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I thought KADN was already running and cooking with their DT setup? I don't agree with that coverage area as a relative's house in west Lake Charles picks up KADN with a very good signal strength.

Yep, I get them on occassion...have for over a year...dont know why the FCC database is out of date (but then some of it is not maintained by them but a contractor)....They have been relativity strong when I catch them (with the tuner in my HD, they have to be!).. but thought maybe they filed for a max, etc...either way, my comments about KLAF still stand......

In fact, Bluebonnet could do the same with 64...turn OFF 64 AND 36HD and put 64's programming on 29.2/30.2 as 64.1 (Cat lady, yep...6months and then its time to change EVERYONE to the real deal! .....Why they dont, I wish I understood BUT with cash savings obvious, etc, why not??? We dont need a SD feed on their .2 channel..
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I see where 12-1 & 12-2 are having intermittent signal loss issues today. I bet for those that don't have the Houston locals via SAT & if these problems with 12-2 still exist tomorrow, there will be some irritated folks out there...Of course I have to get on my soapbox here & say that I'm certainly no fan of NBC since they've refused to air a certain Super Bowl ad.

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I see where 12-1 & 12-2 are having intermittent signal loss issues today. I bet for those that don't have the Houston locals via SAT & if these problems with 12-2 still exist tomorrow, there will be some irritated folks out there...Of course I have to get on my soapbox here & say that I'm certainly no fan of NBC since they've refused to air a certain Super Bowl ad.

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They may have been adjusting the bit rates on the encoders to give a better PQ for the Superbowl tomorrow. Mark told me he was going to do that.

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Well, boys and girls, I finally took the plunge and switched to D*SH. Installed today and I love it. Model 722 dual DVR with built-in ATSC terrestrial tuner. Now I'm getting the 250 SD channels and over 4 times as many HD's than TWC and paying 5 dollars less a month. (Yeah, I know, what took me so long?)

Also, I'm incredibly impressed with the DTV tuner. I'm getting Houston, Lake Charles, Alexandria, and Lafayette. According to the ducting forecast, we're not in the zone, but I'm picking up channels on my 30 foot rig I've never even heard of like WNOL, New Orleans and WUPL, Slidell. All at 60+ signal and solid with no dropouts.


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Where does one find the ducting forecast?
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Just proves there's tons of uses for duct tape..

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Ha, ha ha, hearrean! TTTTtttthhhhhhhhhhbbbbtttt.
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Where does one find the ducting forecast?

http://www.dxinfocentre.com/tropo.html

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Thanks Trip!

It has now been favorite placed.
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Enjoy the game today guys!
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http://www.dxinfocentre.com/tropo.html

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Yeah, Bill's web site is well known through out the ham radio community....excellcent forcasting!!! Looks like Feb 6 is going to be a hot one for us (right on top of us according to the map)
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Thanks Trip!

It has now been favorite placed.

Thanks from me as well. As a person of science who is studying analog & digital signals during this transition, that site will be very useful to me.
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I saw KADN's official on air announcement last night confirming that they will terminate their analog signal on 2/17/09.
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According to the DTV transition status report filed with the FCC back in Feb. '08, KADN was already operating its full power final DTV facilities. So yeah, they must be at 800 KW from 359 MAG on channel 16, although it is still listed as a CP and not licensed.

But that is the coverage that is shown for the CP. What kind of system are your relatives using??? Do you know?

Yes, I do know. I set it up. It's a CM4228, 20 foot in the air, with no amp and no splitters. Just runs straight to the HDTV. Signal strength for KLFY and KADN is almost identical. At night if I swing the antenna northeast instead of east we can get KALB. Then you can quickly flip back and forth and compare the garbage sent out by KALB on the dual HD signal to the other affliates.
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Enjoy the game today guys!

12-2 Bitrate is adjusted up to 10.24 Mb/sec for the Superbowl. PQ is noticeably better. Still not quite as good as KPLC's 1080i, but passable.

