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It looks like my formatting was lost:

So KEYE moves from 43 to 34 and KNVA moves from 49 to 23.


For the repack channel assignments, I looked at this page http://data.fcc.gov/download/incenti...nsition_Files/

and followed the phase assignment link
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At least nobody ended up on VHF-Low
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At least nobody ended up on VHF-Low
Until the next one, when they squeeze them again.
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Have you considered switching antennas? I'm not that far from you, and my attic installation works fairly well. You can get a Yaghi for $45 or so off Amazon. However, for about the same amount you can get a Winegard bowtie from Home Depot.

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Winegard-...D30H/203972856
(Yes, this one does VHF. I have this one in my attic. I get pretty much everything. I'm in Brushy Creek.)
At my other house in Leander further north than where I'm at now, I had a small mounted antenna in the attic, and picked up nearly 50 stations (Waco and Austin), but I didn't have the radiant barrier in the attic. My new location has radiant barrier, and is further south and the same antenna would only get channel 24. I ended up buying a Winegard HD7694P and mounted it in the antenna and it picked up all the Austin stations about 60% of the time. I went ahead and paid to put an antenna outside, and now I'm back up to the 50 channels.
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OK, I am here to discuss an issue that seems to originate in Bizarro World, so humor me for a moment.

I am viewing KEYE TV, and I noticed that there was no signal coming out of the center channel. Since dialog will normally be in the center channel, this seemed peculiar. I receive the KEYE TV signal either on DirecTV, or from an OTA antenna. Thinking this might be a DirecTV issue, I tuned to the digital OTA channel, but still no signal from the center channel. I also have two DirecTV receivers, and the problem exists on both.

I then opened the web interface to my AVR, went to the Info page, and checked the format of the incoming audio signal. It showed 5.1 Dolby Digital, as expected. I then changed to NBC and ABC, both also in 5.1, and the dialog was coming from the center channel as expected.

And the center channel issue does not seem to be limited to local programming--the problem is there for the national CBS signal.

This is a real head-scratcher for me. I have taken reasonable steps to rule out equipment issues on my end, and feel that the root cause is with KEYE TV. In order for them to not treat me as a weirdo, I am looking for feedback from anyone who might be experiencing the same issue.
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I had this happen a number of years ago, sent an e-mail to the station and they fixed the problem. IIRC it was a lose wire in their audio path.
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I had this happen a number of years ago, sent an e-mail to the station and they fixed the problem. IIRC it was a lose wire in their audio path.
Interesting. I have reported it to KEYE. Could you check to see if you are experiencing the same issue? Thanks.
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Interesting. I have reported it to KEYE. Could you check to see if you are experiencing the same issue? Thanks.
Just checked and I have the same issue and I also emailed KEYE. Let us know if you hear from KEYE

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Just checked and I have the same issue and I also emailed KEYE. Let us know if you hear from KEYE
Thanks for checking. It's always reassuring to know I am not the only one. I'll report back when/if I hear anything.
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Email from KEYE

"I personally have 4 TV’s at my house on DirecTV and none of them have a problem with center channel missing. Sounds like a receiver setting or a setting in the TV.

We also monitor DirecTV here at the station and we don’t see a problem with the audio. And DirecTV takes us via OTA and we have not received a call from them about missing center channel audio.

So, I must say double check your audio settings on your receiver and or TV."

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I personally have 4 TV’s at my house on DirecTV and none of them have a problem with center channel missing. Sounds like a receiver setting or a setting in the TV.

We also monitor DirecTV here at the station and we don’t see a problem with the audio. And DirecTV takes us via OTA and we have not received a call from them about missing center channel audio.

So, I must say double check your audio settings on your receiver and or TV.

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I have an OTA antenna going directly to my TV, and it also has no center channel sound. And the audio system in the bedroom exhibits the same problem. It is highly unlikely that a setting would be affecting two entirely different audio systems. And tuning down to NBC or ABC, and the center channel returns. How many settings on an audio system do you know of that would affect only one channel?

I am baffled.
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Thanks for checking. It's always reassuring to know I am not the only one. I'll report back when/if I hear anything.
I do get dialog in my center channel if I stream CBSN via Roku. I do not have cable or satellite. Only OTA thru my Tivo

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I do get dialog in my center channel if I stream CBSN via Roku. I do not have cable or satellite. Only OTA thru my Tivo
Your responses seem to be inconsistent.
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Your responses seem to be inconsistent.
What is inconsistent? No center channel OTA CBS (local) but yes on streaming CBSN (national)

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I personally have 4 TV’s at my house on DirecTV and none of them have a problem with center channel missing. Sounds like a receiver setting or a setting in the TV.

We also monitor DirecTV here at the station and we don’t see a problem with the audio. And DirecTV takes us via OTA and we have not received a call from them about missing center channel audio.

