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Sure. TVGOS, UpdateTV, Sezmi, and AirBox, I believe, all qualify as ancillary services.

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That doesn't answer my question.

Do any stations provide these services? TVGOS is gone as stated on your website. Sezmi is gone. I guess Airbox are those encrypted channels on ION but do they still exist? I couldn't figure out what the status of UpdateTV is. Seems like it would be easier to get your firmware updates over the internet.

Certainly I have not looked at all the 317 forms but I have yet to stumble upon one where the station says they are providing such services.

Instead of the FCC requiring every station to file a yearly 317 form, it would make more sense to require filing the form only if they provide such services.

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Ah, gotcha. Yes, AirBox still exists.

I don't have this year's 317, but a few months ago I got a dump of last year's. Filtering out all the N/A ones got me this list: http://www.rabbitears.info/oddsandends.php?request=anc

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encrypted channels on ION but do they still exist?
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No. This scan was done 8/30/2014

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SCANNING: 635000000 (us-bcast:41)
LOCK: 8vsb (ss=96 snq=68 seq=100)
TSID: 0x0195
PROGRAM 3: 65.1 ION
PROGRAM 4: 65.2 qubo
PROGRAM 5: 65.3 IONLife
PROGRAM 6: 65.4 Shop
PROGRAM 7: 65.5 HSN
PROGRAM 8: 65.6 QVC
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Ah, gotcha. Yes, AirBox still exists.

I don't have this year's 317, but a few months ago I got a dump of last year's. Filtering out all the N/A ones got me this list: http://www.rabbitears.info/oddsandends.php?request=anc

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I'm surprised the list is that long. Not many stations are making any money on the services though.

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I've never found out what the two KQED and KVIE program sub-channels 8 and 9 are for. Anyone here know what they are? Maybe it has something to do with PBS.

SCANNING: 569000000 (us-bcast:30) LOCK: 8vsb (ss=91 snq=75 seq=100) TSID: 0x017F
PROGRAM 1: 9.1 KQED-HD
PROGRAM 2: 9.2 KQED+
PROGRAM 3: 9.3 WORLD
PROGRAM 8: 0 (control) <------- These two channels do not show up on regular TV receiver scans.
PROGRAM 9: 0 (control) <------- They only show up on my Home Run HD and TSReader scans.

SCANNING: 189000000 (us-bcast:9) LOCK: 8vsb (ss=64 snq=50 seq=100) TSID: 0x0159
PROGRAM 3: 6.1 KVIEHD
PROGRAM 4: 6.2 KVIE2
PROGRAM 5: 6.3 KVIEVme
PROGRAM 8: 0 (control)
PROGRAM 9: 0 (control)

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I've never found out what the two KQED and KVIE program sub-channels 8 and 9 are for. Anyone here know what they are? Maybe it has something to do with PBS.
A lot of PBS stations were carrying "PBS National Datacast" since 1988. I read an announcement that most of that operation was closed on June 30, 2014. Maybe that's what those sub-channels were for. The 2013 Form 317 from KQED says no ancillary broadcasts but the KVIE Form 317 does show PBS National Datacast with no revenue. Those stations should file 317's shortly so you can check what they did in that last year.

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Yes, those hidden subchannels are/were related to Update TV (National Datacast).

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Thanks, Chuck and Trip, for the info.

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KPIX 5 will have a sub-channel, 5-2 Decades, starting sometime next year.

Here's the information about the new service.

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The CBS O&O group is developing a digital subchannel, partnering with Weigel Broadcasting, to launch an outlet devoted to vintage TV and pop culture.

The channel dubbed "Decades" aims to stand apart from other retro-TV services by offering wrap-around programming designed to highlight the overall theme of the day’s program slate. The anchor of this effort will be an hourlong daily program, “Decades Retrospectical,” that will examine the news and events of a particular day or period in history, and all of the programs airing that day will reflect the theme. The service will debut sometime in late Spring, 2015.

Billed as “the ultimate TV time capsule,” "Decades" will allow CBS to make use of its vast library of TV series, telepics and movies, which range from “I Love Lucy” to “Cheers” to “Beverly Hills, 90210,” as well as the archives of CBS News, “Entertainment Tonight” and other in-house resources. The channel will be carried by the 16 CBS O&Os, and offered to stations in other markets on a syndicated basis in exchange for a national/local split of advertising time.

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KOVR is not a CBS O&O station but I hope they will consider it.

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KOVR is not a CBS O&O station but I hope they will consider it.


http://www.cbscorporation.com/portfolio.php?division=96

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