And yes, Trip, I did a capture for you.

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12-2 Bitrate is adjusted up to 10.24 Mb/sec for the Superbowl. PQ is noticeably better. Still not quite as good as KPLC's 1080i, but passable.

And yes, Trip, I did a capture for you.

My TV only does 720p so I really cant tell a difference between 12.2 and KPLC other than audio...(7.2 has DD and it sounds pretty good!!)
Time for a 1080p at CC...oh wait, they dont take that credit card from them anymore oh well, wait for 50-75% off or buy from Onsale.com (saw a 1080p 47in refurb with full warranty for $600!)
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Does anyone know what is the monthly cost of electricity for the analog transmitter of a full power tv station? I know it varies from low V, high V, or UHF but just curious. I bet there will be a HUGE cost savings once the analogs are turned off.
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I remember seeing a post of two from some engineers stating 20k+ a month for a full power UHF analog.
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12-2 Bitrate is adjusted up to 10.24 Mb/sec for the Superbowl. PQ is noticeably better. Still not quite as good as KPLC's 1080i, but passable.

And yes, Trip, I did a capture for you.

Thanks! Looks good, though I really have a hard time imagining 10 Mbps looking good at 720p. Then again, I had the same trouble imagining 720p looking good at 8.66 Mbps, but that video you sent me looked alright, so...

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I remember seeing a post of two from some engineers stating 20k+ a month for a full power UHF analog.

Sounds like a good enough reason to turn off the analogs on 2/16. All of the analogs have been a waste of electricity as far as I'm concerned...I haven't watched them in over 4 years.
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No luck getting any NBC channel in HD in Lafayette. Antennaweb doesn't show that one exists, but it doesn't look 100% right anyway. Anyone getting NBC in HD?

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WVLA (33.1) should be quite strong. Are you not seeing it?

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I kinda back burnered this, but having just watched the Super-bowl in SD, it's back in the front of my mind. I spent much of the day trying anythign I could do to get an HD signal for NBC. I'm not sure how I can pick up the Jackson, MS SD NBC channel ota, but not the WVLA HD NBC affiliate in Baton Rouge, which is 150 miles closer.

I'm open to any suggestions, and also curious what changes might be in order in 2 weeks. Maybe something that helps me? Also, why won't DTV let me have an NBC HD channel when I can't get one?
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A lot of folks are watching WVLA in Lafayette just fine.
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Does anyone know what is the monthly cost of electricity for the analog transmitter of a full power tv station? I know it varies from low V, high V, or UHF but just curious. I bet there will be a HUGE cost savings once the analogs are turned off.

My current combined (analog and digital) power bill is around $5,000/month. About $1,000 of that is for air conditioning while the remainder is about equally split between the two transmitters. The digital transmitter is only 50,000 Watts ERP (actual transmitter power output is 3.129 Kw). The analog power is about 12Kw total (audio and video) for 100,000 Watts Visual and 20,000 Watts aural.

However, digital is measured in Average power while analog is measured in Peak power. The relationship between the two measurement methods is about 1.69 (50,000*1.69= 84,500 Watts). But peak power in the digital world is as meaningless a value as average power is in the analog world.

I suspect a full power (1,000,000 Watts) on channel 21 would be close to digiblur's $20K/month.

The interesting part is that 1,000,000 Watts would increase my coverage area (from 50,000 Watts) by only 6 miles.

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And just to add a bit... WVLA has already built out their full power digital signal. It's a full power 1000kw rig and covers the Lafayette area well. Here is the coverage map. It's a UHF channel so make sure you have a pretty good UHF antenna.

http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/FMTV-serv...DT1199664.html
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My current combined (analog and digital) power bill is around $5,000/month. About $1,000 of that is for air conditioning while the remainder is about equally split between the two transmitters. The digital transmitter is only 50,000 Watts ERP (actual transmitter power output is 3.129 Kw). The analog power is about 12Kw total (audio and video) for 100,000 Watts Visual and 20,000 Watts aural.

