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post #13951 of 15663 Old 08-01-2016, 03:32 PM
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Awhile back I was pursuing installing an antenna at the top of a redwood tree in the hopes of getting around Mt. Tamalpais at my cabin. Well I still haven't had the guts to the climb it yet, and it looks like I might not for a few reasons. One is that I've grown to somewhat enjoy the one station I get, KRCB Cotati. Kind of forced me to expand my horizons, all the way to Tokyo! Secondly and much more recently, I have found myself the benefactor or free unlimited 4G cell usage (a perk from my work), which oddly comes in perfectly through the trees. I was itching to watch a special on the History Channel on DB Cooper a couple of weeks ago, so I singed up for a free trial of Sling TV, internet streaming TV. Well it works pretty darned good, so now I'm paying $25 a month for the dozen or so channels they have. It also works at my home in Novato, so in addition to the many OTA channels I get there, I also have A&E, History, Discovery, etc.. I still prefer the old movies and shows from the OTA channels, hope they stick around. My wife though is one happy camper with the Sling stuff at the cabin.
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KPIX and KBCW are my first stations to combine.

KTVU and KICU next in line.

KCSM, KAXT and KMTP are goners.

KNTV, KGO, KQED and KOFY will remain and perhaps KKPX.

KRON likely is gone.

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The first two combinations I surely agree with. I'd add KDTV - KFSF and KNTV - KSTS as a combinations, too. In the next line, I think you might see KAXT move down to VHF to 9, 10, 11 or 13 instead of disappearing. The network stations will surely continue. I have no idea what KRON will do.

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The first two combinations I surely agree with. I'd add KDTV - KFSF and KNTV - KSTS as a combinations, too. In the next line, I think you might see KAXT move down to VHF to 9, 10, 11 or 13 instead of disappearing. The network stations will surely continue. I have no idea what KRON will do.

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I thought of KNTV after I posted. I really have no real position on the rest as I do not watch non English programs.

KAXT was reported before to have been sold to the Wireless people.

Note, I am basing my brackets on the .1 streams only.

The rest (non .1) that I watch have way too many crooked lawyer ads (Which are added by the originators of the streams. They can be replaced by local ads by the stations that carry the non .1 streams) and at least two different ads selling the "F" connector with a ~ 8 inch narrow flat blade DTV Antenna.

Remember, I got two streams off the air when I put in a request to SD / Gracenote / Zap2It / TMS for listings to be added for the streams. The Spanish sales staff sold zero English ads for the English streams and when that was reported to management they were toast.

So except for MeTV on KOFY perhaps most will disappear, perhaps to return. It is integrated with the .1 stream quite well and has the best programs.

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[quote] Originally Posted by Larry Kenney
I can't figure out how they're going to take all of the channels above 29 and make room for them on the channels below. I receive a picture on every channel except 31 from 30 to 51 here. They've got to go somewhere if they don't take the buy out.[quote]

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The amount of spectrum offered for sale is a direct reflection of the number of stations willing to take the buy-out. Since there are no impaired forward-auction blocks in San Francisco, that means enough stations offered to sell in the area to accommodate the band shrinking from 14-51 to 14-29.

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The first number to determine is the number of stations vacating their RF channel and the second number is the number of RF channels remaining.

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KRON is a station suitable for a city the size of Santa Rosa which is what it reminds me of when I spend a few seconds watching.

Remember we are talking about "For Profit" stations. If the projection for the next 10 years says they will lose money taking the cash and vacating their RF channel may be best for their business.

The stations that are "For Growth" like KQED Inc. and KRCB are not for profit but act like they need more money all the time.

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Listed in the WTFDA monthly magazine's FCC Update:

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3 K03HY Requests power increase to 3 kw, 37-45-19/122-27-06 (Mt. Sutro)
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4 KTVJ-LD Requests site change to 37-45-19/122-27-06 (Mt. Sutro, San Francisco)

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Listed in the WTFDA monthly magazine's FCC Update:

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3 K03HY Requests power increase to 3 kw, 37-45-19/122-27-06 (Mt. Sutro)
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4 KTVJ-LD Requests site change to 37-45-19/122-27-06 (Mt. Sutro, San Francisco)

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Interesting, any transmitter on Sutro is worth more should they be allowed to stay.

