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How come this is only working one way? I feel cheated. LOL

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Don't feel too bad. Everything was crummy here around 5 pm. Even Salinas was down. It's recovered a bit now.

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No fun here. I feel cheated. LOL
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And also no fun at K03HY, with a complete outage now of the whole set of channels. 7:00pm +

I noticed huge signal gains last night. And down-swings today. With dropouts of KEMO, and long periods of KEMO outages.
24 hour test of KVIE showed PSIP capture overnight on a indoor UHF antenna with ultra low loss amp. There are brief times of huge signal surges.
12 hour tests of RF 31 show signal but no PSIP capture.
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Don't feel too bad. Everything was crummy here around 5 pm. Even Salinas was down. It's recovered a bit now.

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Is KFTY-2 or KKPM 28 down now ? 7:30
K03HY has no programming. Still on the air.
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And also no fun at K03HY, with a complete outage now of the whole set of channels. 7:00pm +
I don't know what is going on with this station ? Back on @ 7:45

I had 2 tvs BOTH on K03HY. One set it started streaming again. The other set I had to do a re-boot.
They are sending some kind of "shut-down" code or something.
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K03HY is not sending out any PSIP information again, just like a couple days ago. Many receivers won't display a picture if it doesn't get the PSIP info, while others will work fine. It all depends on the particular receiver quirks.

At midnight I'm getting a strong signal, but no PSIP information. The same thing is probably happening on all of the One Ministry channels since they all get their feed from the same point in Santa Rosa. The feed goes to KFTY on Mt. St. Helena, and then it's distributed to the other stations from there.

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As for conditions, they're still really bad between here and Walnut Grove, but 22, 50 and 68 from up north and all of the stations from the South Bay are coming in stronger than normal right now.

Ben, what do you use to monitor a channel to see if the PSIP is captured (like you mentioned for KVIE last night)?

I get a scan of each output of my HD Home Run every 15 minutes, but if anything special happens it is lost when the next scan occurs. All I have to look at is the last scan.

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Is KFTY-2 or KKPM 28 down now ? 7:30
K03HY has no programming. Still on the air.
KFTY is on this morning but with the usual audio and video problems. It's pretty much unwatchable. KKPM is on the air but it's too weak to decode. I can only see it on the analyzer.

On another note, KMMW, my local 28 is still off the air. It's been at least 4 weeks now. KMMW and KCSO are co-owned. KMMW was retransmitting KCSO. I figured that was a big advantage for them to back on UHF. I don't know what's up with those stations. In the meantime it's interesting to monitor the other stations on 28.

Does anyone know if KDTV-CD 28 is on the air from the North Bay? I have not been able to decode that station.

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Any update on the Buzz TV game show channel?
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Does anyone know if KDTV-CD 28 is on the air from the North Bay? I have not been able to decode that station.

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No luck on KDTV for me. I pointed my 91XG in that direction, but KFTL 28 and its subchannels came up in the scan -- no picture however. I had to re-position the antenna towards Mt. San Bruno to get a solid KFTL.
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Ben, what do you use to monitor a channel to see if the PSIP is captured (like you mentioned for KVIE last night)?
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Very easy, with equipment you may already have ... or can find on Craigslist for free

I have a 13" tube tv in my garage ..... with a "Digital Stream" (Radio Shack) analog converter box..... (Thats all you need)

1. The first thing you MUST do is "disable" the power down - energy saver .. shut down feature of the converter box. The box must stay on 24 / 7
To do that :
A. Hit menu button, toggle down to the last box on the left. (Function box)
B. hit ok
C. Toggle down to "Time"
D. Toggle right to "Power down"
Hit Off and disable it.

2. Enter channel 9 on the remote. .... KQED 9-1 pops up
A. On the remote control, push the "." button on the far right bottom corner.
B. "RF" .. pops up in the blue box on the screen.
C. Push 9, enter, enter.
Converter box is "Force-tuned" to RF-9 (KVIE) ..... no scanning.
AA. Hit the far bottom "Meter" button for the current signal meter.
Simply return to the "No signal" or "Weak Signal" screen ......... Turn tv off ..... and wait 24 hours.

After 24 hours, ..... turn tv on ..... (No-signal) or (Weak-signal) will show on the screen-saver.
A. Hit "Ok" button

It will still display the "RF" number if no PSIP was detected. -OR- It will say "KVIE 6-1" If the signal reached above 15, sometime during the 24 hour period.

Thats how I do a 24 hour PSIP signal capture test.
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Any update on the Buzz TV game show channel?
Yes, I just read that it will premiere in May.

