San Francisco, CA - OTA - Page 448 - AVS Forum | Home Theater Discussions And Reviews
Baselworld is only a few weeks away. Getting the latest news is easy, Click Here for info on how to join the Watchuseek.com newsletter list. Follow our team for updates featuring event coverage, new product unveilings, watch industry news & more!


Forum Jump: 
 95Likes
Reply
 
Thread Tools
post #13411 of 13549 Old 12-10-2015, 06:48 PM
AVS Special Member
 
Larry Kenney's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: San Francisco, CA
Posts: 3,078
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 360 Post(s)
Liked: 47
Quote:
Originally Posted by ADTech View Post
The C2's UHF loop and the VHF dipole both have -3dB BW in the 65-72° range. The C4, which is basically two C2 loops side by side, will cut that BW in approximately half but it's dependent on frequency. About 43° at ch 14, about 31° at ch 51, IIRC. C4 peak gain will improve by somewhere around 2-2.5 dB, depending on frequency as compared to the C2 UHF loops.
Thanks for the info on the C2 and C4. I've got the VHF C5 and have been very happy with it's performance. What is the BW on that antenna?

Larry

My complete SF Bay Area DTV Station Lists: http://www.choisser.com/sfonair.html
Lots of Broadcasting links and information: http://www.choisser.com/broadcast.html
Live reception scans from my HD Home Run receivers: http://www.larrykenney.com/hdhr/
Photos and info on my antennas: http://www.larrykenney.com/tvantennas.html
Larry Kenney is online now  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #13412 of 13549 Old 12-11-2015, 08:52 AM
Member
 
PaulamI's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Posts: 84
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 81 Post(s)
Liked: 12
Quote:
Originally Posted by SFischer1 View Post
I suggest you use TitanTV as the listings are there.

SHF

Thank you for suggesting TitanTV listings. It's a bit overwhelming at first with all of the features and setup options but after registering and wading though it I now have my own personal channel lineup. Am I missing anything the average overage couch potato should have?
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	channels.JPG
Views:	30
Size:	31.0 KB
ID:	1112674  
PaulamI is offline  
post #13413 of 13549 Old 12-11-2015, 10:17 AM
Advanced Member
 
ADTech's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: St Louis
Posts: 625
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 85 Post(s)
Liked: 51
Quote:
Originally Posted by Larry Kenney View Post
Thanks for the info on the C2 and C4. I've got the VHF C5 and have been very happy with it's performance. What is the BW on that antenna?

Larry

Larry,

The C5 is best thought of as a re-scaled C1 so it's features for high-VHF are very similar to the C1's at UHF. Therefore, the C5 also exhibits a -3dB BW of around 70° on channels 7-13, it does vary slightly with frequency.

We do have a comprehensive technical data sheet on our website that has the calculations, it's under the "Documents" tab on the C5's web page. The data sheet also has calculated UHF performance which shows the C5 acts like a quasi-omnidirectional antenna on UHF, it's just that it has some quirky peaks and nulls at various frequencies and angles on UHF.

Tech support for Antennas Direct
ADTech is offline  
post #13414 of 13549 Old 12-12-2015, 07:22 AM
Member
 
PaulamI's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Posts: 84
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 81 Post(s)
Liked: 12
Quote:
Originally Posted by SFischer1 View Post
So why did you buy / build your cabin?

SHF
I hope to build a house there some day.

I have a pulley atop a 150 foot tree now. Been thinking about ways to hoist an antenna up there but none seem plausible other than hoisting myself up with it.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	1211151102.jpg
Views:	34
Size:	339.0 KB
ID:	1114714  
PaulamI is offline  
post #13415 of 13549 Old 12-12-2015, 09:45 PM
Member
 
dscek's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 34
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 10 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by Calaveras View Post
The TV Fool report shows line-of-sight to all of the SF stations so there's no obvious reason why they're having trouble with just KQED on UHF. No reception of KGO on RF 7 and KNTV on RF 12 is likely due to an inadequate antenna on VHF. They probably need this for VHF:

http://www.mcmelectronics.com/produc...eo+retargeting

Are there any other problems with UHF stations from Sutro tower? How about KOFY, KMTP, KFSF, KCNS, KCSM and KBCW? If it's only KQED it may be just an unlucky location for the antenna and relocating it would help. Any issues with Mt. San Bruno? KKPX, KTSF, and low power stations KFTL and KMMC?