EDIT: And with more RF channels in the SFBay area available than expected after the repack RF 3 and RF 4 are less likely to be used. Good gamble IMHO.

But then I cannot receive KFTL VC 28 15 kw from Mt. San Bruno and I suspect any VHF below 7 may be a problem for me. KGO comes in just fine with 23.8 kw.

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The first number to determine is the number of stations vacating their RF channel and the second number is the number of RF channels remaining.
I think this is easier than people might think. The very fact that the largest amount of spectrum was offered indicates that participation was very high. So you could estimate it by taking any station that would sell for less on the open market than the FCC offered as an opening price and go from there. (Non-commercial stations are a bit different, but it should work pretty well for commercial stations, I would think.)

For example, KAXT-CD was sold (to a speculator) for something like $10 million and was offered $262 million as an opening price. I think most logical people in the same boat, even non-speculators, would jump at the chance to make even a tenth of that opening price.

I think you'll find that in a market the size of San Francisco, most of the FCC's offers were higher than the market value of the station. No surprise, really, that enough jumped in.

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Well, to counter my glumness I wonder if those stations that remain will require those streams that wish to join them to be broadcast in MPEG4.

This would allow stunning 16:9 pictures that I wish I had captured a few minutes of that as a very low data rate was needed and more other streams could be included on a transmitter.

I have attached the TSReader report again, only 10% used.

The discussion the Larry linked:

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May just be easier as there appears that some allowable RF channels will be vacant.

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In looking for the station values I found this:

As spectrum auction approaches, consider value of local service
http://current.org/2015/04/as-spectr...local-service/

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KPIX and KBCW are my first stations to combine.

KTVU and KICU next in line.

KCSM, KAXT and KMTP are goners.

KNTV, KGO, KQED and KOFY will remain and perhaps KKPX.

KRON likely is gone.


I don't know about KOFY. They have been bleeding red for years. They have a skeleton staff and cannot pay for any top notch programming. METV on the .2 regularly beats ratings on KOFY 20.1. I left KOFY (KBWB) just after the WB demise. KOFY is practically the last station in the Granite ownership group.

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KPIX and KBCW are my first stations to combine.

KTVU and KICU next in line.

KCSM, KAXT and KMTP are goners.

KNTV, KGO, KQED and KOFY will remain and perhaps KKPX.

KRON likely is gone.


I don't know about KOFY. They have been bleeding red for years. They have a skeleton staff and cannot pay for any top notch programming. METV on the .2 regularly beats ratings on KOFY 20.1. I left KOFY (KBWB) just after the WB demise. KOFY is practically the last station in the Granite ownership group.

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Well, of the non-big Four I thought KOFY was doing OK.

If many stations were just hanging on waiting for the big payout from the FCC and as Smart Phones sales are fading the wireless companies my say no to the big prices they were expected to pay for the vacated TV Channels.

Bump the National Debt up by another 1T$.


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I think we're just going to have to all wait until the auction is over and the new channel assignments are issued. All we're doing is second guessing what's going to happen. We could all be totally wrong.

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.... We could all be totally wrong.

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I hope so.
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Anyone seeing unusual reception conditions? With the return of the strong marine layer the last couple days reception has been very bad here. Very strong inversions have been causing this. I've had long periods of no reception even in the middle of the day of the Walnut Grove stations. Sutro has been out but I saw a period of strong signals from San Bruno. Yesterday it was as much as 10 degrees warmer up here than at some valley locations and this morning Sacramento was reporting 55 degrees and stratus while it 70 degrees and clear (except for smoke) at my place. Thee's been little in the way of enhanced conditions, mostly degraded conditions.

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Reception has been fine down in the Evergreen Area of San Jose. We usually don't experience any problems, regardless of environmental conditions.
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I haven't noticed any big changes here. The stations from Walnut Grove are coming in at their "normal" level which is what I use to judge conditions.

