Originally Posted by mikek753
check local Frys - I saw some at Brokaw Rd.
(Sorry for the size of this message. It sort of snowballed)
Thanks. This was for my father who, rather impulsively in my opinion, bought a Channel Master 4221HD (4-bay UHF) a month or so ago. (I was thinking he should get a VHF/UHF combo antenna). And then he lost his favorite ABC7 News when they changed things. I had printed out gjvrieze's
message from 6/14 in this thread which mentions a couple of VHF-HI antennas.
My father wanted to pick one up locally (and a preamp that combined UHF and VHF). Anyway, what he ended up doing as a short-term solution was to tape a pair of rabbit ears to a backyard-facing window. He then combined this with the 4221HD's signal. It solved the problem.
(tape was clear packing tape)update1-a(
As it turns out adhesive remover had to be used on the rabbit ears afterwards. Well, I suppose it didn't have to be. But the thing probably would've gotten gummed up.
As far as the preamp I had referred him to DPlettner's
6/19/09 message mentioning the Channel Master 7777 preamp. And so that's the one he was looking to pick up locally too.)
Anyway, then pixelation
on 6/21 posted a message saying that they were able to get KGO using their DB2 (2-bay UHF) in Sunnyvale. I suggested my father try using just his 4221HD again. It worked.
So the need for the VHF-HI antenna sort of disappeared for the time being. (I don't think Frys carries these VHF-HI antennas)Some interesting things we discovered
While KGO was at its weaker signal strength still we were able to get it if we rotated the UHF antenna so that it was facing sideways to the direction of the transmission tower.
Some people were saying how they didn't want to purchase a special VHF-HI antenna just for KGO 7. So maybe a solution is to purchase another UHF antenna that you have facing sideways. That way when KGO 7 moves up higher on the Sutro tower you won't be stuck with a VHF-HI antenna that you don't need. And now you can utilize that 2nd UHF antenna to pick up channels from some other market (potentially anyway).
(maybe this screwy solution only works because he's 17 miles from the transmission tower)
This was actually a suggestion I made to my father at one point. But the need disappeared when KGO boosted their transmission power
With the 4221HD facing sideways there were only two channels that weren't coming in, I think. That was KRON4 and some other. So my father bought an amplifier at Frys. It didn't help with KRON4, but it did pull in KOVR 25 CBS 13.1 from the Sacramento market. tvfool.com said this channel was 60 to 70 miles away and on the other side of two hills. But since pulling in distant channels wasn't our focus we didn't try to see what else we could get.update1-b(
The only thing I was suggesting was that someone that has an outdoor UHF antenna already that is having trouble getting KGO and can easily rotate the UHF antenna, well you might try doing so. And if it works consider getting another UHF like the one you have. Or perhaps a stronger one (more bays or something) so that you could do that thing of getting Sacramento too. And perhaps this is more directed at those that were opposed to buying a VHI-HI antenna just for KGO. (yes KNTV transmits at VHF 12, but they have a strong signal, so that's a nonissue, at least here).
Personally I would only bother if I could return the 2nd antenna in case the exercise proves fruitless.
I suppose there are so many preconditions on this that I shouldn't even bother mentioning it.http://www.hdtvprimer.com/ANTENNAS/comparing.html
has a "Using a UHF antenna for VHF" section at the end.
But I don't know how well it applies since it might not be taking into account the sideways orientation.)
http://www.frys.com/product/4187093Vanco's own website
Vanco: 120041 25dB Amp Video Amplifier for CATV & MATV, Switchable FM Trap
has more details on it.
A few days later I tried repeating that earlier experience with the same antenna and amplifier. I was unable to get KOVR or any other stations from the Sacramento market.
List of channels in the Sacramento market:http://www.rabbitears.info/market.php?mktid=27update2(
Disclaimer: I'm not qualified to give antenna advice.
For other subjects where I am more knowledgeable I always wince when a clueless person muddies the waters by suggesting a crackpot solution where a proven one works infinitely better. So that's why I hate to mention the sideways facing UHF antenna to pick up VHF thing.)