The TV Fool report shows strong signals so adding a preamp would probably be a bad idea as it might overload the TV and cause more problems.

Chuck
Ok so regarding other channels transmitted from Sutro Tower they can and can't receive.

Can receive ok: KOFY (20-1, 20-2, 20-3, 20-4), some of KMTP (32-1, 32-5, 32-6), KFSF (66-1, 66-2, 66-3, 66-4), KCNS (38-1, 38-2, 38-3, 38-4, 38-5, 38-6), KCSM (60-1, 60-2, 60-3)

Cannot receive: some of KMTP (32-2, 32-4), KBCW (44-1)


Regarding channel transmitted from Mt San Bruno:

Can receive ok: KKPX (65-1, 65-2, 65-3, 65-4, 65-5, 65-6), KTSF (26-1, 26-2, 26-3, 26-4, 26-5, 26-6),

Cannot receive: KFTL (28-x), KMMC (40-1)


Not sure what to conclude from all this. So they can get many stations from Sutro Tower (including KTVU on RF 44, KRON on RF 38). But they cannot get a few of the major stations like KGO (7-x on RF 7) and KQED (9-x on RF 30). I think not getting KGO from Sutro Tower may make sense because apparently they are using relatively less power to broadcast (23.8 kW according to http://www.choisser.com/sfonair.html) compared to other stations. And maybe some of the KMTP channels too since they broadcast using 480 kW. But this doesn't make sense for KQED and KBCW which broadcast with 1000 kW.
dscek is offline  
post #13416 of 13549 Old 12-12-2015, 11:47 PM
Advanced Member
 
888CALLFCC's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Hayward, CA
Posts: 779
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 156 Post(s)
Liked: 28
Quote:
Originally Posted by dscek View Post

Not sure what to conclude from all this. So they can get many stations from Sutro Tower (including KTVU on RF 44, KRON on RF 38). But they cannot get a few of the major stations like KGO (7-x on RF 7) and KQED (9-x on RF 30). I think not getting KGO from Sutro Tower may make sense because apparently they are using relatively less power to broadcast (23.8 kW according to http://www.choisser.com/sfonair.html) compared to other stations.
The antenna model they are using is completely inadequate. -- some of the most expensive models are complete lemons in terms of performance.

One way to check is look at other antennas on rooftops in San Jose. The average size I've seen is around 4 to 9 feet long in San Jose.
Many can be seen on roof tops by simply driving down highway 101 south of the downtown area.
KGO 7 is in San Francisco, KBKF 6 (analog) is in San Jose. That antenna model will not pick up those stations at all.

Tomorrow (sunday) is expected to be extremely windy.
Some viewers will notice dropouts of UHF channels due to multipath. (Moving tree foliage - "Airplane flutter") type of multipath.
Over-sized antennas reduce & eliminate problems that match cable company reliability.
Ben
888CALLFCC is offline  
post #13417 of 13549 Old 12-13-2015, 09:56 AM
AVS Special Member
 
Calaveras's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Mountain Ranch
Posts: 4,339
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 778 Post(s)
Liked: 188
Quote:
Originally Posted by dscek View Post
Not sure what to conclude from all this. So they can get many stations from Sutro Tower (including KTVU on RF 44, KRON on RF 38). But they cannot get a few of the major stations like KGO (7-x on RF 7) and KQED (9-x on RF 30). I think not getting KGO from Sutro Tower may make sense because apparently they are using relatively less power to broadcast (23.8 kW according to http://www.choisser.com/sfonair.html) compared to other stations. And maybe some of the KMTP channels too since they broadcast using 480 kW. But this doesn't make sense for KQED and KBCW which broadcast with 1000 kW.