Signals from WG vary by a few dB all the time, and the ones from the South Bay vary a little, but I haven't seen any extreme strength changes in quite some time.

We do have a very thick and extensive fog bank here now. We never saw the sun here in SF yesterday, and it looks dismal again this morning with enough drizzle to make puddles in my garden.

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JUST WONDERING --

I wonder how many viewers even notice something like this. KFTL channel 28 has not been transmitting any PSIP information for about two weeks and KMMC channel 40 has been missing their PSIP information for several months.

A couple of my TV tuners do not produce a picture without the PSIP information, while a couple do. No PSIP means a lot of people aren't receiving the station. Since 28.1 - 28.15 is the same, both RF and virtual, so it makes no difference, but 40 transmits on 40.3, so people have to tune to 40.3 to receive anything. They aren't missing much. The station has been transmitting color bars for the past week or so. Don't these low power stations have the means to fix their problems... or don't they know that they're having problems?

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I wonder how many viewers even notice something like this. KFTL channel 28 has not been transmitting any PSIP information for about two weeks and KMMC channel 40 has been missing their PSIP information for several months.
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on 08-02-2016 I reported that I could not receive KFTL, I now can. Back then I thought it strange that my new Sony had the VC channel numbers but produced no picture. It must have captured the PSIP before. The color bars on VC 40.3 look great.

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The station has been transmitting color bars for the past week or so. Don't these low power stations have the means to fix their problems... or don't they know that they're having problems?

I don't think anyone monitors these stations. The times that I've been able to contact someone about problems they were unaware there was a problem. Half the time you can't even contact someone. Most recently I never heard back from KAHC.

I still say that LPTV is the wild west of broadcast TV, rules are in place but lawlessness prevails because the FCC doesn't enforce the rules. The old analog channel 22 transmitter is still on the air from Sacramento transmitting nothing for years. My complaint to the FCC was ignored.

I think the repack will force a much needed LPTV housecleaning.

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This has nothing to do with present-day OTA, but you should check out this “10328x7760 - 10K Timelapse Demo” by SCIENTIFANTASTIC on Vimeo.

You need a large computer screen or TV to see it in all its beauty.


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Edit: I can't see why it's posting twice, but the top one is the one to watch. Click on "vimeo", lower right of top image, to watch it in full screen.
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Very cool on my 5K iMac screen.

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When stations like KTVU channel 2, a FOX affiliate, and presenter of the Movies! channel in beautiful stretch-o-vision (and don't seem to care, even when the issue and the fix is pointed out to them), how can small channels be expected to care, let alone fix it?

It's all pretty pathetic.
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Flash update, "Flash" is Toast

I have been reading a long thread about YouTube, Chrome and the End (To many not soon enough) of Flash.
http://www.avsforum.com/forum/43-for...ast-while.html Read backward from the end.

I have tried to find my original post of this video but I have been unsuccessful so far.

So here it is again, hopefully everyone can view it. If you see a Black Square or the video does not play please PM me. That thread is hard to find out what works, if you see "youtu.be" I understand you are good to go on any device or browser.


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So where is the "Share" link? I keep looking for it. I right clicked and selected Copy video URL, saw the "be" and gambled.

Click the Share link below the video display box and the available use choices will display,
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I have tried to find my original post of this video but I have been unsuccessful so far.

So here it is again, hopefully everyone can view it. If you see a Black Square or the video does not play please PM me. That thread is hard to find out what works, if you see "youtu.be" I understand you are good to go on any device or browser.

https://youtu.be/oZ4p6fcNlEM

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When was that video originally posted? I recognize most of the people who are in it, of course, having worked there, but they have everyone from the early morning crew to the late night crew there and had every seat in the news room filled. Amazing! The last time I saw that many people in the ABC7 news room was after the '89 quake.

I thought the video was well done. I wonder how many takes it took to get it right?

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When was that video originally posted? I recognize most of the people who are in it, of course, having worked there, but they have everyone from the early morning crew to the late night crew there and had every seat in the news room filled. Amazing! The last time I saw that many people in the ABC7 news room was after the '89 quake.

