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post #12541 of 12553 Old 05-27-2015, 11:48 PM
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That form doesn't allow you to search by date. You need to know the station. This one does:

http://licensing.fcc.gov/prod/cdbs/p...d/app_sear.htm

As of 10pm PDT KEMO is not showing up.

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Chuck you are correct on the site. I had two browsers open and pasted the wrong url.
Here is the application: It showed up last night.
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I did find this about early San Francisco TV, way too much detail to all be right and too much to read just once.
http://www.uhftelevision.com/articles/kqec.html
And this about KCSM dropping MHz. 7 days a week 6PM for two hours and 12 Noon Sat and Sun for two hours I am now tied to watching MHz streaming.
KCSM-TV discontinues MHz programming, citing FCC regulations Current.org
http://current.org/2014/07/kcsm-tv-d...c-regulations/

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Interesting reading. Thanks for the links.

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Interesting reading. Thanks for the links.

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Interesting reading for sure but it gives you a headache trying to follow. I am "just" able to try and understand how KCSM, KMTP and KQED came about.

I am not really disagreeing with your description of how KCSM on Bruno ceased to be and I might have been the person to put the parts together to generate the phrase "were thrown off San Bruno by KNTV".

I just wonder if the rates for KCSM and KNTV using the tower would be the same and were then raised when it was realized that KNTV wanted to move North and how long the requirement for a 10 years lease had been in effect. For many years I am guessing that it was. Out bid perhaps might be a better term. Plus CSM wanted to stop spending money on KCSM and still does and the new owner is now paying some of the expenses. KCSM was playing chicken with the FCC during the period of no analog signal on RF 60 but they got by, spent less money and did not get hurt.

The link sure gives lots of examples of stations being "Dark" for long periods

One thing I discovered about companies is:

1) Any one who knows what is going on is prohibited by law to not disclose anything. CEO, CFO, BOD and so on. Martha Stewart is an example.

2) The rest of the world cannot find out the real story so they make ones up.

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When it was announced that KQCA will soon start broadcasting Estrella on 58.3 both Larry and I wondered what was going to happen to KTNC since they cover the Sacramento market with Estrella. I did a little research into KTNC and I found they were purchased two years ago by a group who's stated purpose was to buy up under performing stations and sell them in the auction next year. If the auction occurs as scheduled, it would appear that KTNC will only be around for another year or so. The FCC says that auctioned stations who plan to shut down (not move or channel share) have 3 months after the auction to do so.

This would explain Estrella showing up on KQCA and why KTNC has filed no applications to move to Sutro Tower. I suppose this will open up the possibility for some other station to move to channel 14 on Sutro Tower.

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I did a little research into KTNC and I found they were purchased two years ago by a group who's stated purpose was to buy up under performing stations and sell them in the auction next year.

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I wonder how many other stations around here are in the same position? I've heard rumors about three, but nothing positive.

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I wonder how many other stations around here are in the same position? I've heard rumors about three, but nothing positive.

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KCNS is owned by the same group as KTNC so I guess you can count on that one going. Then we all know about KCSM. Do you think there are others? KMTP maybe?

I'm not aware of any in the Sacramento market. We don't have any "extra" stations. All our stations are major networks which seem unlikely auction participants.

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Edit: Add KTLN to the list.

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Edit: Add KTLN to the list.
KMTP, a station that's only income is from Cable Companies for their programming.

They had great plans a few years ago for "World Channel" (VC 32.2) and perhaps "WTV" (VC 32.4) but those streams are blank and have been for a long time.

They already have gone POP (KPOP VC 32.6).

Perhaps they were sold years ago and that's the reason for the non appearance of the "World Channel".

I could say more but the fun has gone out of bashing them.

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KCNS is owned by the same group as KTNC so I guess you can count on that one going. Then we all know about KCSM. Do you think there are others? KMTP maybe?

I'm not aware of any in the Sacramento market. We don't have any "extra" stations. All our stations are major networks which seem unlikely auction participants.

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Edit: Add KTLN to the list.
Hmmm... I hadn't heard about KCNS or KTLN. The ones that I heard the rumors about were KCSM and two low powers, KMMC and KAXT. It's going to be very interesting to see what actually happens at the auction! There might be some surprises.

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And this about KCSM dropping MHz. 7 days a week 6PM for two hours and 12 Noon Sat and Sun for two hours I am now tied to watching MHz streaming.

MHz had to cancel the Net flick like service as they $&*%$# up badly and need until the fall to re-launch.

The programs I have been watching have been messed up badly on the free streaming service. Episodes 1,2,7,8. Give me a break.

Well they say that after the fall International Mystery will be on MHz Choice only. One person posted that they bought the Roku box and it did not work with satellite Internet and gave it to Goodwell.

I almost am in the same position Chuck was before, the copper wires in the street for 45 years max out at:



I can get faster speed wireless but the monthly limit prevents using it for streaming. Right?

AT&T just started in Cupertino with their fiber and the prices appear to be very high for the slowest speed.

AT&T can use four wires but my ATSC tuners are incompatible with all of AT&T equipment. Internet maybe I can put an old router downstairs near the AT&T box outside and get 2x what I have now.

CommeBlast would be a huge fight to get Internet without Cable. Right?

Help! I love OTA and have a great ATSC system and EarthLink is also great.

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CommeBlast would be a huge fight to get Internet without Cable. Right?

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Comcast will let you get Internet only service. The price varies depending on what special offers are available, but I think it's about $80 a month for 50 Mb service. We have the Double Play - 50 Mb internet and X1 DVR TV - package for $99 a month plus fees. Our internet download speed has been averaging from 56 to 59 Mb, and it's been very reliable. Can't say the same for their X1 DVR service though. It's not ready for prime time as far as I'm concerned. Lots of channels and great picture quality, but the box is often very poor in responding to requests.

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I'm happy to report that distant signals have been way up tonight. Stations from Walnut Grove have been several dB stronger than normal. I hope this is a sign of good things to come this Summer.

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Strong inversions have produced mostly poor conditions here the last couple of days. The low temperature here this morning was 70F. No stations coming in from Sutro. Walnut Grove in and out. Salinas is above average which is often the case. The only really good conditions I could find was KHSL Chico coming in at a whopping SNR of 31dB! This will probably end tomorrow when the high pressure moves out.

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I am interested what equipment is requires and where it must be placed. What is the slowest speed required for streaming HD to one HTPC.

EarthLink can still be my ISP for Cable Internet but both the Cable company and EarthLink must be paid.

The EarthLink Web pages are short on details and great on predicting how many songs I can download compared to a 56K modem. The final cost per month is also hidden.

I need to see if the http://www.dslreports.com/faq/earthlink has cable information.

This may not be the best place for this discussion.

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