There's something wrong with the installation but it's hard to know what it is from here. KMMC and KFTL show SNRs >+30 dB. They should have no trouble receiving those as those are strong signals. kall_me_karl may be right on with his suggestion that there is a connection problem somewhere. Right now it sounds like they're just barely getting enough signal on the strongest stations.

I'd start out with a new run of coax and connect it from the antenna to one TV with no splitters, splices or jumper cables of any kind. You've tried two different antennas with the same results so it can't be the antenna.

KMTP is only using the -1, -5 and -6 sub channels so you're receiving all there is.

VHF stations run much less power because they don't need as much as UHF stations. KGO's 24KW is equivalent to a UHF station running 1000KW. KGO, KQED and KBCW are all roughly equal at my place 110 miles from Sutro Tower.

Chuck
Calaveras is online now  
post #13418 of 13549 Old 12-14-2015, 01:48 AM
AVS Special Member
 
Larry Kenney's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: San Francisco, CA
Posts: 3,078
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 360 Post(s)
Liked: 47
Quote:
Originally Posted by PaulamI View Post
I have a pulley atop a 150 foot tree now. Been thinking about ways to hoist an antenna up there but none seem plausible other than hoisting myself up with it.
If you can get a rope on the pulley and tie a decent antenna to it so that it's fairly level and balanced with 150+ feet of coax attached, it would be interesting to see what you received from the 150 foot level. It would be a rather expensive experiment with lots of physical problems, but would be fun to do.

How about a weather balloon?

Larry

My complete SF Bay Area DTV Station Lists: http://www.choisser.com/sfonair.html
Lots of Broadcasting links and information: http://www.choisser.com/broadcast.html
Live reception scans from my HD Home Run receivers: http://www.larrykenney.com/hdhr/
Photos and info on my antennas: http://www.larrykenney.com/tvantennas.html
Larry Kenney is online now  
post #13419 of 13549 Old 12-14-2015, 05:07 AM
AVS Special Member
 
ProjectSHO89's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 2,984
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 167 Post(s)
Liked: 98
Quote:
How about a weather balloon?
How about a drone? They're all the rage this year.
ProjectSHO89 is online now  
post #13420 of 13549 Old 12-14-2015, 07:40 AM
Member
 
PaulamI's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Posts: 84
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 81 Post(s)
Liked: 12
I thought of a drone too but it would take a big one. There is a rope in place already, you can see it in the photo. A couple things I thought of:

Attache the antenna on a 20' pole and clamp the pole to the rope at the bottom and middle only, then when the middle clamp hit the pulley the antenna would be 10' above it.

Use 2" PVC pipe for the pole and keep gluing on 20' sections of pipe as I raise the antenna until I have pipe all the way up. This would potentially allow me to rotate it by hand, or with a Channel Master rotor I have.

One major concern in either of these is getting the antenna past the branches. It's not thick by any means but just one could hang it up. Maybe a cone type deflector above the antenna.

Ultimately going up there is still probably the best option.
PaulamI is offline  
post #13421 of 13549 Old 12-14-2015, 08:03 AM
AVS Special Member
 
Calaveras's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Mountain Ranch
Posts: 4,339
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 778 Post(s)
Liked: 188
Hire a tree climber to install the antenna at the top of the tree. A friend of mine has antennas installed at the top of two 100' pine trees.

Use RG-11 to reduce loss and install the preamp at the tree base to minimize the chance of preamp failure rendering your system useless.

I need a memory refresh. What does your TV Fool report look like at 150'? No point in going to all this trouble if it's not going to be worth it.

Chuck
Calaveras is online now  
post #13422 of 13549 Old 12-14-2015, 08:17 AM
Member
 
PaulamI's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Posts: 84
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 81 Post(s)
Liked: 12
Ha! I never did one, talk about putting the cart before the horse. Here it is:

http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wr...b97dac90238cfb

Much better than the 20' report. If I could get just KGO I'd be happy, a few of the ones in red would be a bonus.