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Very easy, with equipment you may already have ... or can find on Craigslist for free

I have a 13" tube tv in my garage ..... with a "Digital Stream" (Radio Shack) analog converter box..... (Thats all you need)

I have both a small 7 inch Axion TV and an Insignia converter box so I'll see if I can figure out how to manipulate the converter box to do what you do. The menu commands are different than your Digital Stream box, but I think it'll do the same things. I'll let you know if I get it to work for me. Thanks, Ben.

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Finally! We had fantastic conditions today... all day... from Walnut Grove. Channels 3, 6, 10, 13, 31 and 58 were solid all day long. Signals varied some, but were always 18 dB or higher whenever I checked. Channel 64 popped in briefly but didn't hold. Still no cigar for channel 29. I saw it get up to 14.3 dB, but I never saw PSIP or a picture. Nothing from RF channels 13 or 24 today.

Signals were also better than normal for 22, 50 and 68 from up north, while Mt. Diablo and South Bay stations were at about normal levels.

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Finally! We had fantastic conditions today... all day... from Walnut Grove. Channels 3, 6, 10, 13, 31 and 58 were solid all day long.

You must have stolen all my signals. Walnut Grove was awful here last night, especially KCRA. I gave up and switched all my recordings to Salinas, taking a chance that KION would hold in. It did. From 9:30 to 10 pm it increased 25 dB!

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You must have stolen all my signals.

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Today the signals are taking a roller coaster ride. They're up, they're down, they're way up and then they go way down. Since I first checked late this morning, they've gone through at least three swings. Lots of churning is apparently happening up there in the atmosphere today, even though we don't see a cloud in the sky.

It's a beautiful 75 degrees here, too!

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It's official now. KMMC-40 does not serve the East bay anymore... After some change around 4 to 6 months ago.

I brought outside a "huge" yagi antenna aimed directly at San Bruno Mountain (that I can see here) ... and the signal still is zero. With sometimes sporadic readings of around 4%
They did something drastic to completely stop signals to the east bay. The outdoor yagi did not work. About the same as indoor reception.
I am in some huge null zone or something.

Then I swung the antenna to KEMO, 2 edge, 80 miles, -15nm ..... It locked, so no problems with the antenna .... or any shorted out cables.

The only big signal surprise was with K03HY. That signal goes to 100% with the antenna outdoors ..... in the middle of the street.
It's usually 60-80% with the attic antenna indoors.
So moving the antenna to the middle of the street outdoors improved it 20 to 40 % Thats a huge margin.
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It's official now. KMMC-40 does not serve the East bay anymore... After some change around 4 to 6 months ago.

I brought outside a "huge" yagi antenna aimed directly at San Bruno Mountain (that I can see here) ... and the signal still is zero. With sometimes sporadic readings of around 4%
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The only big signal surprise was with K03HY. That signal goes to 100% with the antenna outdoors ..... in the middle of the street.
It's usually 60-80% with the attic antenna indoors.
So moving the antenna to the middle of the street outdoors improved it 20 to 40 % Thats a huge margin.
That's really interesting regarding channel 40. I took a look at the coverage for KMMC on the FCC web site and it shows that their signal should cover from Point Reyes to San Jose, and Hayward is definitely in that coverage area. I wonder if you took your mobile TV and moved to a slightly different location if you'd get a signal. You might be in a dead spot for some reason.

As for K03HY's signal going up, I suspect you'd see a similar increase on all of your channels if you compared the signals from indoors to outdoors. They say you can lose up to 40 or 50% signal strength if your antenna is indoors, and VHF is worse than UHF. Probably low VHF is even more so.

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That's really interesting regarding channel 40. Hayward is definitely in that coverage area. I wonder if you took your mobile TV and moved to a slightly different location if you'd get a signal. You might be in a dead spot for some reason.

As for K03HY's signal going up, I suspect you'd see a similar increase on all of your channels if you compared the signals from indoors to outdoors. They say you can lose up to 40 or 50% signal strength if your antenna is indoors, and VHF is worse than UHF. Probably low VHF is even more so.

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Not sure how I could be in a dead spot for Channel 40, ..... given the fact I can see the red lights on top of San Bruno Mountain here.
This is a prime spot for San Bruno Mountain, and that station used to come in. They have a sharp cutoff now, and that station is no longer do-able here.
I think the coverage maps you accessed are obsolete. I could try the flatlands & a higher elevation here, and see what happens. But my street is a no-go for that station.
Unless I know the new cutoff areas, elevation service areas, etc
From what I see here now, that station no longer works.