I thought the video was well done. I wonder how many takes it took to get it right?

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It was shown once in the KGODT-130926-1725-NFL Football-San Francisco 49ers at St. Louis Rams game and a few times before. (09/26/2013)

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KGO Newsroom 2013 promo for Thursday 49'ers Game

So I posted it here on or about that date. A very long time after it was shown.

San Francisco, CA - OTA

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KFMS-LD Saga or LPTV Hopscotch

KFMS-LD is a DTV America station licensed to the City of Keyes which is a little south of Modesto. I've seen some applications for Construction Permits and Licenses to Cover filed with and granted by the FCC. I became curious about this station because I've not seen it on the air, not even a trace of it on my spectrum analyzer. Turns out it has quite a little story over the past 9 months. Here's their story:

11/23/2015 - FCC grants a Construction Permit to DTV America for KFMS on channel 47 for 6KW in Turlock with the City of License as Keyes. The exact location of the tower is 37 29 26.8 N, 120 52 27 W. Google Earth street view shows a tower with many antennas on it in this location.

2/23/2016 - FCC grants a License to Cover for KFMS. No trace of KFMS on RF 47. All I see if KTLN.

3/8/2016 - FCC grants a Construction Permit to DTV America for KFMS on channel 47 for 8KW. The location is on Escalon-Bellota Rd a little south of Farmington. Google Earth street view shows an empty lot in the middle of orchards but newer satellite imagery shows a new house built on the lot. No tower is visible. The exact location of the "tower" is 37 54 49 N, 121 00 01 W.

6/3/2016 - FCC grants a License to Cover for KFMS. No trace of KFMS on RF 47. All I see if KTLN. No surprise since there appears to be no tower there.

6/16/2016 - FCC grants a Construction Permit to DTV America for KFMS on channel 47 for 6KW. The location is on Alta Mesa Rd at Madi Ln. I can't tell what the city is. The location is about 5 miles east of Hwy 99 halfway between Lodi and Elk Grove. This is a rural farming area with no buildings at the intersection. No tower is in sight on Google Earth street view. The exact location is 38 17 5.7 N, 121 13 35 W.

8/3/2016 - FCC grants a License to Cover for KFMS. No trace of KFMS on RF 47. All I see if KTLN. No surprise since there appears to be no tower there.

8/17/2016 - FCC grants a Construction Permit to DTV America for KFMS on channel 47 for 15KW. When I looked up this location I found that it is the same location/tower in Sacramento as KAHC on channel 45 which is actually on the air. The proposed antenna pattern is exactly the same as the one in use by KAHC.

I expect to see a License to Cover filed for this incarnation of KFMS in the near future. I will be able to see if it's actually on the air since KAHC is so strong here and KFMS will be only 2 channels away.

There must be some financial incentive for DTV America to hopscotch KFMS from Turlock to Sacramento. I have no idea what it is. Maybe someone can enlighten me. LPTV is not part of the auction. Channel 47 is guaranteed to be gone in a couple of years. Why go to all this trouble?

And why lie to the FCC on 3 occasions with License to Cover filings for non-existent stations?

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KFMS-LD is a DTV America station licensed to the City of Keyes which is a little south of Modesto.
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Question KNTV Channel 11.1 SFBA breaking up again

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NBC Ch. 11.1 KNTV is breaking up (audio and video) very 10 seconds to once a minute. Has this been reported? Have you done your wizard testing? (Maybe it's my setup).
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NBC Ch. 11.1 KNTV is breaking up (audio and video) very 10 seconds to once a minute. Has this been reported? Have you done your wizard testing? (Maybe it's my setup).
Hmm, I'm watching 11.1 now (6:50pm) and is looks good. No problems.
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Hmm, I'm watching 11.1 now (6:50pm) and is looks good. No problems.


Thanks, Otto. How long have you been watching it today?

It stopped 15 minutes ago, but then one hiccup at 6:58PM and at 7:16:40 and 7:17:15

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