Last edited by PaulamI; 12-14-2015 at 08:30 AM.
PaulamI is offline  
post #13423 of 13549 Old 12-14-2015, 04:37 PM
AVS Special Member
 
Larry Kenney's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: San Francisco, CA
Posts: 3,078
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 360 Post(s)
Liked: 47
Quote:
Originally Posted by PaulamI View Post
Ha! I never did one, talk about putting the cart before the horse. Here it is:

http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wr...b97dac90238cfb

Much better than the 20' report. If I could get just KGO I'd be happy, a few of the ones in red would be a bonus.
I'd say that KGO is a definite "yes" if the TV Fool report is giving you an accurate reading. Using the Walnut Grove stations as a guide for what I get here, I find that any station that has a Power of -100 dBm or better I'm able to get most of the time, so that gives you quite a few good possibilities. I'd say the top 20 stations on the list are likely to come in if you use a good antenna with some gain.

Larry

My complete SF Bay Area DTV Station Lists: http://www.choisser.com/sfonair.html
Lots of Broadcasting links and information: http://www.choisser.com/broadcast.html
Live reception scans from my HD Home Run receivers: http://www.larrykenney.com/hdhr/
Photos and info on my antennas: http://www.larrykenney.com/tvantennas.html
Larry Kenney is online now  
post #13424 of 13549 Old 12-15-2015, 08:17 AM
AVS Special Member
 
Calaveras's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Mountain Ranch
Posts: 4,339
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 778 Post(s)
Liked: 188
Quote:
Originally Posted by PaulamI View Post
Ha! I never did one, talk about putting the cart before the horse. Here it is:

http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wr...b97dac90238cfb

Much better than the 20' report. If I could get just KGO I'd be happy, a few of the ones in red would be a bonus.


I clicked on KGO to see the terrain profile. In my experience when you are blocked by large mountains you can't receive any stations because there are too many multipath issues.

Here's a TV Fool report for my friend in Walnut Creek. Compare his KGO terrain profiles to yours.

http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wr...2c15df37d9f7f4

Sacramento is easy for him with a very shallow diffraction angle to Walnut Grove but he receives nothing from SF. TV Fool shows similar signal levels as yours does and at a similar distance but his SF signals are destroyed by multipath.

Now compare your terrain profile to mine. Click on KXTV.

http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wr...ec2feda3624309

I have a 2 edge path also and more than twice your distance but I have two shallow diffraction angles which allows me to receive the stations with a highly directional antenna.

My guess is that no antenna no matter how high it is will receive anything from from SF at your location. One never knows for sure until you try it but in your case the test will take extreme effort.

Chuck
Calaveras is online now  
post #13425 of 13549 Old 12-15-2015, 09:54 AM
Member
 
PaulamI's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Posts: 84
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 81 Post(s)
Liked: 12
Hmm so TV Fool isn't infallible then.

I do have an ulterior motive for getting up this tree, I'd like to try some solar panels up there too. The guy I bartered with to put the pulley up is gone for the holidays, when he gets back hopefully we can try both. It looks tome like Mt. Allison transmissions may be east enough to clear Mt. Tam.

Thanks for the replies.
PaulamI is offline  
post #13426 of 13549 Old 12-15-2015, 01:12 PM
AVS Special Member
 
Calaveras's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Mountain Ranch
Posts: 4,339
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 778 Post(s)
Liked: 188
Quote:
Originally Posted by PaulamI View Post
Hmm so TV Fool isn't infallible then.

Of course not. It can't possibly be. It can't take into account buildings, vegetation or multipath. It can't take into account fine scale terrain or how the signal is affected by the edge profile which includes vegetation. LOS is pretty easy to calculate. Issues start to appear with 1 edge paths and are compounded by 2 edge paths.

Chuck
Calaveras is online now  
post #13427 of 13549 Old 12-17-2015, 02:59 PM
AVS Special Member
 
SFischer1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Sunnyvale, CA 94087
Posts: 2,558
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 328 Post(s)
Liked: 46
Quote:
Originally Posted by PaulamI View Post
Thanks Larry, Happy Thanksgiving. I did some hiking around above my cabin hillside this week with portable antenna, no love so far.

I noticed that MGM-This channel shows some decent movies but only out of Walnut Grove or Monterrey. Be nice if a Bay Area channel picked it up.
"ThisTV" was on two stations before here in the bay area.