I believe K03HY worked better outside in the street because of the large open-ness, and lack of noise away from the house.
Sutro tower stations here are bullet-proof. Indoors or out. I only notice trivial signal changes with wind, added splitters, cabling, amplifiers, etc.
The wind fluctuation does not seem to change regardless If I use the antenna indoors/outdoors. So no advantage in moving that one outside.
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KMMC is sandwiched between two million watt stations and only puts about 1 kW in your direction. It's probably simply swamped in your direction by the adjacent channels which are likely at least 30 dB stronger.

Since it's COL is SF, not the East Bay are, it's covering what it has to.
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My "first" OTA experience

I turned off Comcast cable Friday and installed an Antennas Direct Clearstream 2V on my 32 inch Panasonic HDTV, about 3 years old. The antenna is facing the window, not any wall.

I live in a San Jose upstairs condo with a terrific view of Highway 87, and the antenna faces 230 degrees

I'm posting to find out what my new "normal" will be.

Last night I was watching the SNL 40 show, and it went from very good pic/sound, to pixelated, to no pic, no sound error #1 , then repeated this loop.

This morning, I turned to KGO HD and have gone from good picture/sound to no pic/no sound error #1 ...when I immediately switch to kqed, pic/sound are fine, then, I go back to KGO, and receive error #1 , program not available

KRON HD - very good; ktvu hd - ok/bit of stuttering, kpix hd - very good all as of about 8:30am PST Monday

The current weather is blue sky

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I turned off Comcast cable Friday and installed an Antennas Direct Clearstream 2V on my 32 inch Panasonic HDTV, about 3 years old. The antenna is facing the window, not any wall.

I live in a San Jose upstairs condo with a terrific view of Highway 87, and the antenna faces 230 degrees

I'm posting to find out what my new "normal" will be.

Last night I was watching the SNL 40 show, and it went from very good pic/sound, to pixelated, to no pic, no sound error #1 , then repeated this loop.

This morning, I turned to KGO HD and have gone from good picture/sound to no pic/no sound error #1 ...when I immediately switch to kqed, pic/sound are fine, then, I go back to KGO, and receive error #1 , program not available

KRON HD - very good; ktvu hd - ok/bit of stuttering, kpix hd - very good all as of about 8:30am PST Monday

The current weather is blue sky

Thx

It would be helpful if you posted a link to your TV Fool report so we could have a look to see if anything stands out.

230 degrees is the wrong direction from San Jose. It's more like 320 degrees. (Typo??)

There are some very strong temperature inversions that go on during these spells of strong high pressure and that can mess up reception or enhance it. Rainy weather has no inversions so that's the best time to evaluate your nominal reception.

It may turn out that an indoor antenna simply isn't good enough for you. The C2V VHF portion is only a dipole and is not intended for indoor reception some 40 miles from the transmitters. You'll almost certainly need something better on VHF.

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I think your biggest problem is that your antenna is facing the wrong direction. Most of the signals you want are coming from Sutro Tower in San Francisco and Mt. San Bruno, just south of San Francisco, so your antenna needs to point in that direction, more like 320 degrees, not 230 degrees.

Signals are strong into your area, so you shouldn't have any problems once you find the best location for your antenna. Move it around to find the best spot for it. Moving it a foot or two horizontally or vertically can make a big difference sometimes. Also, if you can get it outside on a balcony or deck, you'll get much better reception than you do with the antenna inside.

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I turned off Comcast cable Friday and installed an Antennas Direct Clearstream 2V on my 32 inch Panasonic HDTV, about 3 years old. The antenna is facing the window, not any wall.
I live in a San Jose upstairs condo with a terrific view of Highway 87, and the antenna faces 230 degrees
I'm posting to find out what my new "normal" will be.
Last night I was watching the SNL 40 show, and it went from very good pic/sound, to pixelated, to no pic, no sound error
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Alot of condos around here have a "spot" outdoors where residents mount dish tv antennas on 2 foot poles. Usually on one side of the building roof, wall, fence, etc.
Although not a dish antenna itself, performance would be improved outdoors in the open.

My two cents comment on the 2V antenna is if it is still in the 90 day merchant return period...... return it .... and heres why.
Remember those old metal loops that were attached to the back of black & white tvs ? ... Back in the day ?
The 2V is basically that x2 , and painted modern black so it's weatherproof.
For San Jose, look for something like Winegard model(s) 7694 thru 7698 or Channel Master 4228, or copycat antennas with the same design.
Much better performance.