So, I must say double check your audio settings on your receiver and or TV.

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What is inconsistent? No center channel OTA CBS (local) but yes on streaming CBSN (national)
But the first quote above seems to say no trouble found. Is there a problem or not? If yes, what is being done about it?
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Is the response from Danny Graves something you cut and pasted into a quote? If yes, then the way you did it confused me. I thought you were Danny Graves, and it seemed like there were two contradictory responses.

I am getting "no trouble here--check your audio settings" responses from KEYE engineering. I hate when someone thinks they are dealing with an amateur.
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Is the response from Danny Graves something you cut and pasted into a quote? If yes, then the way you did it confused me. I thought you were Danny Graves, and it seemed like there were two contradictory responses.

I am getting "no trouble here--check your audio settings" responses from KEYE engineering. I hate when someone thinks they are dealing with an amateur.
Yes, it was from an email from KEYE. Sorry for the confusion. Yes, his tone is condescending.

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Yes, it was from an email from KEYE. Sorry for the confusion. Yes, his tone is condescending.
Attn OTA viewers:

Please tune in CBS and see it you are getting sound from your center channel.

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I just captured transport streams from both KLRU 18.1 and KEYE 42.1 with my HDHomeRun, then ran the TS through ffmpeg to get 5.1 channel WAV files.

On KLRU, most of the audio was on the center channel, with some additional audio on L, R, and the .1.
On KEYE, all of the audio was on the L and R channels, with nothing on center or the surrounds.

So, it definitely looks like a KEYE problem.
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Thank you for confirming. So far, KEYE engineering is insistent that there is no issue with their signal. Perhaps you could send them an email with your findings.

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Update"

Mr. Zimmer,

I think one important piece of information has not been communicated here. I believe it’s assumed by the folks posting on the blog/post below is that we are always feeding out 5.1 audio.

We do not always feed out 5.1 audio, we are a stereo plant at this time. We do pass 5.1 when its encoded into the audio stream, but our news cast and all our server programming that we play out here at KEYE/CBS Austin is in Stereo. Now at 7:00pm when we go to CBS primetime national programming if the shows have 5.1 audio then we pass that through our plant and over the air.

I hope this helps with the confusion, if you have any more questions or would like to talk about this more please reply to this email.

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I received the same email from KEYE.

I plan on tuning in this evening to check whether any of the network programming is being received in 5.1 with center channel audio information.

I can't believe that KEYE has been broadcasting local content in Stereo. Something still doesn't sound quite right. The KEYE feed from DirecTV is showing as 5.1 when I check the audio stream using my Marantz web app. Unfortunately, I have no way of showing the same information for the OTA signal. Typically, when my AVR receives a stereo signal, it processes it using Dolby Surround, which synthesizes center channel information. But since the signal is actually 5.1, the AVR never invokes Dolby Surround. Confusing and disappointing.
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I am also sceptical.

My Onkyo 809 receiver shows that I am receiving a Digital Dolby feed. All 5.1 speakers indicators on the Onkyo display indicate it is receiving 5.1 signal from KEYE. I will check it tonight.

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I received the same email from KEYE.

I plan on tuning in this evening to check whether any of the network programming is being received in 5.1 with center channel audio information.

I can't believe that KEYE has been broadcasting local content in Stereo. Something still doesn't sound quite right. The KEYE feed from DirecTV is showing as 5.1 when I check the audio stream using my Marantz web app. Unfortunately, I have no way of showing the same information for the OTA signal. Typically, when my AVR receives a stereo signal, it processes it using Dolby Surround, which synthesizes center channel information. But since the signal is actually 5.1, the AVR never invokes Dolby Surround. Confusing and disappointing.
KEYE's OTA signal was very weak earlier this week. I wonder, if they had other issues. I'll try to check this evening. FYI, I have Dish and OTA.
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I am listening to the Steve Harvey program on KEYE. I assume this is a national feed. The screenshots below, taken while watching the OTA signal (which removes DirecTV from the equation), clearly show that the audio signal is Dolby Digital. But there is no center channel audio. I sent the same screenshots to the KEYE engineer for comment.

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Just turned on KEYE prime time and center channel is working!

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Just turned on KEYE prime time and center channel is working!
I received a call from the engineer, and I think I understand what is going on now. Content originating from KEYE "servers" is broadcast in 2.0 Dolby Digital. Content that is passed directly from the national CBS feed without being stored on the local servers first is broadcast in true 5.1. I am currently watching Mom, and I am hearing dialog from the center channel.

What is somewhat confusing is what content is coming from the local servers. And why KEYE is still limited to 2.0 seems a little outdated to me. In summary, it looks like everything is working the way it is supposed to be working. Thanks to everyone for helping get to the bottom of this.
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