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Well, I see a few mentions of Madison and Milwaukee but nothing about Green Bay so why not start something? Anybody that can provide additional information, please do! Also correct me if I'm wrong.

WBAY (ABC) 2/DT23 - On the air 18 hours a day. Goes off from 11PM-5AM. Doing a decent job in my opinion. ABC-provided programming is all 720p and the rest of the 18 hours is upconverted HD. I don't know how much ABC is taking advantage of DD5.1 but I don't think I've seen any show on WBAY that is utilizing DD5.1 at this time. The engineer that I spoke with seemed very optimistic and excited about HD and gung-ho about other DTV perks such as multicasting, etc. Was even willing to talk about doing local events/news in HD but he said that its such an expensive process that it could take some time.

WFRV (CBS) 5/DT56 - On the air 24 hours a day. The other station that is doing a good job with both providing a digital signal *AND* HD content. This station is owned by CBS/Viacom and the full slate of CBS programming is 1080i and they are also upconverting the rest of their schedule. Once again I'm ignorant about what CBS provides in DD5.1 but I don't see anything on WFRV that is DD5.1.

WLUK (FOX) 11/DT51 - On the air 18 hours a day. Goes off from 9AM-3PM. Much like the Fox network itself, WLUK doesn't seem all that enthused about either HD or even the ED version that Fox is piping out. WLUK does not provide the ED 16x9 versions of the Fox programming offerings. I'm glad to see they are at least offering DTV 75% of the day but its all SD and the PQ compared to CBS & ABC isn't as good. Of course the sound is not DD5.1 either. I talked to an engineer and he said that even after Fox offers HD programming WLUK will likely not have it. "Could be 2 years before we switch over" was the response I got. Not very enthusiastic about it.

WIWB (WB) 14/DT21 - Not on the air yet. Scheduled to go live in January '04. Neither the programming director or the engineer knew much about their schedule as of yet. Will they be 24/7? Will they be SD all of the time? WB now has some HD content and I'd like to see it but until this station goes on the air either nobody knows or its all a big secret for now.

WGBA (NBC) 26/DT41 - Perhaps the biggest disappointment when you think about how NBC has been making strides to provide HD content. According to the station it may be 1+ year before they provide anything else besides SD programming. The DTV signal is available 24/7 however...even if it is just SD. This station is owned by a smaller company (also owns the UPN station) I believe and according to them its all a matter of equipment arriving and getting installed. Much like Fox SD there is less picture quality compared to the Green Bay HD leaders (ABC,CBS,PBS).

WACY (UPN) 32/DT59 - Operating at such low power I cannot receive it where I am. Apparently on the same tower as NBC26 but I can't pick up a strong enough signal (with an indoor antenna 12 miles from the tower) most of the time to see it. UPN of course is only offering a couple of shows in HD but when I have seen DT59 (they must occasionally fiddle with the antenna because sometimes I can get it and I see the signal strength swinging dramatically up and down) its a lot like its sister-station 26/DT41. SD 24/7. Needs improvement but at least thanks for the DTV station which is on the air--even if I can't get it where I am!

WPNE (PBS) 38/DT42-1, 42-2 - Well much like the rest of the country I see the constant PBS HD loop on 42-1 but the PQ is excellent and this is the only station that is utilizing DD5.1 most of the time. Its on 24/7 and if you ever want to demo HD to someone if they are in your home during mid-afternoon this is going to be the station to show them.....but its like this in most of the country, no? 42-2 is a 24/7 (I believe) SD DTV version of analog channel 38.

Well that is the report on Green Bay, WI as of 12/3/03. If anyone knows anything else please let me know. I'll also follow up once WB14/21 goes on the air which will hopefully be in the next month or so.
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Beginning Monday, December 8 WPNE-DT (Wisconsin Public Television) will air a 24/7 HD and Widescreen SD service of full-length programs. The "loop" will be a thing of the past.

Garry Denny
Associate Director of Programming
Wisconsin Public Television
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Thanks, That is good to hear. That loop gets a little tiring but the visuals are stunning.

I'm hoping that the Green Bay NBC/UPN owner get their equipment installed and HD running sooner than they think. I was told by someone there they thought things would be in place by the Olympics possibly. That is another 8 months. Until then I guess we will continue to see NBC HD programming in SD and UPN will be at such low power I won't be able to see it. Full power and HD programming are expected to happen at the same time according to the engineer.
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Thats great to hear! I too wish the other networks (Fox, UPN, WB, NBC) would step up to the plate like the others. I would love to see Smallville in HD!
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How well are you fellow NE Wisc guys receiving WGBA? Usually my signal strength is very low (5-25), even with a roof antenna. Does anyone know if they are running at low power? I also noticed that at times WGBA and WACY will swap power (if that's it). What I mean is that WACY will get weak and WGBA will get stronger for about a day and then they go back to WACY being stronger.

I also noticed about a week ago that WIWB was on 21 for about a day. Probably as a test. A good sign that they will be online soon.

As for WLUK, while their signal strength is great here in Neenah, I am totally disgusted with their DT picture on any football game coverage. Occasionally it's okay but most of the time it jitters with any side-to-side motion and borders on being unwatchable. The analog side doesn't have this at all so I'm guessing it's due to A to D processing. Is there and e-mail for their engineering?
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Jerry,

Contact 11

http://www.wluk.com/contact/ select technical.
Willie
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Thanks Willie,

Actually, not long after my earlier post, I did just as you suggested and got this response:
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We are working with or equipment providers to try to eliminate the problems with our digital signal, and we plan to upgrade our system next year to be able to pass the widescreen programming from FOX.