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A couple of applications showed up today that Keith filed for K02QX in the south bay. One is to use a different antenna than in the original application that the FCC granted and the other is an STA to run just 7 watts while waiting for the FCC to grant the antenna change.

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You should see a few more any day now. He said he's submitted changes for K02QX, K03HY, KTVJ 4 and K05NA in Monterey.

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You should see a few more any day now. He said he's submitted changes for K02QX, K03HY, KTVJ 4 and K05NA in Monterey.

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Sure enough, an application showed up today for K05NA. The transmitter site is too low for me to ever see it here. Keith states in the app that there would be no interference to KTFK 5 or KNSO 5 but neither station is on 5. KTFK submitted an application for a translator on 5 from Mt. Diablo in June 2009 but it was never approved. KNSO hasn't been on 5 since the transition and there's no chance it's going back there since it is on 11.

I did see an application for K03HY a few days ago.

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Edit: The FCC granted the STA to operate K02QX at 7 watts.

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We were invited to lunch with friends today and in addition to lunch they wanted to show us their new 65 inch Sony 4K Ultra HD Smart TV. I knew they didn't have an OTA antenna, so I took my Mohu Leaf antenna with me. I wondered what their reception would be like from up there on the side of Twin Peaks. For those familiar with the area, they live on the 3400 block of Market Street, just above where Clayton Street begins, across from Kite Hill.

After lunch, they turned on the TV and the picture from Comcast looked fantastic. They then showed us the 4K demo video that came with the TV. The detail was stunning! The TV has very good audio, too. I was quite impressed. So far, they haven't found any other 4k video to watch, even with all of the various video services available on line, but they say that it's supposed to be coming soon. Do any of you know of any 4K programs or movies? If so, where would they find them? I'll pass on any information I get.

We then hooked up the Mohu Leaf antenna, hung it in an east facing window, and did a scan. The TV logged 73 stations! (That's counting the sub-channels, of course.) It got all of the stations from Sutro Tower, even though the tower itself was behind the hill that's above them and can't be seen from their home. I was amazed at many of the other stations that were received: low power channel 1, plus 14, 36, 48 and 54 from the South Bay, along with 6, 10, 13, 31 and 58 from Walnut Grove! The Leaf is not a VHF antenna, so when I saw 6 and 10, I was really surprised! It, of course, got 42 from Mt. Diablo, but it also picked up low power 52, RF 8, from up there, too. There were five channels missing from the list that I had expected to see: 11, 26, 28, 40 and 65. The hill that Market Street climbs is between them and Mt. San Bruno and apparently it is enough of a block that they didn't get any of the stations from there. None of the four stations from Marin or Sonoma were seen either.

The OTA HD looked great and even the SD channels looked really good. They were amazed at the number of channels they got, so now they're going to install a small VHF-UHF antenna on their roof.

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The new KTVJ channel 4, virtual channel 39, will be coming on the air from Mt. Tamalpais in a few weeks, and it should have the same signal coverage that channel 3 has now. K03HY, channel 3, will be moving. The One Ministries folks have submitted a change for channel 3 that has been posted on the FCC site. The station will be moving to the Clay Jones Building atop Nob Hill in San Francisco to provide a better signal for San Francisco, Oakland and the peninsula. Looking at the proposed coverage map on the FCC site, the signal is supposed to cover both sides of the Bay and reach as far south as San Jose. It will be interesting to watch for these upcoming changes.

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The new KTVJ channel 4, virtual channel 39, will be coming on the air from Mt. Tamalpais in a few weeks, and it should have the same signal coverage that channel 3 has now. K03HY, channel 3, will be moving. The One Ministries folks have submitted a change for channel 3 that has been posted on the FCC site. The station will be moving to the Clay Jones Building atop Nob Hill in San Francisco to provide a better signal for San Francisco, Oakland and the peninsula. Looking at the proposed coverage map on the FCC site, the signal is supposed to cover both sides of the Bay and reach as far south as San Jose. It will be interesting to watch for these upcoming changes.

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Virtual channel 39? Ugh!

Keith - How about something else? Maybe 50 or 60 something? AFAIK 53, 55, 56, 57, 59, 61, 62, 63 & 69 are unused in northern California. VC 39 is already a problem for me. KMMD is VC39/RC39 and KCNS is VC38/RC39. KRON is VC4/RC38 and K38JP is VC38/RC38. Right now I can get to all those stations but KTVJ VC39/RC4 will destroy that.

I think VC41 is also unused. VC 43 & 47 are used in Fresno but those would be better than 39.

Larry - If Keith doesn't read this forum maybe you can pass this along to him.

Looks like I will get an interference-free KCSO back.

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