It first appeared on one station and then after a few months it moved to KTNC along with "Retro TV".

When I requested that program listings be added for these streams the streams were quickly turned off. The station manager discovered that his station had two streams that the station was getting no money for broadcasting them.

"Retro TV" then appeared on KAXT but "ThisTV" as you report has not reappeared. No problem as I had gotten my fill of "ThisTV.

SHF
SFischer1 is online now  
post #13428 of 13549 Old 12-17-2015, 04:02 PM
AVS Special Member
 
SFischer1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Sunnyvale, CA 94087
Posts: 2,558
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 328 Post(s)
Liked: 46
"heroes and icons" tv schedule now on GraceNote

I was asked to get "heroes and icons" program Listings added to KICU4 a few weeks ago.

The stream did not meet my criteria at the time for me to make a request.

Listings have now appeared as expected with no action on my past.

-----------------------------------------------------------------

"TMS" (Tribune Media Services) is the owner of the listing service and added that service to "Gracenote" which it had purchased.

I get my listing for $25 / Year from "Schedules Direct" using two Approved Apps "CW_EP" and "Freeguide" http://www.schedulesdirect.org/approvedsoftware

"TMS" at one time offered the free listings to reduce web page scraping which was a problem. The service was called "Zap2It" and when the free service was to end a group was set up to continue the service.

There now is a web page called "Zap2It" which is not TMS owned and pays Gracenote just like other users using Ad generated money. SD, "DirectTV"? and many cable TV services, the latter is where it gets most of the money.

So do not think that I am a Hero or Icon, I did nothing.

SHF
SFischer1 is online now  
post #13429 of 13549 Old 12-17-2015, 05:02 PM
AVS Special Member
 
Larry Kenney's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: San Francisco, CA
Posts: 3,078
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 360 Post(s)
Liked: 47
Information released today by the FCC courtesy of TV Technology:

WASHINGTON—The Federal Communications Commission today outlined provisions to accommodate low-power television and translator licencees through the incentive auction process.

The FCC said today’s Third Channel Sharing Report & Order builds on previous commission actions by:

Permitting Channel-Sharing: The Third Report & Order allows channel sharing among LPTV and TV translator stations.

Extending the Deadline for the Digital Transition: This summer the commission postponed the Sept.1, 2015 deadline for LPTV and TV translator stations to transition to digital broadcasting so that these stations will not be forced to complete their digital conversion only to find that their newly constructed digital facilities were displaced as a result of the repacking process. The Order sets a new digital transition date of 12 months after the 39-month post-incentive auction transition final deadline for full power and Class A stations (51 months after the conclusion of the incentive auction, scheduled to begin March 29, 2016).

Offering Software Assistance for Finding New Channels: Prior to opening the special displacement window for LPTV and TV translator stations, the Media Bureau will utilize the repacking and optimization software to identify new channels for displaced translator stations.

The Order was adopted unanimously on Wednesday, the day before the FCC regular meeting. The item was removed from the agenda Wednesday morning.

“The commission’s action is designed to preserve the vital services LPTV and TV translator stations provide – particularly in rural areas,” Media Bureau Chief William Lake said. “These steps, along with other actions we have taken, will help ensure the continued availability of these services following the Incentive Auction.”

The commission noted that the Spectrum Act of 2012 left non-Class A LPTVs and translators unprotected in the post-auction channel repack, but the community value of LPTVs and translators was recognized by the commission. Thus in 2014, it created a filing window to give first choice of remaining TV channels to LTPV and TV translator stations displaced in the repack.

The commission said it also determined that LPTVs and translators operating on channels allocated for wireless use may remain on those channels until they are notified that a forward-auction winner is within 120 days of commencing operations, extending the stations’ time on those channels for several years.