Thank you,

Mike Nipps
WLUK TV


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Yeah, Im so mad at fox because of all of the Packer Games being crappy looking. I wish they would step up to the plate like CBS or ABC.

Oh well at least the Super Bowl will be in Glorious HD on CBS......Maybe the Pack will get lucky and be in it this year!
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Does anyone know if WB14 is actually doing HIDef?

Willie
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It doesn't appear so. I checked the listings at www.titantv.com and saw none of the WB shows known to be made in HD being sent on 14 as HD. I just noticed they are broadcasting a digital signal today, although to get sound you have to select the 2nd audio program.
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Thanks for the information on FOX and NBC in our area, edeclark. I was wondering if FOX or NBC would be added to Time Warners HD lineup anytime soon, but seeing as how they are not anywhere near boadcasting in HD yet, I guess it won't be for awhile.

I really hope WLUK get's their act together in time for the Packers next season....
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Are there any updates on the Green Bay channels since the last post?
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Anyone know anything?
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Nothing that you probably don't already know...

- DirecTV now provides HD CBS on channel 80 for HD subscribers. They also say they plan to provide HD locals in the future.

- WBAY has been using their 2.1 and 2.2 channels recently but 2.2 is just the same content as 2.1.

- WIWB 14 has been on the air for months with good signal strength. No HD content.

- WACY and WGBA continue to be a challenge to receive in Neenah but I can get 40-50 strength on them with a rooftop antenna and meticulous aiming. The other stations are all 80-90.
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Anyone know of any news if TWC will be carrying ESPN in HD in the future? I called and got the usual response of "we're in negations". So I guess they're not sure either?
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I sent an email to WLUK asking about HD for next season, here's the response (only took about an hour to get the answer!):

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Currently FOX offers it's "Enhanced Widescreen" format, that is 480p. We were in the final planning stages to upgrade out studio to be able to pass this signal, but FOX announced that next year they would be sending out a 720P HD signal. They also recommended that any station hold off on doing any digital upgrades until they have finalized their plans. So we put our upgrades on hold while we waiting for FOX to finalize their plans. We plan to have our upgrades done before this fall's football season. The good news is that FOX has backed down from their original plans of only offering 480P and will start offering 720P. In addition FOX plans on broadcasting six football games each weekend in HD, so most of the Packer games should be available in HD. Thank you for you interest in our digital signal.

Mike Nipps
Director of Engineering
WLUK TV


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I got the exact response from WLUK, here's what WACY sent:

The New equipment for HDTV upgrade is being installed now. The upgrade will make a definite improvement in your reception. The time table for the turn on is early to mid August.

Mark
GM
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WACY? Sweet!

Finally will be able to watch Enterprise in HD.
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chew, how is your WACY reception (signal strength)? It seems pretty weak for me, less than 30 when the other stations are above 80.
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I thought I would add my two cents

chanels 2, 5, 11, 38 - all 80+ on signal strength
chanels 14, 26, 32 - no signal

Greg
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Thanks Greg,

Channels 26 and 32 have been almost impossible to bring in with a rooftop antenna so I suspect they are not broadcasting at full power until they have a bigger DT audience. Channel 14 has been a little weaker than the rest (around 70).
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Jerry,

Does 14 broadcast their digital channel all the time, or just select times? I've never had any luck receiving it. Is it located in the same general direction as the other stations (I'm in Menasha)?

Thanks,
Greg
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Greg,

Ch. 14 seems to broadcast a normal day (they're on whenever I look) and the direction cooincides with the other GB stations NE from Neenah, unlike 14's analog signal which is straight north.
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Quote:


Originally posted by Jerry Arseneau
chew, how is your WACY reception (signal strength)? It seems pretty weak for me, less than 30 when the other stations are above 80.

Sorry, I don't get 'round these parts too often.

I get very little reception from 32 or 26. It's out more often then it's on. Right now the only channels I actually keep in memory are 2, 5, and 38.
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Using a large antenna in the attic of the shop pointing directly south:
@1080i
38.1 PBS
11.1 FOX
14.1 WB
5.1 CBS
2.1 ABC

26.1 NBC defaults to NTSC 26
59.1 UPN no signal

I'm using a Sylvania SRZ3000, which is 480i/480p/1080i only
Pistons vs. Lakers on ABC was stunning, came in as true 16:9, and I don't really like BBall...of course PBS is awesome as well..just seems to run a loop (how many times do I have to see Niagra Falls?)

Then again, I've only had HD since last Friday afternoon...
Even my wife noticed the difference!
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I thought it was time to see where things stand in our area, so;

I talked to the engineer for WGBA (26 - NBC) and WACY (32 - UPN) today and he stated that they are shooting for a mid-August full power HD startup - shooting for the olympics. They are currently broadcasting SD DTV at low power (he thinks about 10 -15 mile range). I can't receive it in Menasha.

The FOX engineer (WLUK - 11) said they just ordered their HD equipment and they are targeting the start of the football season (Sept 1st) to go HD. They want to be ready when FOX network begins broadcasting in HD.

I couldn't find the phone number for the WB!

Greg
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Thanks Greg, that's great news!
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I just hope NBC doesn't run into any problems installing their HD equipment. Seems like they are cutting it pretty close, and there always seems to be some quirk in the installations. Fingers crossed. Olympics in HD is too awesome to miss (at least Salt Lake was).
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Excellent news for NBC.

I feared we wouldn't be getting HD Olympics!

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