

Am I able to get the set top box, then plug that into my HTPC via COAX and get the rest of the channels. Or will getting the set top box unlock the channels so I can use the HTPC and then just not use the box?

I know I can go with a cablecard, but right now there are not many options for a custom made HTPC, and the InfiniTV 4 looks like it will be a little out of my price range. I guess I could get an external cablecard tuner, correct?

Thanks

As I posted above a few weeks ago I had a similar problem here in Atlantic Beach. As a limited basic subscriber I'd previously gotten all the network channels in clear QAM HD. Then, in the middle of April they went away and only the SD versions were available. This was not because the HD versions were encrypted but because Comcast moved them to numbers in the 60's where a limited basic customer has filters and so can't get them.

I was going to cancel Comcast when my 6 month teaser rate ran out but instead they offered me another deal. I am still a limited basic user but also rent one of their HD STB's for a few $$'s more per month. In order to make this work with the HD channels they have to remove those filters that screen out channels 63-66. Once the filters are gone I can receive the HD channels on my PC and digital cable ready TV's again.

So I don't even have the box hooked up (it takes 500W) but I have to keep renting it or I'm told they will likely put the filters back on. It sits unplugged on a shelf here.

As part of the deal Comcast has extended my teaser rate for another 6 months. At the end of that time the box will become prohibitively expensive and I suppose I'll have to cancel cable again but this at least allows me to procrastinate for awhile until I find an alternative.

I still don't really think Comcast should be charging extra for network channels in HD but this is at least a temporary solution.

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I am in Savannah, and I'm wondering if ya'll got your new allotment of HD channels for Xfinity before you got the DTA's, because they said we are supposed to get 30 new HD channels this summer but they haven't sent out DTA's. We also have the same channel numbers for the same stations as you do - 403=ESPNHD, etc.
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WAWS is a complete disaster today. No HD, and a completely scrambled or nonexistent picture. Identical on both antenna and cable so it's pretty obvious they're screwing around with something and ruining our Saturday baseball yet again.

Edit: and now we see a glimpse of the Cardinals game? Does anyone over there know what they're doing?
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I've lost all of my locals on comcast qam
I have the most basic Comcast package for TV, just so they will allow me to get internet. I will not pay any more to these criminals for locals, and I already have D*. I just want to have the luxury of recording some shows on my PC. If they can't provide something everyone else does, that is just absurd. I find it humorous though that they give me A&E, HGTV, and Paladia(something I even pay extra for on D* in their HD extra pack) but can't provide measly networks.

I guess I'm going to have to pull out my antenna and hope to get decent signals. If it makes any difference, I'm in fleming island
according to my bill, I pay for 'Basic TV'
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comcast chat provided this gem:
Thank you for waiting. Yes, you should be getting at least the local HD channels in your area. This may be a signal problem and the best possible solution is for me to schedule a technician to your place. Will this be alright?

I'm going to try and get one of those free DTA boxes and see if that fixes anything. I doubt it though since it bypasses the QAM tuner I believe
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DTA - will not give you HD. As mentioned before in this thread the HD clear QAM locals have been moved to an area blocked by the filters placed on people with basic only. trbarry has indicated that the solution (see his previous post just above - it will be expensive though in the end) that you will have to get their HD box (not DTA - and you don't have to use it either) and they will remove the filters.

Crappy I know but that is how it is in Jax (at least for now).

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I guess I'll hook up my antenna then. Hope I get some decent signals. VHF will probably provide a challenge
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Ugh. Thanks a ton comcrap. I can't get any VHF signal on my antenna, so now i am out of luck because they had to remove qam locals.
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