My complete SF Bay Area DTV Station Lists: http://www.choisser.com/sfonair.html
Lots of Broadcasting links and information: http://www.choisser.com/broadcast.html
Live reception scans from my HD Home Run receivers: http://www.larrykenney.com/hdhr/
Photos and info on my antennas: http://www.larrykenney.com/tvantennas.html
Larry Kenney is online now  
post #13430 of 13549 Old 12-18-2015, 07:41 AM
AVS Special Member
 
Calaveras's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Mountain Ranch
Posts: 4,339
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 778 Post(s)
Liked: 188
Quote:
Originally Posted by Larry Kenney View Post
Extending the Deadline for the Digital Transition: This summer the commission postponed the Sept.1, 2015 deadline for LPTV and TV translator stations to transition to digital broadcasting so that these stations will not be forced to complete their digital conversion only to find that their newly constructed digital facilities were displaced as a result of the repacking process. The Order sets a new digital transition date of 12 months after the 39-month post-incentive auction transition final deadline for full power and Class A stations (51 months after the conclusion of the incentive auction, scheduled to begin March 29, 2016).

So that means analog LPTV stations can continue to be on the air until sometime in 2020? That's an 11 year transition!

Chuck
Calaveras is online now  
post #13431 of 13549 Old 12-19-2015, 01:15 AM
AVS Special Member
 
Larry Kenney's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: San Francisco, CA
Posts: 3,078
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 360 Post(s)
Liked: 47
Yup, it seems to go on forever!

The duration of the changeover after the auction is going to be 39 months, so we'll have plenty to talk about for the next 3-1/2 years.

Larry

My complete SF Bay Area DTV Station Lists: http://www.choisser.com/sfonair.html
Lots of Broadcasting links and information: http://www.choisser.com/broadcast.html
Live reception scans from my HD Home Run receivers: http://www.larrykenney.com/hdhr/
Photos and info on my antennas: http://www.larrykenney.com/tvantennas.html
Larry Kenney is online now  
post #13432 of 13549 Old 12-19-2015, 01:38 PM
AVS Special Member
 
RayGuy's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 1,556
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 454 Post(s)
Liked: 337
Quote:
Originally Posted by SFischer1 View Post
I was asked to get "heroes and icons" program Listings added to KICU4 a few weeks ago.

The stream did not meet my criteria at the time for me to make a request.

Listings have now appeared as expected with no action on my past.

-----------------------------------------------------------------

SHF
and after almost a month of broadcasting, the H&I channel still shows a 3x3 picture, or occasionally a 4x3 picture, both stretched vertically. They provide no way to report the issue, so, as far as I'm concerned, they do not exist.

I guess nobody there cares one way of the other....waiting for the auction to make a fortune and the public be damned until then.
RayGuy is offline  
post #13433 of 13549 Old 12-19-2015, 05:15 PM
AVS Special Member
 
SFischer1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Sunnyvale, CA 94087
Posts: 2,558
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 328 Post(s)
Liked: 46
Quote:
Originally Posted by RayGuy View Post
and after almost a month of broadcasting, the H&I channel still shows a 3x3 picture, or occasionally a 4x3 picture, both stretched vertically. They provide no way to report the issue, so, as far as I'm concerned, they do not exist.

I guess nobody there cares one way of the other....waiting for the auction to make a fortune and the public be damned until then.
After using a free program called VLC Media Player:

http://www.videolan.org/vlc/download-windows.html

I have found a very small number of 16:9 programs that I cannot display in 16:9 mode on my HTPC's monitor no matter what the broadcasters have done with just a few clicks to select the right options.

I have found a very small number of 4:3 programs that I cannot display in 4:3 mode on my HTPC's monitor no matter what the broadcasters have done with just a few clicks to select the right options.

I have another program $$$ "VideoReDo TVSuite V5":

http://www.videoredo.com/en/Purchase.htm

That with a little work can generate DVD's or MPG4 files correcting the same problems and handle all the rest of the misconfigured transmissions broadcasters have sent out.

VLC I am using for 90% of my playbacks of captured programs and as I said just a few clicks allow me to view them the way they were generated in the original format.

I do have a program for use with an ATSC tuner card that shows the problems you report and there are a very few HDTV that reports have been made here that they have the problems you report if the sets are not set up correctly.

So, get out the manual for your HDTV and look for options that you might have not selected correctly.