However, digital is measured in Average power while analog is measured in Peak power. The relationship between the two measurement methods is about 1.69 (50,000*1.69= 84,500 Watts). But peak power in the digital world is as meaningless a value as average power is in the analog world.

I suspect a full power (1,000,000 Watts) on channel 21 would be close to digiblur's $20K/month.

The interesting part is that 1,000,000 Watts would increase my coverage area (from 50,000 Watts) by only 6 miles.

Richard

By the way, Richard, I watched all three prime time shows last Friday and there were numerous pops and dropouts. Between 1 and 4 per minute at first. It seemed to get a little better from 9-10pm. The dropouts are not long like before, but very short blips, lasting only a few 10ths of a second. I was switching back and forth to KHOU in Houston and didn't notice any blips from them.

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My current combined (analog and digital) power bill is around $5,000/month. About $1,000 of that is for air conditioning while the remainder is about equally split between the two transmitters. The digital transmitter is only 50,000 Watts ERP (actual transmitter power output is 3.129 Kw). The analog power is about 12Kw total (audio and video) for 100,000 Watts Visual and 20,000 Watts aural.

However, digital is measured in Average power while analog is measured in Peak power. The relationship between the two measurement methods is about 1.69 (50,000*1.69= 84,500 Watts). But peak power in the digital world is as meaningless a value as average power is in the analog world.

I suspect a full power (1,000,000 Watts) on channel 21 would be close to digiblur's $20K/month.

The interesting part is that 1,000,000 Watts would increase my coverage area (from 50,000 Watts) by only 6 miles.


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If you want input from an all UHF market here it is:

KWKT: ERP=4.2 MWatts Peak $12500/mo KWKT-DT 100KW Av (Channel 44)
KYLE: ERP=2.1 MWatts Peak $ 7600/mo KYLE-DT 50KW Av (Channel 28)

NOTE: The digital stations repicate analog coverage at 99%-102%

Both digital transmitters will be solid state and estimated combined electric cost is under $1500.00/mo

By the way. KWKT & KYLE will be shutting down analog Feb 17th....Guess why.
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Congrads mlmahon on joining the ranks of D*SH subs, I'm getting ready to make that call. I'm building a credenza to house my stuff and a sat, rcvr. Do you have to connect a phone line to the rec. or has the requirement gone away?
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I live in southern Lafayette parish and receive digital 5.1 and 5.2 almost 100% of the time using a CM4228 in my attic. The aiming is pretty critical so any increase in power should make it bullet proof. I still want to know KALB's plan for its HD CBS 5.2 second channel? I would be much happier if they would drop the second CBS hd in favor of full time NBC.
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Congrads mlmahon on joining the ranks of D*SH subs, I'm getting ready to make that call. I'm building a credenza to house my stuff and a sat, rcvr. Do you have to connect a phone line to the rec. or has the requirement gone away?

You don't have to have a phone line or internet hookup for the system to work but they will charge you a $5 a month equipment fee if you don't. However, my installer told me that they were going to do away with that next month. The only function for the phone line/internet hookup is for some of the interactive and pay-per-view menus so that you don't have to call in to request a PPV show.

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If you want input from an all UHF market here it is:

KWKT: ERP=4.2 MWatts Peak $12500/mo KWKT-DT 100KW Av (Channel 44)
KYLE: ERP=2.1 MWatts Peak $ 7600/mo KYLE-DT 50KW Av (Channel 28)

NOTE: The digital stations repicate analog coverage at 99%-102%

Both digital transmitters will be solid state and estimated combined electric cost is under $1500.00/mo

By the way. KWKT & KYLE will be shutting down analog Feb 17th....Guess why.

They better have one very high gain antenna. My solid state transmitter only has a 20% efficiency rating. I doubt the newer models get over 30% yet.

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