There is another person on [HDTV-in-SFbay] that has made rants like yours and refuse to accept that he needs a newer HDTV or better defaults set up for his current set.

I now can capture H&I and I expect no unusual problems with it, should a program be scheduled that I wish to view.

SHF
SFischer1 is online now  
post #13434 of 13549 Old 12-22-2015, 12:01 PM
AVS Special Member
 
RayGuy's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 1,556
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 454 Post(s)
Liked: 337
Quote:
Originally Posted by SFischer1 View Post
After using a free program called VLC Media Player:

http://www.videolan.org/vlc/download-windows.html

I have found a very small number of 16:9 programs that I cannot display in 16:9 mode on my HTPC's monitor no matter what the broadcasters have done with just a few clicks to select the right options.

I have found a very small number of 4:3 programs that I cannot display in 4:3 mode on my HTPC's monitor no matter what the broadcasters have done with just a few clicks to select the right options.

I have another program $$$ "VideoReDo TVSuite V5":

http://www.videoredo.com/en/Purchase.htm

That with a little work can generate DVD's or MPG4 files correcting the same problems and handle all the rest of the misconfigured transmissions broadcasters have sent out.

VLC I am using for 90% of my playbacks of captured programs and as I said just a few clicks allow me to view them the way they were generated in the original format.

I do have a program for use with an ATSC tuner card that shows the problems you report and there are a very few HDTV that reports have been made here that they have the problems you report if the sets are not set up correctly.

So, get out the manual for your HDTV and look for options that you might have not selected correctly.

There is another person on [HDTV-in-SFbay] that has made rants like yours and refuse to accept that he needs a newer HDTV or better defaults set up for his current set.

I now can capture H&I and I expect no unusual problems with it, should a program be scheduled that I wish to view.

SHF
That is a fine solution for the tech-savvy, middle class (or better) folks. But, there are millions of folks who do not have access to that kind of technology, or the ability to implement it, even if they do. These folks are viewing OTA using converter boxes on their old 4x3 TVs and are stuck with the dreck these "broadcasters" put out. Even those with a newer TV in their living rooms often have older sets w/ CBs in their bedrooms, garages (me), etc....

So, I will continue to "rail" on these stations that don't seem to care about their picture (such as the GRIT/ESCAPE folks, who finally came around) and now the morons at E&I. I'm glad there is a work around available to the tech savvy, but there is no work around for the unwashed masses (I'm very often unwashed when in the garage), thus, my outrage.

Last edited by RayGuy; 12-22-2015 at 11:31 PM.
RayGuy is offline  
post #13435 of 13549 Old 12-22-2015, 11:46 PM
Member
 
kkpm's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2014
Posts: 114
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 88 Post(s)
Liked: 12
Hi Guys,

Anywave upgraded the statistical multiplexing on the One Ministries encoder / mux. I'm trying out 10 sub-channels. What do you think of KTVJ-LD 12 or KFTY-LD 45? Is the picture quality worse than previously? Anywave is additionally going to swap out the composite inputs with SDI inputs for sub channels 7, 8, 9, and 10, which should improve things further.

Blessings,
Keith
kkpm is offline  
post #13436 of 13549 Old 12-23-2015, 12:25 AM
Advanced Member
 
888CALLFCC's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Hayward, CA
Posts: 779
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 156 Post(s)
Liked: 28
Quote:
Originally Posted by kkpm View Post
Hi Guys,

Anywave upgraded the statistical multiplexing on the One Ministries encoder / mux. I'm trying out 10 sub-channels. What do you think of KTVJ-LD 12 or KFTY-LD 45? Is the picture quality worse than previously? Anywave is additionally going to swap out the composite inputs with SDI inputs for sub channels 7, 8, 9, and 10, which should improve things further.

Blessings,
Keith
All kinds of problems .... Audio problems with one channel's audio overriding all the channels.
PSIP problems .. KTVJ 12 is gone except 12-2
45-9 & 45-10 with another channel's audio.
888CALLFCC is offline  
post #13437 of 13549 Old 12-23-2015, 01:02 AM
Advanced Member
 
888CALLFCC's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Hayward, CA
Posts: 779
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 156 Post(s)
Liked: 28
Quote:
Originally Posted by kkpm View Post
Hi Guys,

Anywave upgraded the statistical multiplexing on the One Ministries encoder / mux. I'm trying out 10 sub-channels. What do you think of KTVJ-LD 12 or KFTY-LD 45? Is the picture quality worse than previously? Anywave is additionally going to swap out the composite inputs with SDI inputs for sub channels 7, 8, 9, and 10, which should improve things further.

Blessings,
Keith
Ok, things seemed fixed now, BUT
Audio is 50% lower then adjacent channels 11-2 .... so you need to constantly toggle volume when changing channels ?
888CALLFCC is offline  
post #13438 of 13549 Old 12-23-2015, 01:05 AM
AVS Special Member
 
Larry Kenney's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: San Francisco, CA
Posts: 3,078
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 360 Post(s)
Liked: 47
I sent a detailed report to Keith via email. Every one of my TV's is reacting differently here to KTVJ. One is like what Ben said with only 12-2. Another has 12-2 but also has 4-2 through 4-8, in addition to the three KRON channels. My Sony is showing a nice RF signal on channel 4, but "No Signal" on channel 12.

Here's what's showing up on the HD Home Run receiver scan:
SCANNING: 69000000 (us-bcast:4)
LOCK: 8vsb (ss=100 snq=70 seq=100)
TSID: 0x20FF
PROGRAM 1: 12.2 BHTV
PROGRAM 2: 45.2 BHTV
PROGRAM 3: 45.3 DCTV
PROGRAM 4: 45.4 VMTV
PROGRAM 5: 45.5 GodTV
PROGRAM 6: 45.6 Daystar
PROGRAM 7: 45.7 AUN
PROGRAM 8: 45.8 NBTV
PROGRAM 9: 45.9 TheWalk
PROGRAM 10: 45.10 KFTY-10

Larry

My complete SF Bay Area DTV Station Lists: http://www.choisser.com/sfonair.html
Lots of Broadcasting links and information: http://www.choisser.com/broadcast.html
Live reception scans from my HD Home Run receivers: http://www.larrykenney.com/hdhr/
Photos and info on my antennas: http://www.larrykenney.com/tvantennas.html
Larry Kenney is online now  
post #13439 of 13549 Old 12-23-2015, 01:10 AM
Advanced Member
 
888CALLFCC's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Hayward, CA
Posts: 779
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 156 Post(s)
Liked: 28
Quote:
Originally Posted by Larry Kenney View Post
I sent a detailed report to Keith via email. Every one of my TV's is reacting differently here to KTVJ. One is like what Ben said with only 12-2. Another has 12-2 but also has 4-2 through 4-8, in addition to the three KRON channels. My Sony is showing a nice RF signal on channel 4, but "No Signal" on channel 12.
Larry
I had to re-scan & re boot everything. Looks like he is working on it this very minute.

I think I'll just turn the tv off.
888CALLFCC is offline  
post #13440 of 13549 Old 12-23-2015, 01:12 AM
AVS Special Member
 
Larry Kenney's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: San Francisco, CA
Posts: 3,078
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 360 Post(s)
Liked: 47
As of 12:05 AM, the PSIP info has been corrected and things are back to normal on KTVJ, along with two new sub-channels, 12-9 and 12-10. The audio is also okay now.

The picture quality of the original 8 sub-channels I'd say was about the same as previously seen, except that 12-7 is all washed out. 12-9 looks pretty bad, and 12-10 looks the same and has the same programming as 12-5.

Larry

My complete SF Bay Area DTV Station Lists: http://www.choisser.com/sfonair.html
Lots of Broadcasting links and information: http://www.choisser.com/broadcast.html
Live reception scans from my HD Home Run receivers: http://www.larrykenney.com/hdhr/
Photos and info on my antennas: http://www.larrykenney.com/tvantennas.html
Larry Kenney is online now  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply Local HDTV Info and Reception



Forum Jump: 

Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off